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30 percent of these people are turning

根据肝活检的黄金标准，其中 30% 的人发现

up to be vitamin a toxic by

维生素 a 有毒

the gold standard of a liver biopsy

probably kind of around age

可能大约在

40 or 50 that vitamin toxicity and the

40 或 50 岁左右 维生素毒性和

liver starts to accumulate

肝脏

from that research about 30 percent of

从该研究中开始积累 大约 30%

the walking population

的步行人口

is vitamin a toxic wow my opinion

是维生素 有毒哇，我的意见

is no one should ever eat liver ever

是没有人应该永远吃肝脏

and kidneys also so the liver is kind of

和肾脏，所以肝脏

the body's primary storage organ for

是人体维生素 a 的主要储存器官

vitamin a

and metabolizes it but the kidneys are

并代谢它，但肾脏也

also

catabolizing retinoic acid and and some

分解代谢视黄酸和一些

vitamin a

维生素 a

and you're absolutely right in the liver

，你是 绝对正确地在肝脏中

there's going to be a bunch of other

会有一堆其他

good nutrients and detoxification

良好的营养素和解毒

enzymes but

酶，但

i wouldn't make that trade off you know

我不会做这个权衡你知道

there would be other sources for

those nutrients if you wanted them and

如果你想要这些营养素会有其他来源，

this is not just a theory

这不仅仅是一个理论，

hey guys it's judy from nutrition with

嘿伙计们 来自

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[Music] 的营养学

judy

judy

thanks for joining me today for those of

感谢你们今天加入我，

you that don't know me my name is judy

感谢那些不认识我的人 我的名字是 judy

cho

cho

and i am a nutritional therapy

，我是一名营养治疗

practitioner i focus on root cause

师，我专注于 roo 不会

healing and often use a meat based diet

治愈，并且经常使用以肉类为基础的饮食

as an elimination diet

作为消除饮食，

okay so i am excited anxious to share

所以我很兴奋很想

this with you guys this interview

与你们分享这个采访

is so mind-blowing um

是如此令人兴奋，嗯

powerful and even you can have a little

强大，甚至你也可以有

bit of skepticism

一点怀疑

i interviewed with grant gennaro he is a

我采访了格兰特根纳罗 他是一名

researcher

研究员

he's been studying a lot about vitamin a

toxicity for the last six years and

，在过去的六年里，他一直在研究关于维生素 a 毒性的大量

really

digging into all of the research i've

研究，并深入研究了我

read his blog

阅读过他博客的所有研究

and he is very well versed in this he's

，他非常精通这方面

done

a ton of research and so you can always

的研究，因此您可以 总是

look into the study studies he cites

查看他引用的研究，

and get into his free e-books and also

并阅读他的免费电子书和

his blog posts

他的博客文章，

if you are doing a carnivore diet and

如果你正在吃肉食并且

just not feeling a hundred percent

感觉不是百分百，

i would highly recommend watching this

我强烈建议你观看

entire interview because it may give you

整个采访，因为它可能会给你

some

一些帮助

kind of tools or maybe some insight into

工具，或者对

what other avenues you can try while

你在吃以肉类为主的饮食时可以尝试的其他途径的一些见解，

eating a meat based diet

all right let's get into the

好吧，让我们进入

conversation hey guys it's judy from

对话，嘿伙计们，这是 judy

nutrition with judy and today i'm very

与 judy 的营养，今天我很

excited i have with me grant

兴奋我有 和我一起

generou so grant thank you so much for

grant generou 所以非常感谢你

joining me today if you can just kind of

今天加入我，如果你能

introduce yourself

自我介绍一下

and you know your research and power

，你知道你的研究和权力

interviewing

面试

sure um so my background is actually

肯定嗯所以我的背景实际上是

a civil engineer uh with a bit of a

一名土木工程师，呃，有点

minor in geology so

地质学

um and then kind of the second half of

嗯，然后

my career probably spent

我职业生涯的后半部分可能大部分时间都花在

um mostly in computer software and so i

了计算机软件上，所以

had

up until 2006 i really had no interest

直到 2006 年我才真正

in the health sector

对卫生部门没有兴趣，

and most certainly not the alternative

而且肯定不是替代

health sector or anything else i was

卫生部门或其他任何事情，我

just

going all along with my life then

只是全力以赴 随着我的生活，

unfortunately i got a diagnosis of

不幸的是我

chronic kidney disease in 2006

在 2006 年被诊断出慢性肾病

and so that was kind of my first um you

，所以这是我的第一次，你

know health incident if you want to call

知道健康事件，如果你想称之为健康事件

it that

and um i wasn't given a very good

，嗯，我没有得到很好的

prognosis and i you know just there's

预后，我你

nothing i could do about it so i just

我知道我对此无能为力，所以我

kind of went on with my life

只是继续我的生活

and then by about 2014 my health

，然后到 2014 年左右，我的健康

really started to deteriorate really

真的开始急剧恶化

dramatically

and i developed eczema which we call

，我

eczema in canada i'll use the eczema

患上了湿疹，在加拿大我们称之为湿疹 我会使用 eczema

american pronunciation

American 发音

so i had um you know first for the first

所以我有嗯你首先知道在最初的

few months it was kind of

几个月它有点

minor-ish you know the fingers the back

轻微 - 你知道手指在

of the hands and then i had this episode

手背然后我有这一

where it just exploded into

集它刚刚爆炸成

body-wide adult eczema and i went to my

身体 - 广泛的成人湿疹，我当然去看了我的

doctor

of course and he said there's nothing we

医生，他说我们

can do for you you don't just go home

无能为力，你不要只是

and deal with

回家处理

and that was really a great

，这

thing for him to have done because i

对他来说真的很棒，因为我

think it was the appropriate thing to do

认为这是合适的 要做一件事

one

and two it put me on the path of trying

和二件事，这让我开始试图弄清楚

to figure out

what could i possibly do to alleviate

我可以做些什么来缓解

some of these symptoms

其中一些症状，

it's a pretty horrible nasty condition

这是一种非常可怕的令人讨厌的情况，

especially when you have it

尤其是当你有它的时候，

you know severely so that you know put

你知道得非常严重，所以你知道让

me on the road of

我陷入困境

trying to investigate you know is there

尝试调查的道路 你知道

something i could do about this i never

我能做些什么 我

for even a second thought i was going to

从来没有想过

be able to cure it on my own or put it

我可以自己治愈它或

in full remission on my own i just

完全缓解我只是

thought maybe i could reduce the

想也许我可以减少

symptoms of it

它的症状

so what i did was uh it's kind of you

所以我做了什么 呃，你

know within an hour or two getting home

from my doctor

从我的医生那里在一两个小时内就知道了

i you know went on uh google and started

我你知道继续呃谷歌并开始

searching

搜索

you know what what are people saying

你知道人们对湿疹有什么看法

about

eczema and i did something what i

，我做了一些我

thought was

认为

really really straightforward and one of

非常简单的事情，其中一个

the things that kind of struck me

让我立刻感到震惊的事情

right away was you know not only the

是，你不仅知道

medical community but kind of

医学界，而且

people experiencing eczema documented

经历湿疹的人记录

that they had these trigger foods

了他们有这些触发性食物

and right away that kind of sounded a

，这

little bit suspicious to me you know the

对我来说听起来有点可疑，你知道这种

sentiment is that yes there are these

情绪是肯定的 有这些

trigger foods that can make the

触发食物可以使

condition worse but they're not

病情恶化，但它们不会

responsible for the disease

导致疾病，

they can just cause you to go into

它们只会导致你

flare-ups it's okay kind of sort of

突然发作，没关系，有点

was buying that so what i did then was i

是购买，所以我当时所做的是我

took all the

把所有的

components of the so-called trigger

所谓的触发

foods you know they would be

食物的成分，你知道它们是

milk eggs dairy

奶蛋奶

fish and some other other ones and went

鱼和其他一些，然后

to the nutritional database and got

去营养数据库

all the molecular compounds that are in

，得到这些食物中的所有分子化合物

these foods and put them into a database

oods 并将它们放入

and i did a search and said you know

数据库 我做了一个搜索 并说你

what's common about these

知道这些

foods and lo and behold vitamin a popped

食物的共同点 瞧瞧 维生素 a 突然

out as being kind of the unique

出现在所谓的触发食物中是一种独特的

common element among the so-called

常见元素

trigger foods that cause people to go

导致人们进入

into

an eczema flare-up and so from there um

湿疹突然发作，所以从那里开始，

i decided to just conduct a little

我决定进行一个小小的

personal experiment and i once again i

个人实验，我再一次

didn't expect

没

really anything to come from it i

想到会从中产生任何结果，我

thought it was kind of foolish and

认为这有点愚蠢和

ridiculous

荒谬，

so i decided to eliminate all vitamin a

所以我决定消除所有维生素

from my diet and

从我的饮食中选择

just went on a really low vitamin e diet

了一个非常低的维生素 E 饮食

for

about three weeks and in those first

大约三周，在前

three weeks kind of you know nothing

三周你知道

was getting any better nothing maybe not

