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just get better and better

他们变得越来越好，

and better so but you mentioned the word

所以但你提到了排毒这个词

detox and that's the

，这

you know the term that's been used in

就是你知道的那个词 在

this community to describe what's going

这个社区中 sed 来

on with this

描述这种

sliding backwards originally a little

向后滑动的情况 最初

bit of opposed to that term it kind of

有点反对该术语

sounds like a lame kind of cop out oh

听起来像是一种蹩脚的警察 哦，

this is just detox and you know we'll

这只是排毒，你知道我们将

have to put up with it

不得不忍受它

but it's actually proving out so what

但事实证明，

what happens is when people take on the

当人们开始节食时会发生什么

diet they go on a low vitamin a diet

他们会吃低维生素

uh you know they start experiencing good

呃你知道他们开始体验良好的

health start sliding backwards and

健康 开始倒退

what's happening

正在发生的事情

is their vitamin a serum levels are

是他们的维生素 血清水平

actually increasing sometimes quite

实际上有时会

dramatically

急剧增加

so you know with about 30 percent of the

所以你知道大约 30% 的

north american population have fatty

北美人口患有脂肪

liver

肝，

disease as you take this on and you're

当你接受这个时，你

not storing vitamin a into your liver

不再将维生素 A 储存到你的肝脏中

anymore

，

the liver is starting to detoxify itself

肝脏开始自我解毒

and kind of normalize but in doing so

并恢复正常，但这样

it's dumping vitamin a back into serum

做是在倾倒 维生素 a 回到血清中

and that is toxic

，那是有毒的，

it's actually one of the most toxic

它实际上是维生素 a 毒性最大的

forms of vitamin a so i mentioned you

形式之一，所以我提到你

know retinoic acid so kind of the second

知道视黄酸，所以

most toxic form

第二种毒性最大的形式

is what's called vitamin a palmitate the

是 w 维生素 a 棕榈酸酯是

storage form in the liver

肝脏中的储存形式，

so the liver starts kind of dumping that

因此肝脏开始将其倾倒

back into serum and then you start

回血清中，然后您开始

feeling really crappy because now

感觉非常糟糕，因为现在

you're actually internally poisoning

您实际上是在内部中毒

yourself and so the trick is you know

，所以诀窍是您知道

how do we get this

我们是如何得到这个的

out of circulation faster and safer so

血液循环更快更安全所以

how do you do that then

你怎么做那么

i mean do you not fully remove the

我的意思是你没有完全去除

vitamin d i mean how do you

维生素 di 意思是你怎么

that's that's a really good question and

做这是一个非常好的问题

we when i say we

我们当我说我们

um you know myself i don't know i'm kind

嗯你知道我自己我不知道我 我

of hoping that we can kind of

有点希望我们能

gravitate towards that understanding

倾向于这种理解

there's a whole bunch of people kind of

有一大群

you know personally experimenting with

你认识的人亲自试验过

this so dietary fiber

这个所以膳食

is probably quite important dietary fat

纤维可能是非常重要的膳食脂肪

you mentioned dietary fat i think if you

你提到的膳食脂肪我想如果你的

had a really high fat content

脂肪含量真的很高

in your diet would be fantastic because

在你的饮食中会很棒，因为

that would help for you know

这会帮助你知道

increase bile flow so the vitamin a

增加胆汁流量，所以

that's coming out of the liver is

从肝脏出来的维生素 a 被

getting

excreted into bile the bile comes into

排泄到胆汁中，胆汁进入

your

你的

intestine and unfortunately like

肠道 不幸的

something like 85 or 90

是，像

of the vitamin a that's in that bile

胆汁中的 85 或 90 维生素 a 之类的东西

gets reabsorbed and so

会被重新吸收，所以

that is the you know the dangerous uh

这就是你知道危险的呃

situation and spot for it

情况并发现它

so if you have adequate dietary fiber

所以如果你有足够的膳食纤维也许你会摄入

maybe adequate dietary fat

足够的膳食脂肪

you're going to expel a lot of that

排出很多，

rather than having come

而不是

back into circulation yeah yeah that

重新进入循环 是的 是的，这

makes sense because but

是有道理的，因为但

most of our bile is reabsorbed just

我们的大部分胆汁都被重新吸收，只是

because it's so expensive to make within

因为在体内制造成本太高，

the body so it makes a lot of sense

所以很有意义

so dietary salt very important you do

所以饮食中的盐非常重要，你

not want to compromise your

不要 想要损害

your bioproduction bioflow oh yeah i

您的生物生产生物流 哦，是的，我

agree

同意

it's interesting i mean there's so many

这很有趣，我的意思

like avenues that people focus in on and

是人们关注的途径太多了，就像人们关注草酸盐

it's like the oxel the community that's

的 oxel 社区一样，

into the oxalates

you notice these symptoms and it's like

您会注意到这些症状，就像

how do you reduce it without poisoning

如何在不中毒的情况下减少它

yourself

你

and poisoning some of the cells that can

自己中毒一些细胞，然后这些细胞

then never regenerate type of thing

永远不会再生类型的东西

and then even in this vitamin a i think

，然后即使在这种维生素中，我认为

there are people that

有些人

try carnivore and they feel great and

尝试食肉动物，他们 感觉很好，

then all of a sudden like you said they

然后突然像你说的那样他们

start regressing and i wonder if it's

开始倒退，我想

you know this is not that everyone has

知道是不是你知道这不是每个人都

to try this but that you know there is a

必须尝试这个，而是你知道社区有

big push for eating organ meats in the

很大的推动力来吃器官肉

community yeah

是的，

if i can if i can interrupt you and and

如果我可以的话 如果我可以打断你并且

you know ask you

你知道问你

um no to do your own research here

不在这里做你自己的研究，

because

因为

i see the carnivore diet as a huge

我认为食肉动物饮食是一个巨大的

opportunity

机会，

i think it is such a great fantastic

我认为这是一个非常棒的

natural experiment that's going on

自然实验，正在进行中，

because we have people that have

因为我们有人

