乔治·丁科夫与雷佩特开启直播，乔治提到距上次见面已过去两个月，询问雷佩特近况。雷佩特表示嗓子已从喉炎中基本恢复，他认为病因是食用了用芹菜汁粉腌制的培根，芹菜汁粉是强过敏原，逐渐引发了类似重感冒的全身性过敏反应，影响到了嗓音。

雷佩特还谈及食品供应问题，指出市场上充斥着针对不存在问题的“解决方案”，很多人们认为无害的过敏原可能导致严重症状。例如，用氯化钠腌制猪肉本无问题，只需浸泡去除部分盐分即可食用；过去添加少量硝酸盐或亚硝酸盐能给培根、火腿带来粉色并抑制细菌生长，但因被发现大量使用可能致癌，有人便用工业种植的含高硝酸盐和亚硝酸盐的蔬菜汁粉替代，这种所谓“安全”的培根其实含等量的硝酸盐和亚硝酸盐，还包含植物自身的复杂过敏原，芹菜汁即便不过敏也有一定毒性，过敏者食用则危害极大。

乔治询问雷佩特对当前局势的看法，雷佩特回溯2020年冬春季，称当时全球健康状况并无异常，所谓的“疫情”是一场精心策划的恐慌，目的是让人们相信存在致命新病原体。

他提到2019年全年，德特里克堡生物战实验室多次宣布病毒泄漏，最终其上级部门关闭了这个有几十年历史的实验室。通常这类事件会被掩盖，而此次频繁公开报道并关闭实验室，意义重大。同年夏天，出现因电子烟替代品引发的新型肺炎病例，症状与后来的新冠相似。秋季武汉军运会期间，美国军人运动员表现极差，是历史最差战绩。结合德特里克堡的泄漏事件，有曾在该实验室工作的人认为，这可能是美国在军事竞赛中传播病毒，且早于武汉所谓的“泄漏”。

雷佩特认为，中国可能据此预判存在病毒释放风险，从而采取了极端且前所未有的防控措施。而在武汉军运会后几周，洛克菲勒基金会、约翰·霍普金斯大学等在纽约举办全球会议，制定了应对类似新冠病毒的政府响应模型，其方案均涉及摧毁旧经济，代之以人工智能经济。谷歌前高管埃里克·施密特也早于2019年提出，需摧毁现有经济以让大公司垄断全球经济。这些在疫情发生前五年甚至十年就已有明确规划。

乔治提到美国的新冠叙事似乎已结束，人们不再戴口罩，询问后续走向。雷佩特表示，统治阶层的计划推进不如预期，世界经济论坛创始人克劳斯·施瓦布曾称，借助全球变暖的恐惧改变世界需五到十年，而健康危机让他们能直接利用政府卫生部门的专制权力，在一两年内完成“重置”。

关于人工智能经济，雷佩特指出，亚马逊等企业因线下商店关闭，线上购物激增而获利丰厚，施密特曾称线上购物是“有效娱乐”，世界经济论坛还提出“你将一无所有，但会很快乐”的口号，实则是让少数人掌控一切。

疫苗方面，雷佩特称疫苗完全无效，还会降低抗体水平约六个月，因此需要不断接种加强针，而1986年通过的法律规定疫苗提供者无需为接种者的任何状况负责，这使得他们能持续从政府获得巨额资金。目前，雷佩特收到的邮件中，询问疫苗伤害后补救措施的远多于询问如何预防病毒感染，症状包括接种后直接出现的问题，以及接种者“ shedding”出的疫苗物质导致未接种者出现出血等症状，不过最严重的“ shedding”在几周后会减弱。

他还认为，许多公众人物接种的可能只是生理盐水，以避免出现不良事件。对于疫苗的长期副作用，至少需要50年才能完全显现，像20世纪50年代的DES药物，其影响延续了三四代人。而当前疫苗导致的儿童心肌炎等问题，会被政府通过不调查、不做尸检等方式掩盖，尽管VAERS系统报告的疫苗相关死亡远超以往，但官方并不统计。

乔治担忧新冠叙事失效后，会有其他事件替代以进一步侵犯权利，询问美国的情况。雷佩特认为他们在准备多种方案，可能利用经济问题等。乔治猜测是否会故意崩溃经济并归咎于病毒，雷佩特表示这符合他们通过制造场景夺取绝对权力的手段。

对于民众的反抗，乔治提到欧洲已有骚乱，询问是否只有抗争这一条路。雷佩特认为，根本性变革往往如此，政府常以虚假改革安抚民众，如早年的反垄断法看似维护公众利益，实则未损害垄断者利益。

谈及罗伯特·肯尼迪的新书，雷佩特称其深入揭露了病毒阴谋背后的军事、经济和教育等因素，希望该书能畅销。

雷佩特在其名为《免疫学、意识形态与权力》的通讯中提到，德国化工行业支持保罗·埃尔利希的实验，他提出“魔法子弹”理论，即药物应特异性攻击病原体而不伤害宿主，这为制药业奠定了基础，而与他共享1908年诺贝尔奖的梅契尼科夫在演讲中仅提到奎宁一种有效药物，其观点未形成产业，导致真正复杂的免疫系统研究被忽视，此后疫苗和抗体成为医学主流，形成了“一种疾病一种药物”的模式，产生了许多有毒且无效的药物。

关于奎宁，雷佩特称其是一种天然物质，有广泛益处，而苦味物质通常能激活免疫系统，东欧民间医学中苦味化合物用于治疗传染病和作为合成代谢剂。

对于孕酮的使用，若有人出现乳房疼痛等不良反应，可能是甲状腺功能低下所致，需先确保钙、维生素D和甲状腺功能正常，使体温和心率处于良好范围。激素的代谢与炎症相关，肝脏的解毒过程可能因局部炎症而受影响。