什么都没有好转可能没有

really getting worse but most certainly

变得更糟，但肯定

not nothing was getting better

不是没有什么变得更好

then almost kind of overnight i

然后几乎是善良的 一夜之间

started to have some really big

improvements in my health and

，我的健康开始有了很大的改善，

unfortunately it wasn't really the

不幸的是，这并不是一个

excellent proof first

很好的证明，

it was you know joint pain chronic

首先是你知道关节疼痛慢性

fatigue

疲劳

thinking clarity so just a really

思维清晰所以只是一个真实的

dramatic

非常

kind of shazam kind of moment for um

戏剧性的 shazam 时刻让

these health conditions to start to

这些健康状况开始

uh resolve long-term health conditions

解决长期的健康状况

and so from there i

，所以从那里我

thought well you know this this is

想你知道这

really too simple but you know possibly

真的太简单了，但你知道

i'm on to something and i started

我可能正在做某事，我 开始

digging into the medical

深入

literature and research around vitamin a

研究关于维生素 A 的医学文献和研究

and kind of from

，从

there is you know how i got involved in

那里你知道我是如何参与其中的

this

i um and i saw some of your blog posts

，我看到了你的一些博客文章

and they're pretty extensive and i know

，它们非常广泛，我知道

you get into

你对

kind of the molecular structure of

vitamin a that maybe it's not even a

维生素 a 的分子结构 可能它甚至不是

vitamin so

维生素 所以

can you you know kind of explain to our

你能不能向我们的听众解释一下

audience

you know what what why you don't think

你知道为什么你不认为

it's a vitamin and

它是一种维生素

you know maybe for the layman person to

你知道也许外行人可以

just

explain your research sure

肯定地解释你的研究

yeah well this is a you know this is a

是的，这是一个你知道这是一个

very big

非常大的

research area not just for me but for

研究领域，不仅对我而且

the medical community

对医学界

i think vitamin a is probably one of the

我认为维生素 a 可能是

most widely thoroughly researched

molecules in all of medical science uh

所有医学科学中研究最广泛的

when i first got into this i did a bit

分子之一 首先进入这个，我做了

of a you know two-minute meta-analysis

一些你知道的两分钟元分析

and i just went out to pubmed

，我刚出去发表了

you know how many papers are on pubmed

你知道有多少关于维生素 ai 的论文发表

regarding vitamin a i think there's 7

500 when i searched

在我搜索的时候有 7 500

you know and actually a very trivial

你知道，实际上是一个非常微不足道的

search not a thorough surge

搜索不是彻底的激增

and there are about out of 7 500 there

，大约有

about 450

7,500 篇

on the toxicity of vitamin a so

关于维生素 a 的毒性的大约有 450 篇 所以

it's a very mixed message with vitamin a

这是一个与维生素 a 非常复杂的信息，

if you read really pretty much you know

如果你读得非常多，你知道

any research paper and vitamin a this is

任何研究论文和维生素 a

almost this obligatory

这几乎是强制性的

preamble about you know vitamin a being

序言 你知道维生素 a 是

an essential

一种必不可少的

vitamin it's needed for

维生素 它是

self-differentiation it's needed for

自我分化所必需的 它是

embryo development it's needed for you

胚胎发育所必需的 它是你

know the maintenance of

知道

skin and of course vision vision is kind

皮肤保养所必需的

of the big one and the you know the

claim is that vitamin a is saved you

你

know millions of people every year from

知道每年有数以百万计的人

from death and blindness and you know

免于死亡和失明，你

well when you uh when you really dig

知道什么时候你真的深入

into it

研究了

uh which i did was i went down the path

呃我所做的就是我走上

of trying to understand

了试图

how was this determination about vitamin

了解 w 的道路 因为这种关于维生素

a being

a 的

made that is actually a vitamin that

决定实际上是一种维生素，这

took me way back to

让我回到

the very early research in the 1920s

了 1920 年代的早期研究，

when the first

当时第一次

investigation was made regarding vitamin

调查是关于维生素

a

a 的

and there are kind of a handful of

，1920 年代有一些

studies in the 1920s

研究，

but a very small group of researchers so

但非常 一小群研究人员 所以

this is kind of a

这

bit of a cadre of people that were

有点像一群人

deliberately looking for

故意寻找

something you know they could call a

某种你知道他们可以称之为

vitamin and out of that research kind of

维生素的东西 从那种研究

the

primary paper that identified vitamin a

中 确定维生素

to be a vitamin was one by wilbeck and

a 是一种维生素的主要论文是一个 威尔贝克和

hall in 1926

霍尔在 1926 年

and my analysis of their study uh

，我对他们的研究的分析

is that that's completely botched

是，那完全是拙劣的

science is very bad science and there's

科学是非常糟糕的科学，

a lot of

complex reasons why i believe that but

我相信有很多复杂的原因，但这

that is the cornerstone study

是

that has formed the basis and the

形成

foundation of vitamin a

维生素 a 基础和基础的基石研究

theory going forward to today

理论发展到今天

and if that study is indeed

，如果这项研究确实

flawed and then i hope you know the

有缺陷，那么我希望你知道

whole

crusty foundation of this whole vitamin

这整个维生素的整个硬壳基础，

a science will

科学

will come crumbling down so that is kind

将崩溃做 wn 所以这就是

of where i'm at with it

我的情况

i've been looking at it investigating

我一直在研究

this for about six years now

它大约六年现在

six and a half years so i think i've

六年半所以我想我已经

done a pretty thorough examination of

the research

once again you know there's just tons of

再次对研究进行了非常彻底的检查，你知道 只有大量

research on vitamin a

关于维生素 a 的研究

there is no question like no question

whatsoever

in the medical research that vitamin is

在医学研究中毫无疑问维生素是

toxic there's

有毒的 有

lots of papers about the toxicity of

很多关于维生素 a 毒性的论文，

vitamin a and it's also complicated and

而且它也很复杂和

tricky

棘手，

so it's not straightforward so maybe one

所以它并不简单，

that if people are interested in looking

所以如果人们 有兴趣看

at is one in 2006

的是 2006 年

i think it's published on the national

的一篇我认为它发表在国家

journal of clinical nutrition and it was

临床营养杂志上，它被

called the acute and

称为维生素 a 的急性和

chronic toxic effects of vitamin a this

慢性毒性作用，这

is an important paper

是一篇重要的论文，

because these two authors are looking at

因为这两位作者正在从毒性方面研究

vitamin a from a toxicity point of view

维生素 a 长期的观点

chronically so maybe let me back up so

所以也许让我

in the medical research when someone

在医学研究中备份，当有人

researches the toxicity of vitamin a

研究维生素 a 的毒性时，该毒性

there's kind of two

有两种

categorizations of that toxicity one is

分类，一种是

acute and the other one's chronic

急性的 e和另一个人的

so acute toxicity of course you take a

慢性急性毒性当然你服用

large dose and get sick and you know

大剂量会生病，你知道

sometimes you die

有时你会死

so that's what is really kind of most of

所以这就是

the research prior

kind of to 2000 but there's lots of

2000年之前的大部分研究，但

awareness in the medical community about

医学界有很多认识

that

long-term uh chronic toxicity of vitamin

关于维生素 a 的长期 uh 慢性毒性

a so this is no

所以这不是

you know this is no theory there's been

你知道的 这不是理论 有

well-documented cases of people being

充分记录的案例表明人们

inadvertently poisoned to death with

vitamin a either through

通过

you know medical interventions or people

你知道的医疗干预或

taking vitamin a think

服用维生素 a

supplements because i think it's good

补充剂的人在不经意间被维生素 a 中毒致死 因为我认为这

for them or something like that so

对他们或类似的东西有好处所以

there's no doubt about

毫无疑问

vitamin a being toxic but uh so that one

维生素 a 是有毒的，但是呃，所以

paper i mentioned is is a good one for

我提到的一篇论文是一篇很好的文章，可以让

people to kind of get

人们了解

an understanding about chronic toxicity

of vitamin a

维生素 a 的慢性毒性，

uh but before that in the 1960s 50s 40s

呃但在此之前 在 1960 年代 50 年代 40 年代

kind of

chronologically going back decade by

按时间顺序回溯 十年又

decade there's been lots of studies

十年 有很多

with the toxicity of vitamin a

关于维生素毒性的

there's a really good one done at the

iowa state university

研究 owa 州立大学

i think it was done in 1960 and it was

我认为它是在 1960 年完成的，它是

the effect of hypervitaminosis

维生素

a on young pigs and this is a super well

A 对幼猪的影响，这是一项非常出色的

done study i won't go into the details

研究，我不会详细

of it but basically

介绍它，但基本上

these researches just poison young pigs

这些研究只是将幼猪

to death

with vitamin a high dose vitamin as is

毒死 维生素 一种高剂量的维生素，

actually horrific reading their research

实际上阅读他们的研究论文很可怕

paper

i mentioned some other studies in my

我在我的电子书中提到了一些其他研究，

ebooks that were done one in 2010

这些研究是在 2010 年完成的，

about the toxicity of vitamin a

关于维生素 a 棕榈酸酯的毒性，