basically taken on kind of the ultimate

基本上已经 关于终极

elimination diet you know

消除饮食，你

and it's primarily one food and we've

知道它主要是一种食物，我们

actually got two camps in that carnivore

实际上在那个食肉动物社区有两个

uh

community we've got the camp that is

营地，我们有一个

eating you know mussel meat and maybe

吃你知道贻贝肉的营地，

maybe some eggs and stuff and then we've

也许还有一些鸡蛋之类的东西，然后我们 “

got the camp that's eating mussel meat

有一个吃贻贝肉

and organs and you know liver kidneys

和器官的营地，你知道肝肾

let's say livers

让我们说

both of those would be toxic so if you

这两种肝脏都是有毒的所以如果你

can and you know i'd love for you to do

可以，你知道我很乐意让你这样做

this

is you know pull the community find you

是你知道拉社区找到你

know get that group of people that are

知道的 得到 那群

purely muscle meat carnivores and see

纯粹是肉食肉食动物的人，

how they're doing

看看他们是怎么做

and the group in the community that's

的，而社区中的那群人，他们是

muscle meat plus the organ meats

肌肉肉加上器官肉

and see how they're doing and i'll tell

，看看他们是怎么做的，我会告诉

you what i think is the

你我认为是

one of the important biomarkers for

其中之一 重要的生物标志物，用于

looking at how they're doing

观察它们的表现

and that's the ldl cholesterols so

，那就是 ldl 胆固醇，

the ldl cholesterol is actually a

因此 ldl 胆固醇实际上是维生素 a 的

carrier

载体

lipid for vitamin a so as your vitamin a

脂质，因此当

storage goes up in your liver your ldl

您的肝脏中的维生素 a 储存量增加时，您的 ldl

levels are going to be going up

水平将会上升，

so there's been this great debate in the

所以有 在

cardiovascular community about

心血管界进行了一场关于

you know the pros and cons of the um you

你知道的利弊的辩论 你知道 嗯 你

know the significance of ldl cholesterol

知道 ldl

there's people saying yes it's important

胆固醇的重要性 有人说是的 这很重要

people say no it's not important

人们说不 这并不重要

but actually is but it's not the ldl

但实际上很重要 但它不是 ldl

cholesterol particle itself it's what's

胆固醇颗粒本身它是什么

inside the ldl particle

在低密度脂蛋白颗粒内

and that is vitamin a so my prediction

，那是维生素 a 所以我的预测

is

是

what you'll see if you can survey the

如果你能调查社区你会看到

community your community

你的社区

is the people that are on the pure

是纯

muscle meat carnivore diet

肌肉肉食肉食的人

their ldl levels will have gone down

他们的低密度脂蛋白水平会下降，

whereas those

而

that are on muscle meat plus liver

那些吃肌肉肉和

uh their ldl levels will have gone up

肝脏的人的低密度脂蛋白水平会上升

and we're actually seeing that people

，我们实际上看到人们

are sharing their

their cholesterol numbers on our form

在我们的表格上分享他们的胆固醇数字，

we're you know we're definitely seeing

你知道我们肯定 看到

people reducing

人们降低

their their cholesterol levels

他们的胆固醇水平，

specifically the aldol cholesterol

特别是羟醛胆固醇的

number

数量

being on a low vitamin a diet love to

是低维生素饮食喜欢

get that data

获得

that's so interesting well it's you know

如此有趣的数据你

what the problem is

知道问题是什么

and you're absolutely right there's two

，你绝对正确有两个

different caps

不同的上限

the issue that i'm seeing though is that

我的问题 我看到的是，

you know with all the supplementation

你知道所有的补充剂，

these like

就像

other kind of alternative ways to get us

其他让我们吃肝脏的替代方法一样，

to be eating liver

i think more and more of the community

我认为越来越多的社区

is now taking it even though they're not

现在正在服用它，即使他们

you know consuming it in the food form

不知道在食物中食用它 形式

yeah i understand

是的，我理解

and so i wonder i don't know i'm just

，所以我想知道我不知道我

trying to think of even people in the

只是想想想

community i know but i don't know how

我认识的社区中的人，但我不知道有

many people

多少人

don't touch liver i think there's a

不接触肝脏我认为有一个

smaller few but i don't think it's

sma 很少，但我认为这

a whole lot yeah so it this is going to

不是很多，是的，所以这将

be tragic because i'll make a prediction

是悲惨的，因为我会做出一个预测

that this will if someone doesn't kind

，如果有人不对此

of zero in on this and

持零看法，

and understand that there's this

并且理解存在这种

distinction uh the carnivore community

区别，呃 食肉动物

is going to

社区将会

implode because oh it's already yeah

崩溃，因为哦，它已经是了，

because what's going to happen is so

因为将要发生的事情是

many people are going to get sick

很多人会生病

and it's it's going to be severe and

，而且情况会很严重

it's um and

，嗯，

that's why i wanted you on i mean as

这就是为什么我想让你加入我的意思

much as you know i'm a big fan of butter

和你知道的一样 我是黄油的忠实粉丝，

i think chicken liver pate because

我认为鸡肝酱是因为

chicken liver actually has a little less

鸡肝的

vitamin a than beef liver does so i've

维生素 a 实际上比牛肝少一点，所以我

been a fan of that but

一直是黄油的粉丝，但

it still does have a lot of vitamin a so

它仍然含有很多维生素 a 所以

yeah um and i've always been on the

是的，嗯和 我一直

fence about cod liver oil

对鱼肝油持怀疑态度，

but i just wanted you on because in case

但我只是想让你吃，因为以防

someone in the community is not feeling

万一社区中的某个人感觉

as well as they used to be maybe it's

不像过去那样好，也许

not the hormones

不是荷尔蒙，

maybe it's not their thyroid maybe it's

也许不是他们的甲状腺，也许

actually vitamin a it's just a different

实际上是维生素 a 这只是一个不同的

avenue that people can kind of look into

途径，人们 c 一种

for sure but butter is still pretty high

肯定的调查，但黄油仍然相当高

i mean just when i was looking at the

我的意思是，当我查看

data it looks like butter has

数据时，它看起来像黄油

a pretty good amount of vitamin a yeah