- 雷佩特认识的健康老人多是顺其自然饮食，继承了良好的身体基础，而现在激素缺陷者很常见。 - 认为名字可能影响人的兴趣和职业，如研究非语言交流的伯德·惠斯勒等。 - 幽默感可能与代谢有关，动物也有类似玩耍本能，与能量和健康状况相关。 - 左撇子的健康问题可能与代谢和神经症有关，高代谢、大脑发达的人可能更接近左右手通用。 - 雷佩特通过寻找新奇事物保持生活乐趣，不看电视，认为谷歌等搜索引擎难以找到有用信息，可从谣言中解读事件走向。 - 高智商者更易出现神经疲劳等问题，受文化和社会因素影响，研究显示智力过高或过低都可能影响学业成功。 - 健康改善后，对压力源的敏感度可能变化，女性因雌激素在孕期对毒素更敏感，大脑会随年龄增长而生长。 - 墨西哥总统洛佩斯目前抵制为普通儿童接种疫苗，其能否持续取决于外部压力，墨西哥民众多数希望改变美国干预的现状。 - 雷佩特正在撰写关于更年期与能量衰退的通讯，认为生活应顺其自然，仅在为生存所迫时才勉强做不愉快的事。

乔治感谢雷佩特和观众，直播结束。

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And we're live, Georgie Dinkov, Ray Peet. Ray, how are you? It's been two months, feels like forever. Catch us up on everything that's going on with you. Yeah, I'm good. My voice has pretty much recovered from the laryngitis. I mean, do you think it's just the stress of everything and the winter? I mean, I'm in a pretty cold house right now, and I've had to make a lot of adjustments just because of how cold it is.

00:29

I think what started it was eating some bacon that was cured with celery juice powder. It's a very allergenic material. And I think it gradually built up into a generalized allergic reaction that was like an intense cold, as far as my voice was concerned.

00:59

And you're really somebody, the only person I know talking about how really terrible the food supply is and how so many allergens that people think might be benign or not that harmful can cause serious symptoms like you're describing. Yeah, the market is full of good solutions to problems that never existed before.

01:29

Just very intense salt, sodium chloride, is fine for curing pork, making bacon. You just have to then soak some of the salt out of it to make it ready to eat. But many years ago, they found that

01:51

a little bit of the sodium or potassium nitrate or nitrate would give it a pink color and suppress bacteria growth. And so that became the rule. But then when someone discovered that it could be carcinogenic in very large amounts, some crops

02:20

uh… i'd after the other which see the worst ones are but look with the visitors ahead they've got nitrogen fertilizer in commercial abedishable crops uh… vegetable becomes carcinogenic because of the extreme amount of uh… and nitrate nitrite it contains to create an alternative market uh… someone

02:49

the powder the juice of these toxic industrial crops

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and dehydrated the powder, found that the vegetable juice contained enough nitrate and nitrite to produce the pink color that people wanted in ham and bacon. And so that has become very popular now as supposedly a safe bacon, but it has exactly as much nitrate and nitrite

03:25

as the bacon and ham made with the pure chemicals but it also contains the complex extreme allergens that some of these plants have celery juice happens to be on the edge of toxic or early even if you aren't allergic to it but if

03:52

But if you're allergic to it, then it can become extremely harmful. Well, the great news is we don't have to worry about the additives they're putting in the meat because nobody will be eating meat anymore soon. Yeah. So, Ray, everybody's just dying to hear your current thoughts. I know we talk about it every single time, but that's like the primary question everybody's always asking me. Like, what…

04:17

What is new? What is happening? And what is your, or maybe we can even back up a little bit. Like what is, what is going on? If somebody was clueless as to what was happening, like what is going on right now? In the winter and spring of 2020, I was saying essentially nothing is going on.

04:42

At that time, nothing unusual was happening in the world health condition. But the only thing that was happening was a gigantic, highly organized scheme to convince people, to scare people.

05:05

that some deadly new pathogen was circulating. And I forget which newsletter it was, but fairly early in 2020, I described the…

05:27

My interpretation of part of the background was that all through 2019, the germ warfare lab at Fort Detrick

05:44

kept announcing that it was having spills leaking designer viruses into the environment and finally the parent agency I guess it was a

06:07

Department of Health and whatever that shut down what had been known for decades as the germ warfare laboratory.

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and for them to have all of these little stories put into the press over a period of a few months and then to take the step of closing the whole germ warfare laboratory.

06:45

I took that to be very significant. Ordinarily, they completely covered those up, don't have press releases that viruses might be leaking into the environment around Fort Detrick. And then that summer,

07:10

There were cases of novel pneumonia that were blamed on the chemical cigarette substitutes, but they resembled in some ways the virus that later was known as COVID. And then the

07:35

The annual, I think it's the annual Military Games between nations was taking place in Wuhan early fall, I think it was, September or October.

07:58

Athletes, ordinarily the army or military athletes are made up of people training as Olympic competitors who use the military as a way to keep their amateur status.

08:25

And this year, 2019, the Americans were ridiculously incompetent athletes. The historical worst showing of American military athletes since the Games had been done.

08:52

Someone who had worked at Fort Detrick interpreted that the same way that I did, that following a string of highly publicized leaks from the U.S. germ warfare lab, then having the military report,

09:14

circulate among the Chinese in the military competitions. And that just happened to be before the supposed leak from Wuhan. So to anyone who knows the history of American germ warfare,

09:39

That being so open and public about the connections seemed like any sensible potential enemy would have to

09:57

consider the possibility that the U.S. was actually preparing a release in China of their engineered viruses from Fort Detrick.