palmitate which is a particular

这是一种特殊

type of vitamin a another one that i

类型的维生素，另一种我

think is really worthwhile for people to

认为非常值得的研究 供人们

read if they're concerned about vitamin

阅读，如果他们担心维生素

a toxicity or have any doubt about

a 的毒性或对维生素 a 的毒性有任何疑问，

vitamin a toxicity

a research paper done in norway

在挪威完成的研究论文

is called the title of the paper

被称为论文经文的标题

scriptures which is writings and it's

，即著作和

hypervitaminosis a the study

维生素 A 过多症的研究

and effect of excess vitamin a in

和过量维生素 a 的影响 在

animals i believe it was it was done in

动物中，我相信它是在挪威奥斯陆完成的

oslo norway and much like the

，就像

researchers at iowa state university

爱荷华州立大学的研究人员一样，

they are looking at the toxic dose of

他们正在研究

vitamin a in all kinds of animals they

各种维生素 a 的毒性剂量 动物他们

poison dogs and guinea pigs and chickens

毒死狗、豚鼠、鸡

and just all kinds of animals and they

和各种动物，然后

slowly poison these animals to death and

慢慢毒死这些动物，

then look for

然后寻找

you know the uh the tissue

你知道的组织

manifestations of that and the actual

表现和死亡的实际

cause of death and it's it's a

原因，这是一个

you know it's a shocking paper to read

你知道这是一个 读到令人震惊的论文，

you know those are some of the

你知道这些是你知道的一些

evidence that you know i'd give to

证据，我会告诉

people to understand that vitamin a

人们维生素 a

can be toxic of course the argument

可能有毒，当然，论点

would be

the counter argument would be well hold

是相反的论点

on it's only toxic when you get a high

，只要你得到一个 高

dose of it

剂量

but once once again kind of bring it

但再一次把它带

back to that 2006 paper i mentioned

回到我提到的那篇 2006 年的论文中

where

，

you know these researchers are saying

你知道这些研究人员在说

hold on you know this

坚持你知道这种

bio accumulates so even though it might

生物会积累，所以即使它可能

not be toxic

没有

appear to be toxic in the short term

毒性，但在短期内似乎是有毒的

over the long term it's going to

从长远来看，它会

accumulate

积累

and you're going to saturate your liver

，你会

stores with it in your other tissue

用它在你的其他组织

stores

储存中饱和你的肝脏储存

and once that happens you kind of reach

，一旦发生这种情况，你就会达到

a tipping point where

一个临界点，

now even small doses that you take

现在即使是小剂量，你也会

are going to become toxic so what's

ake 会变得有毒，所以

really tricky about vitamin a

维生素 a 的真正棘手之处

is that you can consume vitamin a for a

在于，您可以长期服用维生素 a，

very

long time like decades and decades and

例如数十年、

decades and have no

数十年和数十年，并且没有明显的

observable ill effects and then all of a

不良影响，然后

sudden kind of one day it's going to

突然有一天它会

slowly start to manifest itself

慢慢地开始表现出来，

so that's the tricky insidious nature of

所以这就是它的狡猾阴险的本质

it on the flip side you have a bunch of

，另一方面，你有一堆

research that claims that to be an

研究声称它是一种

essential vitamin i think that's

必需的维生素，我认为

that's wrong as i mentioned you know

这是错误的，因为我提到你知道

several thoughts but

几个想法，但

um one what would we even define as

我们甚至会怎么做 定义为

toxic so you know if we're just kind of

有毒，所以你知道我们是否只是在

accumulating it is there even way to

积累它甚至有办法

check and i think in one of your blog

检查，我认为在你的一篇博客

posts you say

文章中你说

it's very difficult to but and then the

这很难，但是

other question is so what

另一个问题是什么

would be like a safe amount we can eat

会像一个保险箱 我们每天可以吃的量

daily um that you would consider even

，你会认为是

safe

安全的

yeah well first off uh the safe amount

是的，首先，安全

is going to vary it's going to vary on

量会有所不同，这会有所不同，因为

you know someone's age prior health

你知道某人的年龄 之前的健康

history prior dietary history so it's

史 之前的饮食史 所以

it's a moving target

这是一个移动

as you get older and older that safe

随着年龄的增长，目标安全

amount is going to become smaller and

量会越来越小，

smaller because it does bioaccumulate so

因为它确实会生物累积，所以

the rda for vitamin a has changed

维生素 a 的 rda 发生了变化，

you know i think a decade ago was 5 000

你知道我认为十年前是 5 000

international units is now down to 3

国际单位，现在甚至下降到 3

000 international units even those

000 国际单位 这些

amounts are actually documented in the

数量实际上记录在

medical literature being

医学文献中处于

borderline high so in my view

临界值，所以在我看来

you want to be very careful with this

你要非常小心这种

substance it's like i said it

物质就像我说它

bioaccumulates

on the positive side the body is super

在积极的一面生物积累身体

well equipped to deal with it you know

非常有能力处理它你知道

like

就像

you know we've evolved with this

你知道 我们已经进化出这种

fantastic liver that metabolizes and

神奇的肝脏，它可以代谢和

catabolizes vitamin a

分解维生素，

other tissues do the same thing so you

其他组织也做同样的事情，所以你

can most certainly take

肯定可以

you know a daily dose of it at a

每天服用

reasonable amount and

合理的剂量，

live a long healthy life so it's not

过上健康长寿的生活

it's not gonna you know small doses are

知道小剂量

not gonna harm people it's this

不会伤害人正是

this cumulative you know moderate to

这种累积你知道

medium dose over a long period of time

在很长一段时间内中等至中等剂量

that is going to result in a toxic

会导致中毒

condition

状况

and so what would someone kind of be on

所以有人会

the outlook for

trying to determine if they're becoming

试图确定它们是否会变得

toxic

有毒

some of the signs are dry skin dry eyes

一些迹象是皮肤干燥 眼睛干涩

hair loss

脱发

elevated ldl levels

低密度脂蛋白水平升高

so change in in blood chemistry

所以血液化学变化

osteoporosis

骨质疏松症

bone pain you know there's just a huge

骨痛 你知道只有一个巨大的

list of

you know symptoms of vitamin a toxicity

你知道维生素 a 中毒的症状，

and it's all going to happen

而且这一切都会

very very slowly so that's the kind of

非常非常缓慢地发生，所以这

key thing for for people to understand

是人们理解的关键，

this is not something that happens

这不是快速或一夜之间发生的事情，

quickly or overnight unless you've kind

除非你

of megadosed with it

已经大量使用它，

so this is just a slow picking away at

所以这 只是缓慢地

your

tissues and primarily your stem cells

and it's going to

eventually catch up to people can you

提取你的组织，主要是你的干细胞，它最终会赶上人们你能

test for vitamin a toxicity

测试维生素 a 的毒性吗，

uh it's it's pretty difficult

嗯，这非常困难，

so the de facto test that you go

所以

and get from your doctor is a vitamin a

你从医生那里得到的事实上的测试是一个 维生素 a

serum

血清

level test it's not really indicative of

水平测试它根本不能真正表明

your vitamin a levels at all it's just

您的维生素 a 水平，它只是

indicated indication of

表明

how much vitamin a you have circulating

您在血清中循环了多少维生素 a

in your serum and most of that

，其中大部分

that they measure is in a in a wrapper

是 测量是在包装

protein so it's not

蛋白中，所以它

free in in serum but that does not

在血清中不是游离的，但这并不能

really reflect the liver stores so

真正反映肝脏的储存量，所以

there's some really great case studies

有一些非常好的案例研究

where

，其中

people were vitamin toxic in in their

人们肝脏中的维生素中毒增加

liver increased

uh their protein content and what

了他们的蛋白质含量，以及

happened as a result of that is their

发生了什么 结果是他们的

serum level of vitamin a just shot up

血清维生素 a 水平急剧上升

dramatically because all of a sudden

，因为突然

there's a protein for the liver to

之间，肝脏中有一种蛋白质

to wrap it up in a serum level test

可以将其包裹在血清水平测试

is not great but there is a range

中并不是很好，但

that doctor could test for and say if

医生可以测试并说有一个范围 如果

you're over this certain range that's

你超过了这个限制范围，

that

limit then you'd be quote vitamin a

那么你会引用维生素 a

toxic the gold

毒性

standard for measuring vitamin a

测量维生素 a

toxicity is a liver biopsy

毒性的黄金标准是肝活检

and you know no way should people just

，你知道人们不

go

and do a liver biopsy you know it's a

应该去做肝活检，你知道这是一个

dangerous test with a lot of

有很多

complications potentially

并发症的危险测试可能

there are some fluorescence techniques

有一些荧光技术

to measure the vitamin accumulating in

可以测量

the skin so the vitamin a that

皮肤中积累的维生素，因此积累在皮肤中的维生素 a

accumulates in the skin is

primarily the carotenoids the vitamin a

主要是类胡萝卜素维生素 na

beta-carotene

β-胡萝卜素

form of it and so there are some very

形式，因此有一些非常

sophisticated lab techniques for

复杂的实验室技术可以

actually

实际

measuring that quantity but once again

测量该数量，但再一次

it's not not available to just you know

，只有您认识的公众无法使用

the general public

so it's really kind of funny because you