含有相当多的维生素 a 是的

um and so

，所以

for people that are just eating muscle

对于那些只吃

meat but adding a lot of uh butter

肌肉但添加了 很多呃黄油

that could still increase their vitamin

仍然可以增加他们的维生素

a right or no it

a

yeah it could still kind of you know

是的它仍然可以让你知道到目前为止

it's an order of magnitude less than

它比肝脏低一个数量级

liver by far and so

所以

you know yeah i personally i'm not going

你知道是的我个人我

to eat butter and a lot of people in my

不会吃黄油和 很多像我这样的人

form have tried butter and had a bad

都尝试过黄油并且对它有不好的

reaction to it so they you know

反应所以他们你知道

very few people are actually consuming

很少有人真正食用

butter that i know of i think butter

我所知道的黄油我认为黄油

should be off the menu

应该从菜单上删除

that's my personal opinion okay

这是我个人的意见好吧

i wonder how the makeup of a lot of our

我想知道 我们的很多

homogenized pasteurized butters and

均质巴氏杀菌黄油和

dairies have the added vitamin a but i

乳制品都添加了维生素 a，但我

wonder what

想知道是

what the and i haven't done this

什么，我实际上还没有做过这项

research actually but i wonder what the

研究，但我想知道

composition of raw butter looks like is

生黄油的成分是什么样的，

it still that high in vitamin a

它的维生素含量仍然很高

i suspect it wouldn't be it's going to

吗？ 瓦 它不会

be seasonal so

是季节性的，所以

you know summer that you know butter

你知道夏天，你

that's made in the summer is going to be

知道夏天制作的黄油会

higher because you know

更高，因为你

the cattle are eating grass i'd be far

知道牛在吃草

less concerned about that if you could

，如果你能

find a natural

找到一种天然的，我就不会那么担心了

farm source of butter that would be you

know kind of the safest if you really

如果你真的

kind of

determined to get butter in your diet a

决定在你的饮食中加入黄油，那么农场的黄油来源是最安全的

lot of my community members and the

。我的很多社区成员和与

clients i work with they do

我一起工作的客户

better so they sleep better through the

做得更好，所以

night when they add fat and a lot of

当他们添加时，他们整晚都睡得更好 脂肪，很多

times

时候

like they don't like eating the tallow

他们不喜欢吃牛油

or the suet because it just tastes too

或羊脂，因为它尝起来太有

rubbery

弹性了

and so then they opt for butter but you

，所以他们选择黄油，但你

know maybe there's another alternative i

知道也许还有另一种选择，

do like olive oil because it tends to

我喜欢橄榄油，因为它往往会

lower your ldl

降低你的低密度脂蛋白

but i but olive oil also tends to be cut

但是我但是橄榄油也倾向于

with a lot of seed oil so

用大量的种子油切开所以

yeah unfortunately that's true yeah yeah

是的，不幸的是，这是真的，是的，

it's tough okay so yeah i think it's a

这很难，所以是的，我认为这是一个

you know i think this conversation is

你知道的，我认为这次谈话

just really important because

非常重要，因为

we do talk a lot about nose to tail and

我们确实谈论了很多关于鼻子的事情 尾巴并

eating everything in the animal and i

吃掉动物的所有东西，我

think it's

认为这

good but we don't live in the

很好，但我们并不生活在

yesteryears where

过去，

there was one organ for the whole tribe

整个部落只有一个器官

and maybe they got it

，也许他们

once every month or so right yeah yeah

每个月左右得到一次，是的，是的，

liver and so i always recommend to my

肝脏，所以我总是推荐 对我的

clients

客户

um even when i did my nutritional

嗯，即使在我进行营养研究时，

research i just saw that vitamin a and

我也看到器官肉中的维生素 a

copper really high in organ meats and so

和铜含量非常高，所以

i've kind of took a step back and said

我有点退后一步

maybe you should just have at most like

说也许你最多应该吃

four to six ounces a week and

四到六盎司 一周，

it sounds like even that's a lot but you

听起来好像很多，但你

know the like these other

知道像

people that you've mentioned they say

你提到的其他人一样，他们说

there's no limit and you shouldn't be

没有限制，你不应该

scared of

害怕

you know cod liver oil you shouldn't be

你知道鱼肝油你不应该

scared of vitamin a toxicity it doesn't

害怕维生素a毒性 它并不

really exist um

真的存在，嗯，

yeah yeah it's uh you know it kind of

是的，是的，嗯，你知道这

maybe to help put it into perspective i

可能有助于正确

guess on on timing so

看待时间，所以

you know the big factor here is time you

你知道这里的重要因素是时间，你

know this is

知道这是

decades of time and so uh one woman

几十年的时间，所以呃一个女人

um kind of last year sent me an email

嗯 去年给我发了一封电子邮件

and she said she was eating liver every

，她说 她每天都在吃肝脏，

day for i think she said

因为我想她说

20 years i kind of have a hard time

20 年来我有点

believing that but let's let's take it

难以相信，但让我们

at face value and say she was and then

从表面上看，说她是，然后

she said well she's horribly sick and

她说她病得很厉害，而且

she's got all kinds of autoimmune

她患有各种自身免疫性

diseases and

疾病

um you know whatever leslie with that

嗯，你知道 leslie 有什么用，

so it kind of gives you an indication

所以它给你一个指示

how long you could get away with eating

，你可以多久吃一次

liver uh you know on a regular basis and

肝脏，嗯，你知道定期吃肝脏，

not kind of feel the side effects of it

不会感觉到它的副作用，

so yeah it is tricky um well

所以是的，这很棘手，嗯，

i did a hair mineral test on and

我 做了头发矿物质测试，

obviously they don't show vitamin a but

显然它们没有显示维生素 a 但

i did a hair mineral test on one lady

我对一位每天吃肝脏类型食物的女士进行了头发矿物质测试，

that was eating

a liver type of food every day she just

她刚

started incorporating because you know

开始加入，因为你知道

we here in the carnivore community

我们在食肉动物社区的

organ meats and it's true organ meats

器官肉 器官肉

have a lot of nutrition

确实有很多营养，

but there's can be side effects of the