10:18

The Chinese, I imagine, would have interpreted that about the same way I and many others did, that this was…

10:30

an ambiguous announcement that there could be a germ release in China, but it was so clumsily publicized that the enemy wouldn't

10:53

went to take a chance that maybe it was going to be a real release. They should take some precautions, assuming that it's more than a propaganda scare.

11:09

So that would account for China being ready, having months of announcements, ambiguously making them think there could be a release. So they were highly organized in the way they responded, but their response was extreme, more than anything they had ever done. So…

11:36

although it on the surface looked probably like it was a

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a test, an activation to see what China would do. And maybe if China was extreme in their lockdown, then China would be something to copy around the world. And I think it was within a few weeks of the

12:11

Wuhan military games, that there was a worldwide meeting in New York sponsored by the Rockefeller Foundation, Johns Hopkins University, and many other world powers.

12:35

philanthropists and so on. And in that meeting, they worked out a model of how governments should respond to the release of something like a COVID virus coming in

12:58

In this case, they suggested that South America pigs had spread it through Africa to the United States. But it was a detailed program to reorganize the world. And the Rockefeller Foundation had…

13:25

I think the earliest explicit outline of the things that would have to be done in such a case, and one of the articles was on lockstep, but basically all three of their scenarios are

13:46

showed that the only prevention of the world catastrophe that they had imagined in this event 201, the New York meeting, that the only, all three of their proposals involved

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destroying the old economy to be replaced by an artificial intelligence economy. And that was expressed by Eric Schmidt, formerly of

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Google and related corporations, but at the time working for an artificial intelligence anticipation committee of the Pentagon.

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And early in 2019, he gave this talk, basically saying that the only way to save the world economy was to destroy all of the existing or legacy economies and to prepare for basically the monopoly of giant corporations,

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to take over the world economy, to save it as the old economy was being destroyed. So the same thing is with the Vietnamese village. The captain who had to destroy it to save it from the Viet Cong

15:31

Yeah, and this was being delivered from all directions. Universities, the Pentagon, all of the big foundations had exactly the same story, and it was all coming out in the five years before the pandemic.

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actual event, which was no event at all. The preparations were becoming explicit five years. No, ten years, actually. The Rockefeller Foundation scenarios were in 2011, I think it was. Go ahead.

16:28

Who me? I thought I was going to say something. Were you going to say something? I was going to say that, I mean, at this point, at least in the United States, it seems like the narrative is done. I mean, they may try to push the mandates, but currently they're on hold. So everybody around me, even in D.C., which is probably the city that was most behind the mandates and they were for the lockdowns and everything else and the vaccines. And now nobody's even wearing masks anymore on the street. So where do you think this is going?

17:00

Luckily, we're not going there as fast as all of the ruling class had hoped. Klaus Schwab, the founder and president of the World Economic Forum,

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uh at the very beginning of pandemic he said we were having a lot of success

17:37

changing the world through the fear of global warming. But he said that was promising to take at least another five or ten years to replace the old economy because it had to go through legislatures.

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But he said, “Now this health crisis gives us a great opportunity to move directly into the reset using the authoritarian powers of government health boards.”

18:24

uh… so that you don't have to convince the public act to it elect representatives who will shut down the economy uh… to to have prevent so-called global warming uh… he should be said now we can do it in just a year or two uh… because of the direct uh… controlling power of the uh… other health uh… agencies

18:53

What is that new artificial intelligence economy that Schmidt was babbling about? I mean, I know what he said, but I work in that industry, continue to work in industry, and the whole premise of AI, at least their vision for it, taking over and replacing these workers, it's nowhere near what is being advertised. I mean, at best, it can do maybe 10% of what's been promised.

19:16

uh… you know that but there are very personal hoping to google quickly come along uh…

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according to their plans. But you can see within weeks, Amazon, for example, was making billions, billions of dollars more than previously, just because if you close down local businesses all over the country,

19:50

then people have to shop online. And in Eric Schmidt's talk early in 2019, he said shopping online is a valid recreation. You'll love it.

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But before it had happened, he was saying, aesthetically, it's wonderful and you'll enjoy the new world. While Klaus Schwab was, it sort of backfired. But for a while, their slogan at World Economic Forum was, you will own nothing and you'll be happy.

20:39

Yeah, except them, right? They will own their jets and fly around, but not us. Yeah, they didn't say who was going to own everything, if you aren't. Okay, well, one of their giant plans, you know, worked to some degree, you know, because so many people are vaccinated now. So how does what you just said tie into everybody getting vaccinated?

21:07

Well, the layers and layers of since the vaccine doesn't work

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at all as a vaccine and reduces antibodies for maybe six months, then you have to get new injections. First, you need a third injection, but since that lasts only six months, you need a fourth and a fifth injection.

21:47

Meanwhile, the taxpayers are paying many, many billions of dollars to the people who are selling these toxic injections. And so far, since the law was passed in 1986,

22:15

that the providers of vaccines can't be held liable for anything that happens to the vaccinated person. They're happy to keep receiving tens of billion dollars from the government to keep producing their vaccines, and that will go on.

22:43

It will become an annual or even more often than annual affair to update your vaccine. So we're moving towards a model of mandated consumption of services and products, basically?

23:01

Yeah, yes. The same idea that they've been doing for years in regard to transportation. You are legally required to insure yourself if you have a car license.