它，所以这真的很有趣，因为您

know this is well known in the medical

知道这在 医学

literature that

文献表明，

this is going to bio accumulate could

这将生物积累

potentially become a problem

可能会成为一个问题，

but there's no great test for measuring

但没有很好的测试来衡量

it

它

where i struggle is um a lot of the

，我挣扎的是嗯，

symptoms you mentioned

你提到

you know a lot of diseases and illness

的很多症状你知道很多疾病和疾病，

they have very similar symptoms

它们有非常相似的症状

oh yeah oh your dry eyes can mean like a

哦，是的，哦 你的眼睛干涩可能意味着

vitamin deficiency sometimes

缺乏维生素 有时

thinning skin hair loss all of those can

皮肤变薄 脱发 所有这些

also be related to the thyroid

也可能与甲状腺有关

and so how do we know do you just do an

，所以我们怎么知道你是否只是做一个

elimination

消除

a diet of you know removing the vitamin

你知道的饮食 你知道去除维生素

a to then see your improvements um

a 然后看到你的改善 嗯，

in these areas or you know like how do

在这些领域，或者你知道

we know that those symptoms are really

我们怎么知道这些症状真的是

vitamin a when we can't even really test

维生素 a 当我们甚至无法真正

for it versus maybe it's my thyroid

测试它时，也许是我的甲状腺，

you know it's all the other conditions

你知道它是

that all these other things normally

所有这些其他事情通常

come up

会出现的所有其他条件

yeah no i totally get your question and

是的，不，我完全明白你的问题，

uh i agree

嗯，我同意，

so there's a lot of uh overlap here with

所以这里有很多 uh 与

thyroid and

甲状腺

and vitamin a and you're right there's a

和维生素 a 重叠，你是对的

lot of overlap and mimicry between you

，两者之间有很多重叠和模仿 你

know all these health conditions

知道所有这些健康状况

how does someone actually know i guess

有人是怎么知道的 我

the answer is we don't

猜答案是我们不

um you could you know suspect and uh i

知道，你知道怀疑，呃我

think that's kind of

认为这

what's what's happening with people that

are joining this community and

就是加入这个社区并

experimenting with this to kind of you

尝试这种方式的人们正在发生的事情 你

know help prove it out there's a great

知道帮助证明它有一个很好的

resource if someone wants to check this

资源，如果有人想看看

out is

这个是

uh there's a website called acne.org and

呃有一个名为accutane的网站

then they've got a piece

然后他们有一个

page for accutane so i don't know if

关于accutane的页面所以我不知道

you're familiar with accutane

你是否熟悉accutane

acne medication medication and on their

痤疮药物 药物和在他们的

site they have a list

网站上，他们有一个列表

a really good kind of visual diagram of

一个非常好的视觉图表

you know all the adverse health

你知道所有不良健康

conditions that

are documented in known side effects of

状况记录在

taking accutane

服用 Accutane 的已知副作用中，

and the reason i mentioned accutane is

以及我提到的原因 ned accutane 是

accutane is

accutane 是

what's called the active form of vitamin

所谓的维生素a的活性形式，

a so this is

所以这是

13 cysts retinoic acid so when we

13个囊泡视黄酸，所以当我们

consume vitamin a from food

从

either plant food or animal food

植物性食物或动物性食物中摄取维生素a时，

eventually that vitamin is that's going

最终维生素a

to be

会被

catabolized it's going to be broken down

分解代谢，它会被分解

and one of the steps of that is

， 其中一个步骤是

the breakdown of it into retinoic acid

将其分解为视黄酸

and so the reason i

，所以我

mentioned that website is that you know

提到该网站的原因是你

that diagram that they have with all the

知道他们拥有的图表与所有

health conditions associated with

与accutane相关的健康状况

accutane one you know that's

你知道这是

super well known proven list of side

非常知名的证明列表

effects

you know millions of people have taken

你知道数百万人服用了

accutane and accutane is also

维甲酸，而维甲酸也

used as a chemotherapy drug and so once

被用作化疗药物，所以再

again there's

一次有

millions of people that have taken

数百万人服用

accucane or

维甲酸或

retinoic acid as a chemotherapy and

视黄酸作为化疗，

these are actually

这些实际上是

you know the listed side effects of

你知道的列

chemotherapy with retinoic acid

有维甲酸化疗的副作用 酸，

so what everyone needs to understand is

所以每个人都需要了解的是

that your body when it metabolizes or

，您的身体在代谢或

metabolizes

代谢

vitamin a it breaks it down into exactly

维生素 a 时会将其准确分解为

that same chemical there's

同样的化学物质 有

some isomers but that's kind of

一些异构体 但那是一种

splitting hairs but that is the natural

分裂的头发 但这

pathway

for vitamin a to become active and so

是维生素 a 变得活跃的自然途径 所以

you know someone wants to check that out

你知道有人想检查一下

say you know what you know how many of

说你知道你

these symptoms do i have and kind of the

知道我有多少这些症状和种类 他们中的

more of them you have

越多，

the more uh suspicious that you should

你就越怀疑你

be that you know maybe you are dealing

应该知道你可能正在

with vitamin a toxicity and i'll just

处理维生素 a 毒性，我只想

mention that there's been studies

提一下，

done with cadavers and both in the

已经对尸体进行了研究，

united states

and in asia one actually done in canada

实际上在美国和亚洲都有 在加拿大也做过

too

you know really good studies where they

你知道非常好的研究 他们

take cadavers from

从

accident victims or people have died

事故受害者那里取出尸体 或者人们

from you know other causes

死于你知道其他

and they've done liver biopsies on them

原因 他们已经对他们进行了肝活检

and it's about 30

大约有

of these people are turning up to be

30 这些人被证明是

vitamin a toxic by

维生素 A 毒物

the gold standard of a liver biopsy and

肝活检的黄金标准，

some people are young some people are

有些人年轻有些人

older but it's quite surprising uh

年纪大，但这很令人惊讶，

so there's kind of a peak in in young

所以在

children for vitamin a toxicity

幼儿中维生素 A 的毒性有一个高峰，

then it drops off and it kind of slowly

然后下降 它会慢慢

builds up into

累积到

your adult years probably kind of around

你的成年期，可能在

age 40 or 50 that vitamin a toxicity and

40 或 50 岁左右，维生素 A 的毒性

the liver starts to accumulate

和肝脏开始积累

and so from that research you know about

，因此从这项研究中，你知道大约

30

30

of the walking population is vitamin a

名步行人群中的维生素 A

toxic

有毒

wow where where do you think our sources

哇在哪里 你认为我们

of vitamin a

的维生素 a 来源是

starts i mean you mentioned but i mean

从你提到的开始的，但我的意思

are we born with

是我们出生时

you know if our mother had it would we

你知道如果我们的母亲有它，你知道我们会

you know get some i mean

得到一些我的意思

kind of where does it start and then

是它从哪里开始，然后

what foods and we can get into that

是什么食物，我们可以进入

yeah sure well i don't think anyone's

是的，当然，我不认为任何人的

names can be concerned about how much

名字会关心

you get from your mother that's uh

你从你母亲那里得到多少

that's a long time ago so um

那是很久以前的所以嗯

all vitamin a really originates in

所有的维生素 a 真的起源于

plants

植物，

so as uh the carotenoids and kind of the

所以呃类胡萝卜素和

primary one that people need to

人们的主要成分

you'll hear about is the beta-carotene

你需要知道的是β-胡萝卜素

so beta-carotene is two vitamin a

所以β-胡萝卜素是

molecules

bound in in this in the center so it's

结合在中间的两个维生素a分子 所以

you know

你知道

kind of a mirror image of these two

这两个

molecules in a beta-carotene so

分子在β-胡萝卜素中的一种镜像

what happens when an animal or we

所以当 一只动物 或者我们

eat a plant source of beta-carotene

吃一种植物来源的 β-胡萝卜素，

some of that's cleaved and split in part

其中一些被部分切割和分裂

now we have two vitamin a molecules

现在我们有两个维生素 a 分子

maybe just back up for a second so the

可能只是备份一秒钟 所以

term vitamin a in the medical research

医学研究中的术语维生素 a

refers to a whole

指的是一

group of molecules

组分子

and it's really kind of you know any

，它是 真的，你知道任何

molecule that has vitamin a activity

具有维生素 a 活性的分子，

then you kind of have two branches you

然后你有两个分支，你

have the beta-carotene branch of that or

有一个β-胡萝卜素分支，或者

what's called the pro-form

所谓的前体

branch and you got another branch called

分支，你有另一个分支，称为

pre-form vitamin a and that pre-formed

前体维生素 a 和那个前体 -形成的

vitamin a comes from

维生素a来自

animals so we can and of course we do

动物，所以我们可以，当然我们确实

get some vitamin a from animal foods but

从动物食物中获得一些维生素a，但所有维生素a

that all also

也

originated from those animals eating

来自那些吃

plants so really all vitamin a

植物的动物，所以实际上所有

originates from plants doesn't really

来自植物的维生素a都

matter probably not because

无关紧要，

for if you're a vegan that's a bit of a

因为如果 你是一个素食主义者，

concern if you're applying to air meteor

如果你申请的是空气流星

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that's a bit of a concern it really