但过量可能会产生副作用

excess right and so right

，所以

when we did her blood her hair mineral

当我们给她抽血时 她的头发矿物质

test her

测试 她的

copper was through the roof okay i was

铜通过屋顶 好吧 我

like you need to

就像你需要

stop and she just was and she came to me

停下来 她只是 她来找我

because she's just stopped feeling well

是因为

when

当

you know she was starting to eat uh

你知道她开始

variety on the carnivore diet it's

在食肉动物饮食中吃各种各样的食物时，她就感觉不舒服了，

especially organ meats

尤其是器官肉，

right i told her to cut the um no liver

对，我告诉她要切掉嗯没有肝脏的

whatsoever not chicken not beef

任何东西，不是鸡肉不是牛肉

and um yeah i mean i think she started

，嗯，是的，我的意思是我 认为她开始

feeling a little bit better but

感觉好一点但

you know we didn't get it tested again

你知道我们还没有再次进行测试

yet so right

所以

i think yeah one of the failings of you

我认为是的你的失败之一你

know kind of the analysis

知道

with you know eating liver specifically

分析你知道特别吃肝脏

so the liver is the detoxification or

所以肝脏是解毒或

organ of an animal so

器官 一种动物，所以

you know and the people on the carnivore

你知道，食肉动物饮食的人们会

diet kind of vilified plants and saying

诋毁植物，并说

all these plants are full of toxins

所有这些植物都充满了毒素，

we're not going to eat them but

我们不会吃它们，但

you know a cow out grazing grass in the

你知道，一头在地里吃草的母牛

field is going to be

会

ingesting a bunch of plant toxins and

摄入 一堆植物毒素

those plant toxins are going to

那些植物毒素会

accumulate in that

在

liver and so by us eating that we're

肝脏中积聚 所以通过我们吃东西 我们

getting you know

让你知道

big dose of plant toxins and so it's so

大剂量的植物毒素 所以

ironic that people are you know taking

讽刺的是你认识的人们正在

on the carnivore diet to eliminate

接受食肉动物 d 即消除

plants but yet they're ingesting the

植物，但它们通过肝脏摄取

worst part of it

最糟糕的部分，

through the liver uh you know and that

嗯，你知道，这

is interesting

很有趣，

i mean so i've done research with

我的意思是，所以我已经对草甘膦进行了研究，

glyphosate and okay

the it's it's not as dangerous as eating

好吧，它不如吃植物那么危险，

the plants specifically because

因为

um there are amino acids that could

嗯 有氨基酸可以

protect you from the animal meat so in

保护你免受动物肉的伤害，所以从

that sense

这个意义上说，

but you're right like the liver itself

但你是对的，就像肝脏本身

will have

会

um toxins stored so and that makes sense

储存一些毒素，所以这是有道理的

and i'm sure i'm gonna make my kids so

，我相信我会让我的孩子们很

happy by never having them eat liver but

开心 从来没有让他们吃肝脏，但

um yeah i think it's just something to

嗯，是的，我认为这只是需要考虑的事情，

consider and

i i did a blog post not too long ago

不久前我写了一篇博客文章

where my kind of over

，

all analysis of the carnivore diet if

如果

you want to do it long term considering

你想长期考虑

minerals

矿物质，

i mean magnesium is just low in beef so

我对食肉动物饮食的全面分析我的意思是镁是 只是牛肉含量低，所以

i think eating a variety

我认为吃多种食物

and it doesn't have to include organs

，它不必包括器官，

like if you eat

比如你吃

some seafood and um some beef and

一些海鲜，嗯一些牛肉、

chicken and pork and just having a

鸡肉和猪肉，而且

variety can possibly give you a better

种类繁多可能比只吃 mu 给你更好的

nutrient profile than just eating mussel

营养成分 塞尔

meat

肉

or just eating beef plus beef liver and

或只吃牛肉加牛肝和

other oils yeah

其他油是的

that was the research i did and it that

，这就是我所做的研究，

one's really easy i mean just

这真的很

pull out all the nutritional information

right different foods and then look at

the daily values it was super simple

but we don't talk about a lot of this

简单 不要谈论很多这样的

stuff and i think you know we revered

东西，我想你知道我们崇敬

this whole

这一切，

you know eating nose detail so i think

你知道吃鼻子的细节，所以我认为

it's important to talk about this

谈论这个很重要

oh yeah um yeah i may just actually do a

哦，是的，是的，我可能只是做一个

survey i may

调查我可能

you know i'll i can reach out to my

你知道我 我可以联系我的

community and ask

社区并询问

how many of you don't do um organ meats

你们中有多少人不做器官肉

and then what's your ldl so your

，然后你的 ldl 是什么，所以

your assumption is that ldl will be

你的假设是 ldl 会在

lower right because that was

右下方，因为那是对的，

yeah now we need to kind of be a bit

现在我们需要有点

more specific i think it'd be important

更具体地说，我认为

to survey people that are kind of

调查

one year in and beyond so this might not

一年及以后的人很重要，所以这可能不会

show up in the first

出现在第一

year let's say maybe it will but you

年让我们说可能会但你

know people that have been on the

知道那些一直在

carnivore diet for one plus years that

食肉动物饮食的人 那

would be fantastic piece of data

将是一段美妙的时光 数据

i would love to see that data okay yeah

我很想看到数据 好的

i'll take a look

我会看看

um i do notice that um and i it's normal

嗯 我确实注意到 嗯 我这是正常的

because we're all eating more saturated

因为我们都吃更多的饱和

fats but

脂肪 但

most carnivores that ldl does go up so

大多数食肉动物的 ldl 确实上升

it's just i wonder

所以我只是想

how we would measure what is high versus

知道我们是怎么做的 会衡量什么是高与

maybe it's just the

也许只是

average of the populations i don't know

人口的平均值我不知道

yeah just compare the two groups you

是的只是比较你知道的两组

know just

i always say you know take the average

我总是说你知道取

of the two two groups and and see who's

两组的平均值，看看谁

higher and who's lower

高谁低

okay yeah that'll be interesting i saw

好吧 是的，那会很有趣，我

on your uh one of your blog posts that