23:28

And with the insurance, health insurance, the Obama Act mandated that everyone had to buy insurance or else pay a fine to the government.

23:46

So it was a very small version of the government supporting an industry by simply requiring everyone to buy a car and health insurance. Do you think if the mandate for the vaccination fails, they may turn around and say, you know what, we couldn't make it mandatory, but here's the thing, if you don't vaccinate, we'll cancel your health insurance. We'll force the employer to cancel your health insurance. I didn't hear…

24:17

I mean, I said because Biden's mandate is now at least temporarily suspended. Two courts have ruled that

24:24

that basically there's grave constitutional concerns, there are multiple practical concerns, et cetera, et cetera. And if let's say this mandate through OSHA fails, do you think another option for the government would be, okay, if we can force the companies to vaccinate people, well, basically, because now there's the Obamacare Act,

24:48

and the government is kind of standing behind the whole insurance business, they will basically tell everybody who is not vaccinated, you can no longer, we'll cancel your insurance plan. - Yeah, things like that. I think moving quickly towards more and more direct control, digital currency is one of their goals.

25:16

so that there's no business going on without the authorization of the banks and the government. Ray, what kind of emails are you getting from people being injured by the vaccine? Oh, that's now probably…

25:36

10 to 1 more often than what can we do to protect against a viral infection? What to do after you've been poisoned by the vaccine and listing the kind of symptoms you're experiencing. And those symptoms just being the result of the activation of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, do you think?

26:03

Yes, sometimes directly following the vaccine. Other times, things such as bleeding episodes, sudden series of nosebleeds or dysmenorrhea in women, babies even starting to have vaginal bleeding.

26:31

Just the batteries apparently are being produced by the shedding of the vaccine material, putting the spike protein into unvaccinated people from vaccinated people.

26:55

How big of a concern do you think that is? I mean, is that effectively make staying unvaccinated almost pointless? Because if everybody around you is, then they'll shed it on top of you too? The worst shedding fades out after the first few weeks.

27:16

And so hopefully that amplification through shedding shouldn't get out of control. But it's enough to make a person want to avoid crowds for a long time.

27:44

So basically, since they're now planning for this to be a booster every six months, maybe every six months the unvaccinated should self-quarantine? No, I think they should get together and insist on quarantining the vaccinated people for at least a month. Yeah, let's see how this happens. I would love for this to happen, but I don't see it happening. Ray, what if your significant other was vaccinated?

28:12

Would you think that companionship and love would be worth inhaling the spike protein? I think I would keep my distance for a few weeks. And then do you suspect they might have a placebo? Like this is a big, gigantic experiment, you know? And do you think not everybody is getting the same vaccine?

28:38

No, I think the more or less insiders, you don't want to have famous people disappearing, dying, or having a stroke after getting vaccinated. And so I think they…

29:01

are very selective in avoiding giving anything but a pure water injection to the great majority of the prominent public figures. Those unlucky soccer players. Wasn't there some kind of a ruling, like,

29:23

I don't know if it was a presidential order, but something about presidents of the United States are never to receive medical procedures live on air in front of the entire public just because of no matter how minute the chance is, if the president croaks,

29:38

or gets an anaphylactic reaction and whatnot, that would have devastating consequences and could trigger a collapse, right? So I would take it with a big grain of salt if a president of the United States is taking the vaccine live on TV. Would you say that's a fair assessment? Yeah, not just the president, but probably something like 80 or 90% of people who are very public people.

30:08

And it feels like at the beginning of the year, we're talking about like, should pregnant women get vaccinated? And now it's five to 10 year olds or whatever. And then Fauci just said babies and newborns should get it. Like, did I just make this up? Does it take 30 to 50 years to figure out like the side effects of any given drug or vaccine? Yeah, at least 50 years, because it can be transgenerational.

30:35

cancers take 20 to 40 years generally to develop but the likely DES babies of the 1950s their children three and three and four generations after the DES exposure are still developing that range of

31:03

unique cancers, reproductive system cancers. And do you have any theories on how they'll cover up kids getting myocarditis and dying after being vaccinated? Oh, by not investigating getting them at all. People like Fauci just say the vaccine is perfectly safe. Nothing's happened.

31:29

They don't do autopsies. They don't

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do official investigations to, well, the VAERS report of harmful effects from vaccinations. Well, those reports, which are even more time-consuming to do so that most doctors don't want to waste hours

32:01

hours filling out the reports, even as difficult as it is to file a vaccine injury report, the graph showing all of the deaths from the major vaccines going back 10 years or more,

32:27

are minimal compared to the last two years since the vaccine. It's at least a hundredfold increase in these reports, but they are not happening according to the government because no one is investigating and doing statistics on them. A few individuals

32:55

A businessman named Kirsch has a good video showing you how to go into the VAERS system and look at their data.

33:11

And the graph he prepared is ridiculous. It's a flat line in preceding 10 or more years. Suddenly, the line zooms up very vertically. So it's 100 times as much per year or more than 100 times.

33:38

So what do you think is next in store for the, let's say, just for the U.S.? Because, again, I mean, what I'm seeing around me, and I don't even mention more Republican states, I don't think the COVID narrative works anymore. So something must replace it because people are not afraid of it anymore enough for them to accept further encroachment of their so-called rights, whatever remains of them.

34:04

Yeah, I think they're working on many alternatives. They're talking about the things that could happen to the economy apart from a pandemic. But a lot of ideas are waiting that could be sprung on this any time soon.