，这有点令人

doesn't matter about the origin it's

担忧它的起源真的无关紧要，

just there

只是

there are some differences though so

存在一些差异，尽管如此

beta carotene that you get from a plant

，你得到的β-胡萝卜素 来自植物

source

来源的物质

is absorbed through the intestine only

会通过肠道被吸收，

about you know it's going to vary by

只有您知道它会因人而异，

individual but

但

maybe 80 percent of it where the

其中 80% 可能是其中的 80%，其中

preformed vitamin a that you get in

您在动物性食物中获得的预制维生素 a

animal foods is

much higher uh absorption rate maybe

要高得多，嗯，吸收率可能会

less

更少

beta-carotene 80 percent of it's going

β-胡萝卜素 80% 它

to be passed through 20 percent of it's

会通过 20%

going to be

会

absorbed with preform vitamin a retinol

被预制维生素吸收 视黄醇

or retinol palmitate which you can get

或视黄醇棕榈酸酯，你可以

from animal sources

从动物

is much more readily absorbed maybe 80

来源获得更容易吸收 可能有 80%

of it's going to be absorbed eventually

最终会被吸收

that beta-carotene though

β-胡萝卜素虽然

if it does get absorbed into your into

如果它 确实会被吸收到

your tissues it's going to break down

您的组织中，它会分解

into

成

two vitamin a molecules and then

两个维生素 a 分子，然后

eventually it's going to break down into

最终会分解成

retinoic acid

视黄酸

and uh that's kind of the pathway there

，嗯，这就是那里的途径

when you're saying though that it gets

more i just want to make sure and

确定和

clarify but when you say that the

澄清但是当你说

you know the animal form it gets better

你知道动物形式它会被更好地

absorbed does that mean that we would

吸收时，这是否意味着我们

actually get more vitamin a from meat

实际上会从肉类中获得更多的维生素 a

than if we were eating

如果我们吃的是

beta-carotene well no it depends on the

β-胡萝卜素，不，这取决于

type of meat because you know different

肉的类型，因为你知道不同的

meat has different concentrations of

肉含有不同浓度的

vitamin a

维生素

some fish is high tuna is high salmon is

一些鱼是高金枪鱼 鲑鱼

kind of medium i suppose the fish oils

是中等 我想鱼油

can be

可能

really high so something like cod liver

真的很高 所以 像鱼肝油之类的东西

oil would be disastrous

会是灾难性的

disastrously high muscle meat is is

高肌肉肉

actually very low in vitamin a

实际上维生素含量很低

certain cuts in meat might be slightly

higher based on their fat content and

根据脂肪含量和

the age of the animal

动物的年龄，某些肉类可能略高

so there's lots and lots of factors

所以有很多因素

liver uh

肝脏 呃

animal liver and beef liver is one of

动物肝脏 牛肝是

the highest source

of preformed vitamin a so it depends on

预制维生素 a 的最高来源之一 所以它

the type of meat

取决于肉的类型

so so let's say the percentage of you

所以假设你知道的百分比

know in 100

在 100

100 grams okay the meat has let's say

100 克 好的 假设

beef liver you know it's really high in

你知道它的

vitamin a and then let's say in carrots

维生素 a 含量很高 然后让我们说在胡萝卜

or something there's a lot of vitamin a

或其他东西中有很多维生素 a

as well would the liver and i know the

以及肝脏，我知道

liver is really high but let's say

肝脏真的很高但是让我们

are you saying that the liver or the

说你是说肝脏或

meat variety would

肉类品种

be more absorbed by the body yes yes it

会更多 被身体吸收是的，

is

yes it is and especially so if you

是的，是的，尤其是如果你

include any fat in your meal

在你的膳食中加入任何脂肪，

so the preformed vitamin which we'll

那么我们称之为预制维生素

call which is typically called retinol

，通常称为视黄醇

or retinal palmitate that's a fat a

或视黄醛棕榈酸酯，它是一种脂肪，一种

soluble molecule so if you have

可溶性分子，所以如果你有

fat in the same meal that you're eating

在你吃的同一顿饭中的脂肪

you know meat source

你知道肉类来源

or an animal source of vitamin a you're

或动物来源的维生素 你

going to have a higher absorption rate

会有更高的吸收率

whereas the beta carotene not so much so

而β-胡萝卜素没有那么多

and even

，甚至

by the nature of the molecule itself

根据分子本身的性质，

it's not so highly absorbed eating a

它也不是 如此高度吸收吃

carrot you know is

胡萝卜你知道

not that much of a concern but eating

不是什么大问题但是吃

something like an animal source

动物来源的东西

such as liver and you know that would be

比如肝脏你知道这将是

a huge concern

一个巨大的问题

my view how so most people don't eat

我的观点所以大多数人不吃

liver right so i know

肝脏所以我知道

meat based world there we push liver but

肉 我们在那里推肝脏，但

outside of us

在我们

there's not a ton of people that eat

之外没有很多人吃

liver so right are we getting a lot of

肝脏，所以我们得到了很多

this

这种

vitamin a toxicity well uh yeah very

维生素，毒性很好，嗯，是的，非常

unfortunately

不幸，

especially if in the united states has

特别是如果在美国

been added to you know a

已经添加到你知道一个

bunch of the food uh in the united

bunc 在美国和加拿大的食物中

states and in canada

so in the 1970s vitamin a was added to

，在 1970 年代，维生素 a 被添加到

milk and dairy margarine

牛奶和人造黄油中

and this is vitamin a palmitate and this

，这是维生素 a 棕榈酸酯，这

is the pre-formed version so one is the

是预先形成的版本，所以一个是

version that's most highly absorbed

吸收率最高的版本，

two it is in a food that it was never

两个它 是在一种食物中，它从来都不

kind of naturally

part of i guess especially the skim milk

是我想的自然部分，我猜尤其是脱脂牛奶

and margarines

和人造黄油，

another source is the seed oil such as

另一个来源是种子油，例如

canola oil and some of the other seed

菜籽油，而其他一些种子

oils are very high or

油的类胡萝卜素含量很高或

high in the carotenoids and the problem

很高，并且存在以下

with that it's already emulsified in an

问题 它已经在

oil so if you're eating canola oil or

油中乳化，所以如果你正在吃菜籽油或

consuming canola oil you are going to be

食用菜籽油，你将要食用油菜籽油中的

consuming you know

most of that beta-carotene that's in

大部分β-胡萝卜素，

that canola oil you're going to absorb

你会吸收，

because it is

因为它被

wrapped up in a lipid already

包裹在 历史上已经是一种脂质，

historically you know our plant-based

你知道我们的植物性

diet was seasonal so we

饮食是季节性的，所以我们

might have some high vitamin a foods in

可能会在秋季结束时吃一些高维生素 a 的食物

the fall at the end of the fall season

and then you know for the rest of the

，然后你知道在今年剩下的

year not so much and we would have

时间里没有那么多，我们会

meat and you know fruit in kind of

吃肉 你知道 全年都有水果，

throughout the year but that was not

但没有

supplemented but right now in the united

补充，但现在在

states they've also supplemented

美国，他们还补充了

bread flour breakfast cereals so there's

面包粉早餐麦片

been a

big you know supplementation program

going on throughout the united states

and really throughout the world for

vitamin a and

维生素 a 和

the consumption of multivitamins that's

多种维生素的消耗，这

kind of a new factor kind of since the

是自 1970 年代以来的一种新因素，

1970s

so there's a lot more vitamin a being

因此消耗了更多的维生素 a

consumed i actually did see a good chart

我实际上确实看到了一个很好的图表

of this

and it's if you look at look at it

，如果您以图形方式查看它，

graphically there's there's been about a

就会有关于

30

increase in vitamin a consumption kind

of generally speaking since the 1970s

从 1970

in the united states so it's not a 300