在你的一篇博文中看到

you donate blood so why do you do that

你献血，所以你为什么

well i i did that before i was getting

做得那么好，我在

sick and then when i got sick i was

生病之前就这样做了，然后当我生病时，我被

prevented from doing that and so once i

禁止这样做，所以有一次 我

got the green light to do it i started

得到了批准 我

doing it again

再次开始这样做

but um so my mission my personal mission

但嗯 所以我的使命

as i mentioned before was to prove that

我之前提到的个人使命是证明

vitamin is not a vitamin one of

维生素不是

my goals and proving that is you know

我的目标之一并证明你知道

here is a human that has been living

这里有一个人

without vitamin a in their diet for

他们的饮食中没有维生素 a

seven years

七年，

i'm going to go to at least 10. and

我至少要到 10 岁。

so i am getting probably a tiny little

所以我可能会

trace amount of vitamin a from the beef

从我不时吃的牛肉中获取微量的维生素 a，

i eat every now and then

uh and maybe some other sources so i'm

嗯，也许还有其他一些来源，所以

i'm

我正在

using the blood donations and the plasma

使用 献血和血浆

donations to offset that

捐赠抵消了这一点，

so okay i'm getting rid of blood and

所以好吧，我正在摆脱血液，

with that blood donations

通过献血，

you know i'm getting rid of some of my

你知道我正在摆脱我的一些

serum level of vitamin a

血清维生素 a 水平，

so that's kind of the reason and it's

这就是原因，这

just proving so

只是证明

hard and long for people to detoxify so

人们排毒是如此困难和渴望，所以

i think it's

我认为这是

beneficial and once again each person

有益的，而且每个人都

needs to kind of decide what's best for

需要再次决定什么对自己最好，

themselves

you know as we wrap up would you say

当我们结束时，你会说

that if you are feeling any of the

，如果你

symptoms that are on acne.org

感觉到痤疮的任何症状。 org

some of the ones that you mentioned

一些你

earlier that maybe they should start

之前提到的，也许他们应该

kind of lowering their

开始降低他们的

vitamin a consumption that maybe they

维生素消耗，也许他们

should just stop

应该停止

organ meats oh yeah and it's not just

器官肉哦，是的，这不仅仅是

acne.org you can go to any just

acne.org，你可以去任何只是

for vitamin a toxicity you'll get a list

为了维生素毒性你' 会得到

of the you know the symptoms

一份你认识的人的名单 症状

the reason i mentioned acne.org and

是我提到acne.org的原因，

they're they're graphic they had a

他们是图形他们有一个

really nice graphic of the human body

非常漂亮的人体图形

with you know kind of

，你知道

pointer to each you know tissue and i'll

指向每个你知道的组织的指针

and i'll link to your blog post i mean

，我会链接到你的博客文章 我的意思是

it's very thorough

说它非常彻底

so yeah i'll link that um i think yeah

所以是的我会链接那个嗯我想是

to repeat i think you know everyone

的重复我想你知道每个人都

should

应该

really seriously consider you know not

认真考虑你知道

eating uh

不吃呃

organs especially liver and kidneys and

器官尤其是肝脏和肾脏并

reducing their vitamin a if you're if

减少它们的维生素 a 如果你是如果

you're healthy and young and you know

你是 健康年轻，你知道

you don't have to worry you know it's

你不必担心你知道这

not i'm not kind of pulling the alarm

不是我不会拉

bell saying oh this is a

警报说哦这是一种

poison that's going to kill us all you

毒药会杀死我们所有人你

know your body's well equipped to deal

知道你的身体有能力

with it in certain amounts but if you

应对它 一定数量，但如果

are starting to get sick then i think it

你开始生病，那么

would be prudent to cut back on it

我认为明智的做法是减少

okay and you have to understand um this

它，你必须明白嗯，这

is kind of

for me you know kind of the clincher you

对我来说有点像你知道那种紧要关头你

know

知道

the medical textbook definition of

vitamin a activity

维生素a的医学教科书定义 活动

is stem cell differentiation and so

是干细胞分化，所以

you know the claim in the medical

你 了解医学文献中的说法，

literature without vitamin a your stem

没有维生素 a 你的干

cells are not going to differentiate

细胞不会分化

your skin is going to peel off and

你的皮肤会脱落，

you're going to go blind and you're

你会失明，你

going to die well that hasn't happened

会死得很好，这并没有发生，

but kind of buried in that definition

但有点被掩埋 在那个定义

is how does vitamin a cause stem cell

中，维生素a是如何通过诱导基因表达导致干细胞

differentiation is by inducing

分化的，

gene expressions so these gene

所以这些基因

expressions are measured by the proteins

表达是通过细胞产生的蛋白质来衡量

that a cell is generating

and there's now 500 different proteins

的，现在有500种不同的

that are attributed to vitamin a

蛋白质可归因于维生素a的

activity and so you know one of the

活性，所以你知道其中之一 我

things i was

trying to write about my first ebook was

想写的关于我的第一本电子书的内容是

this whole definition of autoimmunity

，自身免疫的整个定义

is a perfect match for vitamin toxicity

与维生素毒性完美匹配

and um

，嗯，

so you know someone's experiencing

所以你知道有人正在经历

autoimmune diseases

自身免疫性疾病，

you know fatty liver diabetes is hugely

你知道脂肪肝糖尿病在这里有很大的

implicated here

牵连，

you know there's a big tie-in with

你知道有很大的联系 对于

insulin resistance and vitamin a

胰岛素抵抗和维生素 A

toxicity

毒性，

people can look up what's called stra6

人们可以查找称为 stra6

receptor that's induced by vitamin a and

受体的物质，该受体由维生素 A 诱导，

that induces uh

并诱导呃

insulin resistance so there's a lot of

胰岛素抵抗

diseases that i think are attributable

所以我认为有很多疾病可归因

to

于

vitamin a toxicity that's great i'd love

维生素 一种毒性很大 我很想

to get

more involvement in you know more people

更多地参与你知道更多人

looking at this maybe one thing i will

在看这个也许我要提到的一件事

mention