34:33

Do you think a possibility will be, I mean, they'll basically crash the economy, literally the stock market and everything else, and they'll say, hey, look, it was because of the virus, but now the damage is so severe, no amount of bailouts will help. So we'll just have to, you'll just have to accept this new model that we have, or we're all toast. They'll just basically tell you the direct story, but the excuse will be different.

34:57

Yeah, that's their business, making up scenarios through which they can take over absolute power.

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Speaking of scenarios, the event 201 that you mentioned, I didn't know that Avril Haines was there, and she was like the director of the CIA. Deputy. And that was in, Ray, I know you mention him very frequently, but Robert Kennedy's, I think his new book, he mentioned that? Yeah, I've read about a quarter of the book. It's a very, very fat book with extremely small types, so it's slow reading.

35:43

But he does a good job of tying together all of the things that are behind the virus conspiracy. It goes very deep into the military as well as economic and education.

36:09

How is his book still being sold on Amazon? That seemed a little bit odd that they wouldn't just immediately take it off. Yeah, I'm hoping that enough people are buying the book to eventually even get it onto the New York Times bestselling list. Is there any part of… Go ahead, Georgie.

36:38

So let's say enough people are already aware of what's going on. Let's say at least half the country knows, right? I mean, we'll see what happens in Europe. I mean, I think the people there also know, and now they're starting to riot, and then the police is starting to use live bullets, you know, on people like in Netherlands and

36:53

and potentially now in Austria and in Germany. I mean, do you think that's basically the only way out? I mean, people will rise up and we'll have to accept that not all of us will make it, but basically it's at a breaking point and going through courts, political systems, et cetera, it's really pointless, it seems. Yeah, that's been the situation with any fundamental change, really.

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that the establishment will always come up with something that looks like a change but isn't at all to distract the voting public from

37:38

putting real change into effect. The antitrust acts early in the century were given so much publicity, many people in the public believed that the government was on their side.

38:02

uh… and was uh… uh… fix fixing the damage done to the public uh… by the monopoly uh… organizations so uh… when they broke them up uh… that

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calmed the population for decades, but it turned out that they didn't reduce the profits made by the monopolists and didn't decrease the rip-offs paid by the consumers. So the antitrust acts were a show. Wasn't that true with Standard Oil as well?

38:50

Same people owned it, but they just had different companies. Completely off topic, but Ray, have you ever seen Everything a Rich Man's Trick, the documentary? What was the name? It's Everything a Rich Man's Trick. Is what a rich man's trick? The documentary is called… Go ahead. Yeah, basically that was what I was saying. I…

39:22

sorry go ahead the government is uh run by the ruling class uh ultra rich and so instead of

39:37

doing anything to harm the ruling class. Periodically, the government is used to put on a show that they're going to knock down the ruling class. But that's exactly a scheme of the ruling class to preserve its position. Roosevelt said his economic reforms were the only thing that would save his class.

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I'm totally blanking on the family's name, but it was like a Russian family and it,

40:13

There were people that overthrew this family in Russia and they took them into like at late at night and they took them into a room and they basically killed the whole family. And that was like a message to these ruling class families. They're like, well, we should subdue the population because we never want this to happen to us. Um, does any of that ring any, any bell at all? It was like some famous thing that sent a message to various ruling classes in different places. Um,

40:41

Yeah, Paul Pott, for example, his idea of the ruling class went far beyond reality. He was ready to kill everyone. Apparently it was Tsar Nicholas. Did that ring any bells? Or the Romanovs? Yeah.

41:13

That's what the revolutionaries did, right? They rounded up the Tsar family and killed them all except the youngest son. Yeah, this movie starts off with that killing being this big point in time. Anyways, Ray, with your newsletter, is there anything we didn't touch on that you think is critical? Because I think we just talked about basically what your last newsletter was about. Which newsletter? What was it called? Immunology, Ideology, and Power. Okay.

41:42

Oh, pretty much that's what we've been talking about. The power of creating a phony concept of immunity. And we talked about the role the antibody theory of immunity has played in creating big pharma vaccines.

42:10

Touch on that, because I know you mentioned it in the newsletter. Yeah, the German chemical industry supported Paul Ehrlich's experiments using dyes, first heavy metals, arsenic, mercury, and bismuth to kill pathogens. But when he showed that dyes…

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had some of the specialized toxic properties of the heavy metal poisons. He used that. A mere harmless dye, supposedly, would have these specific staining properties

43:06

you could see under the microscope that the pathogen would change color under the dye and the host tissue wouldn't be stained or killed. And so he used the chemical dye industry and his argument of specificity, the…

43:34

magic bullet doctrine that a chemical drug medication should have the ability of the magic bullet to seek out, attach itself to the pathogen and not harm the host's healthy tissue.

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It became very dominant in the cancer industry. But it spread, it really created big pharma when the diet industry took over with derivatives.

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of following the staining specificity idea of Paul Ehrlich.

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And for them, the perfect definition of a magic bullet was our antibodies, which had a fairly good ability to stick only to certain things, hopefully external pathogens, and to inactivate them.

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But this was blended with the pharmaceutical ideal that every disease has its chemical treatment of an absolute specificity.

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supported the reality of it was that yes, you can create specific antibodies that are very protective and specific against the specific antigen that evoked the antibody. But it was a general idea

45:42

individualized specific attack against the pathogen ignoring the healthy tissues.

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And the fact that he shared the 1908 Nobel Prize with Metchenikoff, Ehrlich used the opportunity of giving a lecture, Nobel lecture, to sell the idea of drug specificity

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the essential basis for supporting a huge drug industry. And in Metchnikoff's talk, the only chemical treatment he mentioned that he knew of that really helped control or cure disease was quinine.