年代开始，美国的维生素消费量增加了 30，所以它不是 300，

but it's

但

still 30 percent is kind of significant

仍然是 30% 是很重要的，

especially once again it's it's

尤其是再一次，这是

you know doing the integral of that

你知道

curve over time

随着时间的推移对曲线进行积分，

so if you were to take accutane i mean

所以如果你 服用accutane我的

does that put you at a very

意思是这会让你

a much higher risk of the um vitamin a

面临更高的风险吗维生素a

toxicity like you think oh yes

毒性就像你想象的那样哦是的

you're younger okay oh yes so

你还年轻好吧哦是的

accutane is um it's a devastating uh

oaccutane 是嗯，它是一种毁灭性的

chemical this in my opinion it's no way

化学物质，在我看来，

it should ever still be on the market

它不可能一直在市场上销售，

um but there's kind of two two reasons

但有两个原因，

it's so devastating i believe one is

它是如此具有毁灭性，我相信一个是

it is um you know incredibly toxic by

它，嗯，你知道它本身具有令人难以置信的毒性，

itself

uh so this is quote the active form of

所以 这是维生素 a 的活性形式

vitamin a and there's many many people

，有很多人

that are devastated by that and there's

对此感到震惊，

a lot of people on my forum that have

我的论坛上有很多人

come from

都来自

uh taking accutane and you know what's

呃服用了accutane，你知道

documented in medical literature is that

医学文献中记录的是

these quote side effects are often

这些引用的副作用是 通常是

permanent and

永久性的，

some people don't ever recover from them

有些人永远不会从中恢复，

but the secondary

part of it i believe is it's not

但我相信它的次要部分

just being exposed to a toxic dose of

不仅仅是暴露于有毒剂量的

vitamin a

维生素 a

so when you're you know being exposed to

所以当你知道

high level vitamin a your body is

你的身体暴露于高水平的维生素 a 时

catabolizing it like i said we've got

像我说的那样分解代谢我们

really good defenses against vitamin a

对维生素a

liver and a bunch of

肝脏和一堆

detoxification enzymes when you take

解毒酶有很好的防御，当你服用accutane时，你会

accutane you kind of use up that reserve

消耗

of those detoxification enzymes and so

掉那些解毒酶的储备，所以

now you're at much bigger risk for

现在你

ongoing vitamin a toxicity than you

would be if you had never taken accutane

如果您从未服用过维他命，那么持续维生素 A 毒性的风险要大得多，

so accutane is kind of a double whammy

所以维他命是一种双重打击，

one it's a direct acute poisoning

它是一种直接的急性中毒

and it's reduced your defensive measures

，它减少了您

against

对

ongoing vitamin a consumption what if i

持续服用维他命 a 的防御措施，如果我

just

只是

took enzymes or liver supports you know

服用酶或肝脏支持剂 你知道

there's a ton of like

有很多类似

liver detox i mean would that help get

肝脏排毒 我的意思是这有助于

rid of the vitamin a toxicity i mean

消除维生素 a 毒性 我是说

yeah i i don't know i haven't looked at

是的 我不知道我没有看过

that

那个

um sure could be and that's kind of

嗯肯定可能是这样

where we are in this

的 我们在这个

you know this community that is growing

你知道这个

up around this

围绕

this theory is you know we are looking

这个理论成长的社区你知道我们正在

for better

寻找更好

safer ways to try to detoxify from

更安全的方法来尝试从

vitamin a i haven't specifically looked

维生素中解毒 ai 还没有专门研究

at you know liver enzymes

过你知道肝酶

possibly you know what's interesting is

可能你知道什么是有趣的

a lot of

是 很多

animal foods have vitamin a right so we

动物性食物都含有维生素a，所以我们

talked about liver

谈到了肝

eggs have it um butter is a big source

蛋，嗯，黄油也是一个重要的来源，

too so

所以

in your opinion do you think that we

在你看来，你认为我们

shouldn't be eating these foods or

不应该吃这些食物吗？

no i think no i think we just need to be

不，我认为不，我认为我们 只是需要

extra careful we need to one come to an

格外小心，我们需要

understanding that vitamin a is not a

了解维生素 a 不是一种

vitamin that's

维生素，这是

my personal theory on it yet to be

我个人的理论尚未得到

proven uh and we just need to be prudent

证实，呃，我们只需要

about you know how much we're consuming

谨慎，你知道我们消耗了多少，

because it does bioaccumulate so

因为它 是否会产生生物累积，所以像鱼肝油这样的

something like

东西

liver cod liver oil i think would just

我想

be you know no one should ever consume

只是你知道没有人应该吃

those foods um

这些食物嗯

it'd be hard to even call them foods but

甚至很难称它们为食物但是

things like butter milk and cheese

you know in reasonable amounts are going

你知道适量的黄油牛奶和奶酪之类的东西

to be fine

将会是 很好，

some of the things to be on the outlook

一些需要注意的事情是

for is

consuming vitamin a containing foods

食用含维生素 a 的食物

with breads with emulsifiers or other

和含有乳化剂或其他

emulsifiers would

乳化剂的面包会

increase your rate of absorption of it

增加您的吸收率，

so

因此

foods that have lots of sand some you

含有大量沙子的食物有些您

know other kind of emulsifiers that put

知道其他类型的

in a lot of common foods uh like soy

乳化剂 很多常见的食物，比如大豆

lethine that

赖氨酸，可以

emulsifies or wraps up vitamin a and

乳化或包裹维生素 a 并将其

brings it through the digestive

带入消化

wall i think people just need to be

壁，我认为人们只需要

aware that this is a potential problem

意识到这是一个潜在的问题

and you know be prudent about how much

，你知道要谨慎 关于

they're consuming

他们消耗了多少，

so for my book i did research on

所以在我的书中，我研究

different nutri

nutritional profiles on animal-based

了动物性

foods and one of the one of them was

食物的不同营养成分，其中之一是

beef liver and vitamin a amount

牛肝和维生素

for four ounces was about i can't

，四盎司的量大约是我不

remember the exact number but it's about

记得了 确切的数字，但它大约

624 percent of your daily value so here

是你每日价值的 624% 所以这里

we go okay

我们

real quick it's 5 614 micrograms

很快就可以了，它是 5614 微克

okay okay so

还可以，所以

based on you know what everything you're

基于你知道你

saying and then there's on top of that

在说什么，然后

there's a separate

还有另外一个

excess dose of copper um and there are

额外剂量的铜 嗯 有些

people that are copper toxic so

人对铜有毒，所以

okay you you know it's it's a fact that

好吧，你知道这是事实，

organ meat has a lot of nutrition but

器官肉有很多营养，

then there is a lot of

但也有很多

vitamin a yeah i mean even for the

维生素，是的，我的意思是，即使是

four ounces there's 620

四盎司

of your daily value so would you say

，你每天的价值也有 620，所以会 你说

maybe we just

也许我们只是

limit our um organ meats to maybe

将我们的器官肉限制

three ounces a week oh man um

在每周三盎司哦，伙计，

i'm giving you my opinion of course

我给你我的意见当然是

right and so

对的，所以

my opinion is no one should ever eat

我的意见是没有人应该永远吃

liver

肝脏

ever and kidneys also

和肾脏，

so the liver is kind of the body's

所以肝脏有点 身体的

primary storage organ for vitamin a

主要s 储存维生素 a 的器官

and metabolizes it but the kidneys are

并代谢它 但肾脏也

also

catabolizing acid and and some vitamin a

分解代谢酸和一些维生素 a

so the kidneys would be

所以肾脏是

you know toxic source uh the liver would

你知道的毒源 呃肝脏

be toxic source

是毒源

it's going to depend on the age of the

这也取决于动物的年龄

animal too you know most beef cattle

你最了解

in north america is harvested at kind of

北美的肉牛是在

less than three years of age this is

不到三岁的时候收获的 这

actually not going to be that toxic and

实际上不会有那么毒 而且