is you know when i started this i'm just

是你知道我什么时候开始这个我只是

an engineer geologist coming into this

一位进入这个领域的工程师地质学家

field and you might think well what the

，你可能会想，

heck is an engineer doing looking at

一个工程师到底在做什么，看着

this

这口

well people should understand is an

井，人们应该明白

engineering degree is a problem-solving

工程学位是一个解决问题的

degree and for me this is just another

学位，对我来说这只是另一个

problem

问题，

but since uh you know putting out my

但因为呃你知道 在我的

ebooks and kind of the development of

电子书和

the community i've been contacted by

社区发展方面，我已经与该领域的

three different academic researchers in

三位不同学术研究人员联系过，

this field one

其中

is been looking at vitamin toxicity for

一位研究维生素毒性

about 30 years and some other

大约 30 年，另外

uh two researchers at universities

两位大学研究

they've contacted me and very supportive

人员与我联系，非常 支持

and saying you know

并说你知道

they're in general agreement with this

他们普遍同意这个

theory

理论，

so it's not just me and i don't want

所以不仅仅是我，我不希望

anyone to think you know i'm just the

任何人认为你知道我只是

sole piece of evidence there are now

唯一的证据 现在

you know hundreds of people that are

你知道数百人正在

slowly recovering their health

慢慢恢复他们的健康

academic researchers are backing this up

学术研究人员正在支持这一点

i've had some medical doctors contact me

我已经有一些医生联系我

saying they're supportive of this so

说他们支持这一点

it's not just me

所以不仅仅是我

i i think that until people open the

我认为直到人们打开

lead do their own research and make

铅做他们的 自己的研究并做出

their own decisions they can't just say

自己的决定 他们不能只是说

something is false right i mean

某些事情是错误的，对吧，我的意思是，

like you were mentioning that there was

就像你提到的那样，有

one study that then solidified that

一项研究证实了

vitamin a is this

维生素 a 就是这种

vitamin and it's you know essential in

维生素，你知道它在所有这些事情中都是必不可少的，

all these things but

the same kind of theory happened with

但都是同一种 理论上，

iodine in the other way right so they

碘以另一种方式发生了，所以他们

there was this one it starts with the w

有这个，它以 wi 开头，

i can't even remember the name but

甚至不记得名字，但那项

that study showed that uh iodine is

研究表明，呃碘

toxic for the body and it can cause

对身体有毒，它会导致

hyperthyroid and damage but

甲状腺功能亢进和损伤，但

okay actually not good information

实际上还好 也不是很好的

either so

信息所以

oh really okay you just it's really

哦，真的很好，你只是真的很

interesting that if we just were to go

有趣，如果我们只是

to the source and then really start

去源头然后真正开始

looking into studies instead of just

研究而不是

listening to people and saying oh

只听人 说哦，

maybe we have to eat oregon meat right

也许我们必须正确地吃俄勒冈州的肉，

or we have to do this and that like

或者我们必须这样做，

maybe

maybe we should do a little bit more

也许我们应该做更多的

research and just come to our own

研究，然后得出我们自己的

conclusions because

结论，因为

when someone's sick any option is

当有人生病时，任何选择

something that they're willing to try

都是他们的选择 愿意尝试

and that is something i've seen with my

，这是我在我的客户身上看到的，

clients

okay yeah and you know one other comment

好吧，你知道另一个评论

is

是

that original wolverine health study

，最初的金刚狼健康研究

that was done in 1926 we had a plan this

是在 1926 年完成的，我们今年计划

year to redo that study

scientifically at an american university

在美国大学科学地重做这项研究，

then with the outbreak of covid that's

然后与 covid 的爆发，即

that replication of that study was put

该研究的复制被

on hold

搁置，

but we hope to get back to it um you

但我们希望重新开始，嗯，

know it's going to depend on what

你知道这将取决于

happens with this pandemic but

这次大流行的情况，但

we are going to redo that study you know

我们将重做这项研究，你

so scientifically it will be done at a

知道这将是科学的 在一

university

所大学完成

and you know we'll publish the results

，你知道我们显然会公布结果，

obviously so you know this has been

所以你知道这

really helpful i think that if people

真的很有帮助我认为如果人们

are still

struggling with issues on a carnivore

仍在为食肉动物的饮食问题而苦苦挣扎，

diet maybe

也许

you know there's all these rabbit holes

你知道所有的

that people investigate they say it's

人们调查的这些兔子洞他们说这是

histamines autoimmune

组胺自身免疫，

you're not eating enough organ meats and

你没有吃足够的内脏，

you're not nutritionally

你没有营养，

um nourished or you're not eating enough

或者你没有吃足够的

protein or fats and

蛋白质或脂肪，

you know i'm even in that bandwagon of

你知道我什至在

all of those things and so

所有的潮流中 那些东西和

vitamin a can be an option right so we

维生素 a 可以是一个正确的选择，这样

can get our sources

我们就可以获得

of nutrition and other foods that don't

营养来源和其他

have a ton of vitamin a so

没有大量维生素 a 的食物，所以

and everything in nutrition the more and

营养中的所有东西

more i'm into it and

我都越来越关注它并

look into things it's i think balance is

研究这些东西 我认为平衡

really key

真的很关键

and i think that when we try to you know

，我认为当我们试图让你

mega dose on a certain thing

知道某件事的大剂量时，

it's not always a good thing not a good

这并不总是一件好事不是

thing yeah totally agree

一件好事是的完全同意

one thing i wanted to ask you before we

我在我们走之前想问你的一件事

go is um you mentioned vitamin

是你提到的 维生素

deficiency and how there would be all

缺乏症以及如何出现所有

these symptoms

这些症状

what is kind of the threshold of

你缺乏维生素 A 的阈值是多少？

you being vitamin a deficient well this

is the irony

讽刺的