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And quinine is a natural substance. It happens to have a broad spectrum of benefit, acting somewhat as a tonic to the host.

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as well as an inhibiting action on a variety of organisms. The Masterkoff Nobel Lecture didn't form the basis for creating any kind of industry, and so everyone just forgot about the facts that he described.

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from the things involved in making phagocytosis possible all the way to the other end of the involvement of antibodies. But since there was no industry yet able to deal with the extreme complexity of the actual immune system,

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the actual immune system was dropped out of science after the Nobel 1908 lectures.

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And by 1920 and 1930, vaccination and the development of antibodies became a staple of medicine. And it was analogous to all the rest of medicine provided by the growing pharmaceutical industry.

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everything having to have a unique one chemical, one disease treatment so that in effect as you could imagine

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identify something as a sickness, increase the market constantly for drugs that were specific for that sickness, rather than something like quinine with an extremely broad spectrum of effectiveness.

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They were creating thousands of specific drugs, most of which turned out to be more toxic than beneficial.

49:35

There was a British writer, I'm blanking on his name, who basically wrote once that the British Empire conquered the tropical nations not because of its military acumen or its power or even money, but because of its incredibly healthy tonic water, which was made with a lot more quinine than the one nowadays. Yeah, I think the strongest of the tonic waters available have only 70 or 80 milligrams per liter.

50:06

Just to wrap up this thought, the quinine is an electron withdrawing agent helping to stabilize the flow of electrons? I think that's a basic part of it. It turns out that almost anything bitter tasting has an activating effect on our immune system. Do you have any hypotheses like why that is?

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I didn't hear that. Do you have any theories on why that is? Oh, I think it's the organism's recognition of chemical generality in the world.

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and we develop tastes that usually cause us to eat high carbohydrate foods, for example, depending on our needs, our appetites change. But I think when sickness is developing, the tastes change.

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and people start getting more interested in bitters, digestive bitters for example, are very old general treatment for everything. In the Eastern European folk medicine, bitter compounds are used for infectious disease and for anabolic agents.

51:53

Before the athletes had access to isolated steroids, some of the earliest weightlifting athletes in Eastern Europe and Russia were using local herbs like Tribulus Terrestris, which is extremely bitter in taste. And they didn't even know what it contained, but there are some articles, older articles that are written in Russia that say that the bitter tasting herbs tend to have anabolic effect. Do you think there's some truth to that?

52:21

I haven't seen that older stuff, but there's a lot going on now with the meaning, biological meaning of the receptors for bitter tasting substances. So they tend to stimulate some sort of a detox system in the body, it seems? Yeah, apparently.

52:48

Fantastic stuff. So let me just do a quick advertisement here. The newsletter is available by email now. It's $28, which can be paid through PayPal at raypetesnewsletter at gmail.com. And then they can also purchase your books there in digital and then physical copies as well, right? Yeah, as long as there are physical copies. Which ones are not available right now?

53:13

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53:27

And, you know, I'm interested in these substances having a quick positive effect, but I'm also interested in them having like a person needing to trial and error different aspects of them. So, right. If somebody responds negatively to progesterone, what like they have breast pain with it or something, what what things what could things come to mind as a possibility for that happening?

53:51

A very low thyroid functioning people are the ones who have that kind of reaction. If your thyroid is pretty low, even at one teaspoonful of the vitamin E solution,

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A teaspoonful of it isn't enough to achieve a progesterone effect. Go ahead. The first thing is to make sure your temperature and heart rate are in a good range because of having adequate calcium, vitamin D, and thyroid. Then you're sensitive to smaller amounts of progesterone.

54:49

And the progesterone isn't kicking the estrogen out of the cells and it's deactivated, but it can be reactivated if it passes through an inflamed tissue. Is that right?

54:59

Yeah, all of those circulating things are picked up in proportion to the inflammation. For example, one of the early detoxifying systems involves the liver's attachment of glucuronic acid

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to the substance to be excreted. But it turns out that if you stress a tissue, I tried many different kinds of stresses, low temperature, hypoosmolality,

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various kinds of irritants and so on. Everything I could come up with, especially tissue, caused a tremendous increase in the enzyme that removes glucuronic acid from the substance.

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So your liver can be working very efficiently to detoxify it. But if something is locally irritated and inflamed, the blood passing through there will be subject to modification by the glucuronidase enzymes. Very interesting. Georgie, do you have any other questions before I move on to Q&A?

56:41

And sulfatase as well. Basically, if this estrogen has been turned into ester sulfate, now they've been showing that ester sulfate is the primary estrogen in menopausal women, even though all the others are low. And for a while, they thought that this is just a metabolic waste byproduct of estrogen that is being quickly excreted, but it turns out that it's not. And it's just like

57:07

DHEA sulfate, estrone sulfate, is like a long-term storage form of estrogen that circulates and gets converted into estradiol in any tissue that is stressed or inflamed or, you know, de-energized. Okay, here's the first question. Who is the healthiest person Ray has ever known, and what does he think made them that way? Okay.

57:37

I've known lots of healthy old people who were hardly aware that they had a stomach or digestive organs. They just ate what was available. So a lot of it is the momentum that you inherit from

58:05

And there are fewer people like that now than there were 50 or 60 years ago. Before COVID, when you'd go to the grocery store and stuff, would you notice the millennial and Gen X and Zoomer, how poor the health was of everybody?

58:26

Oh yeah, just walking around town you can see hormonal defects seem to be the rule rather than the exception.