you're absolutely right in the liver

你在肝脏中绝对正确

there's going to be a bunch of other

会有一堆其他

good nutrients and detoxification

良好的营养物质和解毒

enzymes but

酶 但

i wouldn't make that trade-off kind of

我不会 不要做那种权衡，

you know there would be other sources

你知道

for those nutrients if you wanted them

如果你想要这些营养素还有其他来源

and this is not just a theory

，这不仅仅是一个理论，

um you know this is it's proving out in

嗯，你知道这是在现实生活中证明的，

real life so we've got a quite a

所以我们有

number of people uh now in uh i wanted

很多 呃现在在呃

to say on my forum in this community the

我想在这个社区的论坛上

vitamin a detoxification community

that have come from the you know

说来自你知道的

carnivore diet that included liver

包括肝脏在内的食肉动物饮食的维生素和解毒社区

are now quite sick and trying to

现在病得很重并试图

detoxify themselves and likewise for

解毒自己和likewi 对于

people coming from the western price

来自西方价格

foundation that have been consuming cod

基金会的人来说，他们一直在食用

liver oil extremely extremely sick

鱼肝油，病得很重

and are now trying to go through this

，现在正试图通过这个

process of detoxifying it

解毒过程，

so the trade-off is just not worth it in

所以在我看来，这种权衡是不值得的，

my opinion

i know we talked about certain symptoms

我知道我们谈到了某些 症状

but what are some main symptoms i know

但有哪些主要症状 我知道

you had eczema

你有湿疹

yeah so i think the main

是的 所以我认为主要

symptoms are going to be well it affects

症状会好起来 它会

the entire body so people need to know

影响整个身体 所以人们需要知道

that

vitamin a slowly poisons the entire body

维生素 a 会慢慢毒害整个身体

so but i think the most common ones are

所以但我认为最常见的

going to be gi issues

将是 gi 问题

cognitive issues anxiety depression skin

认知问题 焦虑抑郁 皮肤

issues

dry eyes hair loss problems with

问题 眼睛干涩 脱发

their teeth and gums the symptoms of

牙齿和牙龈问题 坏血病的症状

scurvy

you know mouth ulcers i'm just trying to

你知道口腔溃疡 我只是想在

think here

这里想

you know poor bone development

你知道骨骼发育不良 骨质

osteoporosis so those are probably some

疏松症 所以这些可能是

of the big ones

一些 最重要的

what's interesting is that in the

是，有趣的是，在

carnivore community a lot of people

食肉动物社区中，很多人

heal their gut or they heal a lot of the

治愈了他们的肠道，或者他们治愈了很多

skin issues right so they

皮肤问题，所以

if you ski heal a lot of your like small

如果你滑雪，他们就会治愈很多 你就像小肠

intestine

and you now have a stronger small

，你现在有一个更强壮的小肠

intestine

that's where a lot of your immune health

，这是你的很多免疫健康

is and so then people see healing in

所在，然后人们看到

their skin

他们的皮肤正在愈合

i think from the medical research you

我认为从医学研究中你

know i think the skin issues are

知道我认为皮肤问题

more predominantly if caused by

更主要是由β引起的

beta-carotene so

-胡萝卜素 所以

the pro-form versions of vitamin a and

维生素a的前体版本和

people see this when they

人们看到这一点，当

you know they eat you know too many

他们知道他们吃的时候，你知道太多的

carrots or sweet potatoes or you know

胡萝卜或红薯，或者你

squash their skin turns orange so you

知道他们的皮肤变成橙色，所以你

can literally see

可以从字面上看到

you know beta carotene accumulating in

你知道β-胡萝卜素在

someone's skin so i think that's

某人的皮肤中积累 所以我认为这

primarily um the driver behind

主要是湿疹和银屑病背后的驱动因素

eczema and probably psoriasis and

there's been several

young men on my forum that

，我的论坛上有几个年轻人

coincidentally both in australia that

巧合的是，他们在

were eating sweet potatoes for a number

澳大利亚吃了

of years both of them developed very

很多年的红薯 他们都患上了非常

severe eczema

严重的湿疹

and you know went off the sweet potatoes

，你知道的 红薯

and recovered their skin so i think it's

并恢复了他们的皮肤所以我认为这是

pretty good evidence that

一个很好的证据表明

beta-carotene is the bigger factor for

β-胡萝卜素是皮肤问题的更大因素

the skin

issues however this is a tricky

但是这是一个 棘手

tricky topic because if you're consuming

棘手的话题，因为如果您正在服用

you know vitamin a the pre-formed the

维生素，您就会知道维生素 a 预先形成的

animal form

动物形式

of vitamin a retinol or retinal

的维生素 a 视黄醇或视黄醛

palmitate

棕榈酸酯

that is predominantly going to get

，主要会

stored in your liver so it kind of

储存在您的肝脏中，因此它

protects your other tissues from its

可以保护您的其他组织免受其

toxicity and the liver is going to deal

毒性和

with it slowly over time

随着时间的推移，肝脏会慢慢地处理它，

so it won't manifest itself in the skin

所以它不会在皮肤上表现得

so much

如此之多，

but eventually uh your liver is going to

但最终呃你的肝脏会

become saturated

变得饱和

and diseased and then you're going to be

和患病，然后你会

in trouble

遇到麻烦

and then when you talked about these

，然后当你谈到 这些

other fats so a lot of people make liver

其他脂肪 所以很多人

into pates with butter yeah

用黄油把肝脏做成肉酱 是的，

absolutely disaster but you know once

绝对是灾难

again you know people need to

uh read the read the research there's

just

tons and tons of research on vitamin a

both there's lots of research

advocating for vitamin a and and you

维生素 a 并且你

know

知道

talking about its benefits and there's

谈论它的好处 有

lots of research talking about the

很多研究谈论

toxicity of it

它

and you know don't go on my opinion you

的毒性 你知道不要继续我的意见 你

know people need to read the research

知道人们需要阅读研究

and decide for themselves

a 自己决定

so what's your diet like then well

所以你的饮食是什么样的那么

uh let me first say that what i do with

好吧让我先说我对

my diet i'm doing for a very specific

我的饮食所做的我是出于一个非常具体的

scientific reason

科学原因

so this is not a diet that someone

所以这不是某人

should mimic or you know say oh

应该模仿的饮食或者你知道说哦

grandson i died i'll do that diet people

孙子我 死了我会做那种饮食人们

need to find out what works best for

需要找出最适合

themselves so what my diet is

自己的饮食所以我的饮食

is primarily beef and bison

主要是牛肉和野牛

white rice brown rice black beans salt

白米糙米黑豆盐

and coffee and i've been on that diet

和咖啡我已经坚持这种

for about six and a half

饮食大约六年半了

years and so maybe just some other

年，所以也许只是其他一些

comments the reason i

评论，我之所以

use bison versus beef for the most part

使用野牛与牛肉相比，在很大程度上

is just because it's lower in fat and

只是因为它的脂肪含量较低，

i'm not saying that beef isn't perfectly

我并不是说牛肉不是很好，

fine i think beef is perfectly fine

我认为牛肉非常好，

even beef with quite a bit of fat in it

即使牛肉含有相当多的脂肪 里面有一点脂肪

it's perfectly fine nothing wrong with

，完全没问题，没什么问题，

it

but i'm just trying to eliminate all

但我只是想

possible vitamin a from my

从我的个人饮食中消除所有可能的维生素 a，

personal diet to prove a point that a

以证明一个

human can live for

人可以

seven or ten years with no vitamin a in

在没有维生素 a 的饮食中存活七年或十年，

their diet so that's

所以 那就是

you know that's my personal mission i'm

你知道这是我的个人使命

not doing that for health reasons

出于健康原因

anymore it's just for me

，我不再这样做了，我只是

to prove a point do you get fat in your

为了证明您的饮食中是否发胖了

diet i mean other than the ones that may

我的意思是除了

be in some beef but

某些牛肉中可能