is the symptoms of vitamin a deficiency

是，维生素 A 缺乏症的症状与维生素 A 毒性的

are very very close to those for vitamin

症状非常接近

a toxicity

and this is where the confusion

，这就是 混乱

originates from and this is why it's so

源于，这就是为什么

tricky

that 1926 will block and hall study

1926 年将阻止和霍尔研究

what they actually observed was vitamin

他们实际观察到的维生素

a toxicity so they ended up poisoning

a 毒性如此之大的原因，所以他们最终毒害了

their animals

他们的动物

and if we kind of fast forward to the

，如果我们快进到

1970s so part of the diet that they used

1970 年代，那么他们使用的饮食的一部分

in that study that original study was

在那项研究中，最初的研究是

they use heated casein so they heated

他们使用加热的酪蛋白，所以他们

the casing in an

在

alcohol casein is a carrier protein for

酒精中加热肠衣 酪蛋白是维生素 a 的载体蛋白

vitamin a adding the alcohol and heat

添加酒精，加热

will oxidize it into retinoic acid the

会将其氧化成视黄酸

most toxic form of vitamin a

，维生素 a 的毒性最强的形式，

so they fed this diet what they thought

所以他们喂食这种饮食 他们

was a vitamin a deficient diet to these

认为这些动物缺乏维生素

animals and they all died in 10 to 12

，它们都在 10 到 12 周内死亡

weeks

and they said oh my god we've discovered

，他们说，天哪，我们已经发现

vitamin a deficiency well no they didn't

维生素 A 缺乏症了，不，他们没有

they discovered vitamin a toxicity

发现维生素 A 的毒性，

because

因为

this was a toxic diet they fed to these

这是一种有毒物质 他们喂给这些

animals and this is hugely supported by

动物的饮食，这得到了关键科林坎贝尔的研究的极大支持，

the research done from key colin

campbell you know this

你知道这位

major advocate one of the kind of the

主要倡导者是素食运动的

godfathers of the

教父之一，

vegan movement because in the 1970s he

因为在 1970 年代，

was looking at the toxicity of casein

他研究酪蛋白的毒性

and he came to the conclusion that

，他得出结论，

casein was the most carcinogenic

酪蛋白是人类有史以来最致癌的

substance ever known to man so by

物质，因此通过

feeding casein to animals

给动物喂食酪蛋白，

they were killing their animals and

他们杀死了动物，

giving them cancer in the 1970s

并在 1970 年代使它们患上了癌症

that same heated casein was used in that

，同样加热的酪蛋白 在那项

original study so i think that's the

原始研究中使用，所以我认为这是

fundamental flaw with that study

该研究的根本缺陷，

so the symptoms of vitamin a deficiency

所以维生素 a 缺乏症的症状

are

the what you'll look and see in the

就是你在文献中看到的，

literature

is they're almost a perfect match for

它们几乎与维生素 a 毒性完美匹配，

vitamin a toxicity

so skin peeling this is vitamin a

所以皮肤剥落 维生素a

deficiency

缺乏

skin feeling blindness uh

皮肤感觉失明 嗯，

you know most commonly you know vision

你知道最常见的 你知道视力

problems neurological problems

问题 神经系统问题

so yeah it's it's a match and the reason

所以是的，这是一场比赛，这场比赛的原因

this match was because

是因为

that was the very definition of sure i'm

那是确定的定义

so new to this research too that i

我也是这项研究的新手，我

don't have um a ton to kind of counter

不知道 没有很多东西可以反驳，

but it's uh

但呃，

i think it's i think just from the

我认为这是我认为只是从

nutritional perspective

营养角度

of if you were to analyze each food and

来看，如果你要分析每种食物

their nutrition

及其营养，

i mean there is a lot of vitamin a in

我的意思是我 某些动物产品中含有大量维生素 a

certain animal products and so maybe

，所以也许

you know it's always something to

你知道它总是需要

consider i mean if the daily values are

考虑的我的意思是如果每天的数值

supposed to be at a hundred percent or

应该是 100% 或者

at least we try to reach it

至少我们试图达到它

then maybe we should consider in excess

那么也许我们应该考虑过量

it might be too much

它可能 太多了

and i think it's something to consider

，我认为这是需要考虑的，

when you know we don't

当你知道我们

care if we're not hitting daily values

不在乎我们是否没有达到其他营养素的每日价值时

for

，

other nutrients like magnesium is

比如镁是

something and potassium i think are

某种东西，

minerals that we have a hard time

钾是我们很难

achieving or hitting the 100 daily value

达到或达到 100

even vitamin c on a carnivore diet

食肉动物饮食中甚至维生素 C 的每日价值

and we say it doesn't matter but then

，我们说这无关紧要，但是

what about the excess so what if we have

如果我们摄入过多怎么

too much i mean i we don't really talk

办，我的意思是我们不会

about that in the community and i think

在社区中真正谈论这个问题，我认为

it's really bizarre actually

这真的很奇怪 实际上，

but you know i wouldn't be so concerned

但你知道我不会那么担心

you know things like vitamin c

你知道像维生素 C

it's water soluble so your body is going

这样的东西它是水溶性的，所以你的身体会

to get rid of it very fast

很快摆脱它

right the problem with you know a d e

，你知道阿德

and k

和k

they're fat soluble molecules and

它们是脂溶性分子，

they're going to accumulate

它们的问题 再去交流 累积，

so that's that's the big distinction do

所以这就是最大的区别，

you think um

你认为嗯

and you know you may not have done

，你知道你可能没有做过这方面的

research on this but do you think the

研究，但你认为

other fat soluble vitamins also

其他脂溶性维生素也

accumulate well they do now

积累得很好，他们现在做的

vitamin d is a bit tricky and i'm not

维生素 D 有点棘手，我不是

really that concerned with vitamin d

真的 关注维生素 d，

because your body produces it naturally

因为你的身体自然产生它，

so

所以

at least it's the natural vitamin that

至少它是

the body produces vitamin e

身体产生维生素 e 的天然维生素，

in some of the literature is stated to

在一些文献中说会

increase the amount of vitamin a that

增加维生素 a 的量，

goes back into circulation so you might

重新进入循环，所以你可能