58:46

Great stuff. Thank you for that. Okay. Does Ray have any thoughts on people's names influencing their behavior and personality? E.g. Raymond comes from Frankish ragamund, meaning council protection. And Pete is a moss that was once an important fuel. So Ray's name more or less means protection of fuel. Yeah. Over the years, I've noticed that.

59:12

probably more than 100 famous researchers whose name obviously connected, like Bird Whistle, the nonverbal communication researcher, or Dr. Drips, the menopause specialist. laughter

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Bacon child, the nutritionist. - Do you think this is synchronicity or there's some other influence going on here? - No, no, I think it puts it in their mind, arouses their interest eventually. - They got teased as a child saying like, “Hey, are you gonna be a doctor?” And then, you know, kind of stuck with them. - Yeah.

01:00:11

Very interesting. Okay, here's one from James. He says, is having a good sense of humor as a sign that a person has a healthy metabolism? And are there health benefits to a sense of humor in humans and perhaps some other animals? Well, everything except the cultural influences are very similar between humans and animals in general.

01:00:46

Well, do you think a sense of humor comes from having a good metabolism? Like what? How? I mean, you're you're very playful, right? I think you're hilarious. Like what does that stem from your metabolism or your the culture that you were brought up in or what?

01:01:00

I think a little bit of either. With animals, you can see that simply the amount of well-being and energy drives the playing instinct.

01:01:20

cats, dogs, sheep, simply with sheep, take a break from being normal and passionate and just spend the afternoon dancing and frolicking and being silly. - Especially the lambs, have you seen how they throw their legs in the air?

01:01:47

I didn't hear that. No, I said, especially the lambs. Have you seen how they throw their legs in the air out of pure joy? Yeah, sometimes adults do that too. Really? Yeah. They're pretending they're antelope.

01:02:10

Great stuff. Okay. Ryan says, does Ray have any thoughts on about handedness and its effects on personality and health? I'm reading that left-handed people have a higher incidence of chronic disease, autism, intelligence, et cetera. What is the nature of handedness? I think the, um,

01:02:29

High energy metabolism is pretty much the whole thing. As long as you have some fingers to work with. I imagine cats often envy a person for having

01:02:50

such good fingers they can see that the person can do something because of their anatomy that they would like to do but apart from our physical shape limitations I think the whole thing is is the vitality that supports a big hot brain

01:03:17

and the excess knowledge that goes far beyond necessity and leaves this huge area for playful exploration.

01:03:43

If I heard you right, there's no, like, um, if a person was functioning at an extremely high level, would they be ambidextrous? I didn't hear that. If a person like not on this planet right now, like had a really high rate of metabolism, would they be ambidextrous and handedness wouldn't really be a thing? Oh, to a great extent. Yeah. Uh, the, um,

01:04:10

Russian experimenters found that handedness became extreme when neurosis was developed along with energy metabolism failing. The

01:04:33

healthiest in the sense of a big brain. Females in particular who have bigger brains in proportion to their bodies than males. These excess brain conditions where humanness primarily exists.

01:05:05

Great stuff. Okay, this one is, what does Ray do to maintain a sense of novelty and wonder in his daily life? Looking for it. Looking for a novelty is probably the best way to find it. And you do that by reading or watching nature or what? Always possible. Except watching TV, right?

01:05:39

Yeah, our TV burned out many years ago right after the last of the so-called liberal programs. The guy who was Johnson's press secretary or assistant, he was the

01:06:09

last token progressive or liberal on NPR and the night they cancelled his program our TV burned out. We just haven't thought of TV since.

01:06:31

Speaking of liberal, I caught up with some of my family and Thanksgiving over the phone and my the strong liberals in my family. They hadn't even considered like that. The vaccine would be deleterious to lower socioeconomic types like that. That wasn't even on their radar. Like the vaccine passport would exclude blacks that they apparently care like so much about. But they didn't ever intertwine the vaccine, the vaccine passport with what it would do to them.

01:07:02

Yeah, there are all levels of awareness about vaccines. Usually the believers that people should be vaccinated are the ones who know absolutely nothing about immunity or innate immunity.

01:07:29

Even the descending virologists have been listening to a lot of them. They have the best knowledge being discussed, but they're really…

01:07:53

heavily indoctrinated by the vaccine culture and the antibody culture. But in another way, BLM could be a great movement if they were actually against vaccination and inactivated. Do you know what I mean? Uh,

01:08:13

Say that again. So the, like the liberal people I know, they're very pro BLM, but they, what I meant is like if BLM protested against vaccines, they could actually be useful. Oh yeah. But the motivation of the group seems to be very mixed.

01:08:42

A lot of unprogressive, undemocratic people have kind of infiltrated the group. Okay, next one. How do you get your news, Ray? I mean, presumably mostly online. If the TV burned down, I'm guessing the radio followed…

01:09:08

through similar footsteps and now what only computer or word of mouth occasional rumors and books and things that the situation with newspapers used to be that if you looked for the contrary of what the current

01:09:37

government position was, that would be where the truth was. So you would look for the opposite. And pretty much that's the situation with especially Google, for example, the Google

01:10:02

system has been arranged to make it almost impossible to use ordinary search techniques to find anything useful. There was a Hollywood movie back in, I think it was 2012, I'm blanking on his name right now, but a Nazi officer was interrogating a young Jewish girl that he didn't know was Jewish and he was asking where all the Jews are and she said…

01:10:32

- Yeah, was he in “Glorious Bastards”? Oh yeah, he was interviewing the father, a French guy who was hiding the Jews in the basement,

01:10:38

And the Nazi said, “So tell me, where are all the Jews?” And the guy said, “Well, all I have is rumors. I don't have any facts.” And the Nazi said, “Oh, I don't care about facts. They can be easily manufactured, but rumors can actually be quite revealing.” So he seems to be agreeing with what you said, that you can kind of gauge the attitude and the direction of events just by listening to the rumors that the population is spreading around.