you don't eat added fats no i don't

含有的脂肪外，但您不吃添加的脂肪，不，我不吃。

and i would love to find a good safe

我很想找到一个很好的安全

source of fat um

脂肪来源嗯

i know i don't add any fat i you know

我知道我不添加任何脂肪我你知道

when i when i

当我

cook beef uh you know roast beef

煮牛肉时你知道烤牛肉

typically with fat on i

通常带有脂肪我

definitely eat all the fat so i'm not

肯定会吃掉所有的脂肪所以我 我一点也不

adverse to fat at all

反对脂肪

and bison is very low in fat and that's

，野牛的脂肪含量很低，

kind of probably about 80 percent of my

这可能占我肉类消耗量的 80% 左右，

meat consumption and other that i don't

have fat

sometimes with your hormones if you you

如果你

know

知道

don't eat enough fat then you can have

脂肪摄入不足，我有时不会因为你的荷尔蒙而摄入脂肪 你的皮肤可能会

thinning skin so how do

变薄，所以你

you know i know this i'm going into

怎么知道我知道这一点，我

circles a little bit but it's like how

有点绕圈子，但这就像

do we know

我们怎么知道

right like i'm i'm guessing that ever

的一样，我猜

since you were diagnosed with any of the

自从你被诊断出患有任何

liver issues and then the eczema you

肝脏问题以来 然后是湿疹，你也

cleaned up your diet in other areas too

清理了其他地方的饮食，

so how do we know specifically

所以我们怎么

that it was the vitamin e and not some

知道是维生素 E 而不是

other you know like toxic oils in your

其他一些你知道的像你

diet or something else

饮食中的有毒油或其他东西

yeah well i had a pretty good diet

是的，我的饮食非常好，

leading up to my

导致我的

disease conditions so so i wasn't really

疾病，所以我根本没有

eating a terrible diet at all i thought

吃糟糕的饮食，我以为

i was eating a very healthy diet and so

我吃的是非常健康的饮食， 所以

uh but i did kind of experiment itself i

呃，但我自己做了一些实验，

did you know through

你知道

out last four or five years i did add

在过去的四五年里，我确实添加

back gluten and

了麸质和

white sourdough bread and i did it for a

白酵母面包，而且我也做了

good long period of time too it was just

很长一段时间，只是

um you know for about three or four

嗯，你知道大约三年 或者

months i replaced the rice for this

四个月，我把米饭换成了这个

sourdough bread and i had no adverse

酸面包，现在我真的没有对它产生不良

reaction to it really

反应，因为

now be i was very careful to make sure

我非常小心地

that the bread had no

确保面包里没有

canola oil in it and then the other

菜籽油，然后

experiment i did

我做的另一个实验

was with you know high dose sugar as you

是和你知道的高

know ridiculous as doing like 200 grams

正如你所知，每天摄入 200 克糖是荒谬的，

of sugar a day

and no adverse reactions to that

而且对健康或体重没有不良反应，

health wise or body weight wise or

或者

really anything is kind of surprising

真的任何事情都令人惊讶，

so i did re-challenge myself with some

所以我确实用

of those kind of more

一些更多种的

kind of commonly viewed as you know

方式重新挑战自己 常见的 正如您所知道的

negative

负面

dietary items but to answer your

饮食项目，但要回答您的

question

问题，

you know i don't think people should

您知道我认为人们不应该

look at me as kind of the de facto

将我视为

you know reference case and that's why i

您所知道的事实参考案例，这就是为什么

kind of you know published the ebooks

我知道您出版

that i published and put together the

了我出版并放在一起的电子书

forum that i put together because i

我把这个论坛放在一起，因为我

wanted to

想让

you know try to get other people taking

你知道，试着让其他人接受

this on and now we have you know

这个，现在我们有

hundreds of people it's probably close

数百人，

to about a thousand people worldwide

全世界可能有大约一千人在

that are doing this and a lot of people

做这件事，很多

are indeed recovering their health

人确实在康复 他们的健康

and they have a wide variety of diets so

，他们有各种各样的饮食，所以

you know

你知道

my own personal diet with white and

我个人的饮食，包括白米和

brown rice a lot of people aren't doing

糙米，很多人没有这样

that and they're staying away from the

做，他们远离

beans so

豆类，所以

you know a large variety of diets

你知道各种各样的饮食

with the common theme of eliminating

vitamin a from their diet or reducing

从他们的饮食中消除维生素 a 或减少他们饮食中的维生素

the vitamin a in their diet

and a lot of people are experiencing

a 的共同主题，现在很多人正在经历

health improvements now

健康状况的改善，

what's happening is you know this is by

你知道这

no means a quick fix

绝不是一个快速的解决方案

and it's no by no means an easy fix

，也不是通过 这不是一个简单的解决办法，

because what's happening

因为发生的事情

uh often is people experience a pretty

呃经常是人们

good

uh improvement in their health and you

的健康状况得到了很好的改善，你

know

知道

within a two or three month period they

在两三个月内他们

start kind of sliding backwards and

开始倒退并

start experiencing worse health and

开始经历更糟的健康，

we're getting a good understanding of

我们得到了很好的理解

why that's happening

为什么会发生

um so this is not you know an easy thing

这种情况 嗯 所以这不是你知道一件容易接受的

to take on

and it's not you know it's not a it's

事情 也不是你知道这

not a panacea

不是灵丹妙药

i mean that could be the herxheimer

我的意思是这可能是赫克斯海默

effect you know where just you are

效应 你知道你在哪里

detoxing and then you could just feel

排毒 然后你就可以感觉到

worse

更糟糕的

um yeah how long after typically from

是，是的，通常是

the

在

thousand people that are doing this i

数千人这样做之后多久，我的

mean how long do you notice

意思是你注意到

or how long does it take for them to

多久，或者他们需要多长时间才能

start noticing

开始注意到

improvements in their symptoms so what

他们的症状有所改善，所以

happens

会发生什么，

uh i'm gonna say typically you know of

呃我通常会说你知道

course every it's all over the map you

当然每一个都在地图上你

know there's people coming from all

知道有人来自

kinds of different

各种不同的

health histories dietary histories and

健康史饮食历史和

situations so it's you know the results

情况所以你知道

are over the map

结果在

i did put together a survey uh back in

我做的地图上 在八月份进行一项调查，

august and it's up on my up on my blog

呃，它在我的博客上发布

and people can go and look at that and

，人们可以去查看并

read it so you kind of see this general

阅读它，这样您就会看到

improvement in health but to answer your

健康状况的普遍改善，但要回答您的

question so what happens

问题，因此

typically within about two or three

通常会在大约两年内发生 或者

months people experience

三个月，人们

a really kind of profound

improvement in their health so this is

的健康状况确实有了很大的改善，所以这

kind of the honeymoon period

是蜜月期

and then for a lot of people they kind

，然后对很多人来说，

of start sliding backwards and they

他们开始

end up in either you know back to where

倒退，最终他们要么回到原来的位置

they were or even slightly worse

，要么甚至 稍微更糟，

uh now there are other people and kind

现在还有其他人，并且

of seeing a pattern

有点看到一种模式

is people that come into this and if

是人们进入这种情况，如果

they're generally healthy and they don't

他们总体上健康并且他们

have you know

没有你

a disease condition and they take this

知道疾病状况，他们会

on for those people

为那些

they don't really typically slide

他们不知道的人接受这个 真的通常会

backwards they

倒退，

they take it on they start to see

他们接受了他们开始看到

improvement in their health and they

他们的健康状况有所改善，

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