want to be careful with that

要小心

vitamin k was looked at in the

维生素 K 在

literature as an antidote to vitamin a

文献中被视为维生素的解毒剂

kind of proved not to be so i'm not so

，但事实证明并非如此，所以我对此不太

sure about that

确定，

so i really haven't looked at the other

所以我真的没有

fat soluble vitamins from a toxicity

从毒性的角度研究其他脂溶性维生素。

point of view

i'm just really focused on vitamin a do

我只是真的专注于维生素 a

you supplement vitamin d

你补充维生素 d

no i don't no okay would you ever no

不，我不，不，你永远不，

okay no i don't and you know i agree but

不，我不，你知道我同意，但

i wouldn't because it's actually you

我不会，因为它实际上是你

know the form that

知道的

in the supplements typically is you know

形式 补充剂通常 你知道

a toxic form of vitamin d

维生素 d 的有毒形式吗，

which has to be metabolized but also i

它必须被代谢，而且

had my vitamin d checked in the last two

我在过去两年里检查了我的维生素 d

years and i'm i'm right up there so

，我就在那里，所以

no no concern about vitamin d do you go

不用担心维生素 d 你出去吗？

out in the sun at all

or i i don't go out a lot but i

根本不晒太阳，或者我不经常出去，但

i do um you know when i when i can i

我知道我什么时候能

guess

猜到，

originally when i was very sick with

最初我

eczema i couldn't go out in the sun for

得了湿疹，我不能出去晒太阳

more than 10 seconds and so

超过 10 秒，所以

oh wow yeah now i can go out in the sun

哦 哇，是的，现在我可以出去晒太阳了，

for you know a long time and actually

因为你知道很长时间，实际上

can once again so

可以再次出去，

it's good okay so where can people find

所以很好，所以人们可以在哪里找到

your group uh

你的团队，

more of your research uh where you know

呃更多你的研究，你

if people wanted to get in touch with

知道人们是否想与你取得联系

you

so i've got a blog it's g generous so

所以我有一个博客，它很慷慨，所以它是 ggenereux

it's g-g-e-n-e-r-e-u-x

dot blog and uh there's a discussion

dot 博客，呃，那里有一个讨论

forum there

论坛，

i've posted three free e-books that

我发布了三本免费电子书，

people can read kind of

人们

you can with kind of different themes to

可以像你一样阅读这些电子书的不同主题

those ebooks

and people can contact me through that

，人们可以 通过那个博客与我联系，

blog but i just want people to know that

但我只是想让人们知道

i am not actively you know coaching or

我并不积极，你知道教练 r

giving people advice you know i don't

给人们建议，你知道我

have the time or cycles for that that's

没有时间或周期，

that's not me

那不是我，

um so you know anyway that's where

嗯，所以你知道无论如何人们可以在那里

people can dig into more

深入研究

and on my forum there's a section called

，在我的论坛上有一个部分叫做

the science of it

它的科学

and so a lot of the studies that i

，所以很多 我提到的研究

mentioned are all referenced there

都在那里引用

in many many many more studies that are

了许多更多的研究，

there

you know people can dig into and read

你知道人们可以深入研究并阅读

okay this has been

这些研究，这

very very fascinating um thank you so

非常非常吸引人，

much for your time and um

非常感谢你的时间，嗯，

you know i hope that people you know

你知道我希望你 知道

really look into this and see you know

真的看看这个，看看你

where their kind of journey is with

知道他们的治疗旅程在哪里

healing and maybe this is an

，也许这是

avenue that they can actually use so

他们可以实际使用的途径所以

thank you again for your time

再次感谢你的时间，

great thank you thank you so much okay

非常感谢你非常感谢你好吧

see you judy bye

再见，朱迪再见

okay guys i hope you found this

好吧伙计们我 希望你觉得这次

interview helpful

采访对你有帮助

i know it's a lot of information to

我知道这是很多信息需要

process um

处理，

even for me i knew that some of the

即使对我来说我知道一些

livers had a lot of

肝脏含有大量的

vitamin a and even copper but i mean

维生素 a 甚至铜，但我的意思是

this just puts it to a whole different

这只是把它放在一个完全不同的

level so

水平，所以

if you feel any of the symptoms after

如果你 感觉任何 在

you do some research about vitamin a

您对维生素 a 进行一些研究后的症状中，

you may want to just experiment and try

您可能只想尝试并尝试

reducing some of the foods that are

减少一些

higher in vitamin a

维生素 a 含量较高的食物

and see how you feel and if you notice

，看看您的感觉，如果您

in a few months that you actually feel

在几个月后发现您实际上感觉

better

好多了，

maybe it's something that you can

也许是 你可以

actually pursue and

真正追求的东西，并且

definitely check out the research as

肯定会在

grant talks about i think he's a lot

格兰特谈到的时候查看研究，我认为他

more humble you know he's done his work

要谦虚得多，你知道他已经完成了他的工作

and he's done a lot of research and

，他做了很多研究，

he's looked into a lot of the literature

他查阅了很多文献，

so if you

所以如果你

feel that you have some of these

觉得 你有一些这样的

toxicities and now if you don't maybe

毒性，现在如果你不这样做，也许

you just

你只是

limit a little bit of the organ

限制了一点器官的

consumption i just think it makes a lot

消耗，我只是认为

of sense that

we eat the amount that maybe we would

我们吃的量可能

have

是

years ago and i don't think we were

几年前的，而我没有 认为我们

always eating ounces and ounces every

每天都在吃盎司和盎司，

single day

all right guys i hope that this was

好吧，伙计们，我希望这是

helpful um please make sure to subscribe

有帮助的，嗯，请务必订阅，

please make sure to share with those

请务必与

that may actually need this you know the

那些可能真正需要这个的人分享，您知道

drill make sure to eat a lot of meat

练习一定要吃 很多肉

take care of your bodies because it is

照顾你的身体，因为这

the only place you have to live

是你唯一必须住的地方

i will talk to you guys next week bye

我下周和你们谈谈再见

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