01:11:09

Yeah, you still have to interpret the meaning, who is spreading the rumor.

01:11:22

Great stuff. We'll let you go really soon here, Ray. Just a few more questions. And OK, so this one's from Jan. They say Ray once said incidents of neurotic fatigue, anxiety and depression increased along with IQ. Is it only related to energy and nutrient requirements or is there more to it? E.G. culture, social subordination, isolation.

01:11:43

Yeah, the culture has what it will accept as the…

01:11:56

level of general intelligence and the behavior that follows. So that the, going back decades, studies have found that the IQ of big organizations, the top IQ tends to be in the 120s.

01:12:24

And my favorite study was at Oregon State University. In the psychology department, this person looked at the aptitude scores. They used the Miller Analogies test.

01:12:51

which at that time was given to all entering graduate students and the median raw score out of 100 for graduate students

01:13:08

was usually in the 40% to 65% to 60% errors. That was the average graduate student score, except at Harvard it was more like 60 out of 100, right?

01:13:37

at state universities more like 40 out of 100. And this researcher then looked at their academic record compiled over the years after being admitted and saw that the median score on the Miller Analogy test

01:14:07

was the peak academic success, the straight A's successful academic career and receiving the degree. But exactly as the scores deviated upward from the mean or downward in proportion to the distance from the mean,

01:14:36

the success academically declined. So people scoring in the 80s, for example, were less likely to succeed than maybe someone with 100 or with a 40 score out of 100.

01:15:07

So in other words, the very smart and very dumb are unlikely to succeed in life? Yeah, yeah. There are lots of variations on that, but it does seem to explain life's

01:15:27

The original IQ guy at Stanford, I forget his name, but he did one of the studies showing that the people in the 130s had very good academic careers for the rest of their lives. Those with 170 or 180 IQs.

01:15:57

were the ones constantly under pressure and sensing that they didn't belong. Just two more here. Okay, so as a person's health improves, do they become more sensitive to stressors such as toxic smells, EMS, or bad food? Or since they are healthier, should those stressors not affect them as much? Okay.

01:16:25

One big difference is between men and women. The protective defense against toxins that would affect babies, for example, women are many times more sensitive than men.

01:16:52

And it happens that estrogen is the sensitizer there. So that with the high estrogen of pregnancy, their sense of smell and nausea and repugnance increases.

01:17:17

If you do all these things, you know, you eat well for a period of years and you take thyroid and aspirin and progesterone, et cetera. If your brain got physically bigger and you were not providing it with everything that it needed, would you notice more deviations over time? You might notice little nuances about your body that somebody running at a way lower rate would note or wouldn't notice.

01:17:43

Yeah, and there's been a heavy bias, you know, the idea that the brain stops growing at the age of… When I was in graduate school, it was 11 months from conception that the brain absolutely stopped growing, and it…

01:18:11

simply underwent some maturing changes like increased white matter in proportion to gray

01:18:25

The people who have bothered to check a population over the years doing detailed studies every 10 years, one study went on for 60 years and ended up when there were

01:18:53

technologies making it possible to identify the amount of DNA per brain and so on that found that in almost everyone the brain substance was enlarging steadily with aging and the skull shape changes predictably with aging

01:19:24

apparently growing a slightly bigger capacity of the cranium. Thanks for that. And Ray, absolute last question. I get emails from people every day saying Mexico, Mexico, what about Mexico? Is it safe, et cetera. And so I know we've talked about it multiple times, but can you maybe reiterate your opinion on Mexico and it being possibly semi-immune from all the things that are happening?

01:19:51

Yeah, I was just reading about Amlo's challenge to his judicial system. A judge had ordered the vaccine he made available to children a few weeks ago and set, I think, a five-day deadline. And he…

01:20:17

I definitely oppose that. And there are still conflicts going on in the government, but it looks like he's getting away with saying that the vaccine is too dangerous for children. But it's now available to children over 12 who have a chronic disease and

01:20:45

are arguing that they need extra protection. But for the general population, he's not letting it become available. So I think that he personally is constantly judging how much he can get away with

01:21:11

And a lot of that depends on the foundations and the giant corporations and the U.S. government. If they become more focused in opposing him,

01:21:32

he won't be able to keep doing it. But he so far has been going to have a compromise well enough so that even Trump didn't try to invade. And if AMLO was killed tomorrow, you said something maybe on the call a few months ago that Mexico would retain its spirit. Can you maybe elaborate on that a little bit?

01:22:02

Yeah, the people who elected him, there are really a majority of Mexicans who are very progressive and who are conscious that the reason they haven't been able to go ahead is that the U.S. has intervened.

01:22:25

over and over, including the murder of President Madero and probably other candidates in prisons like Colosio. The U.S. is probably behind that.

01:22:48

the direct intervention short of a military invasion. And so a big part of the population knows that they can't get away with fixing the economy quickly. And then that's it for me. Ray, what are you working on right now?

01:23:15

The next newsletter is going to be around the idea of the menopause and that relating to the failure of energy with aging and what things are involved in the failure of energy, especially as it shows up during the menopause. And Georgie, any final words?

01:23:46

Well, one last question that was actually asked by the people in the list I saw it. Whether Ray thinks there's any value to self-discipline and forming any sort of like useful habits, or do you think a person's best life would be lived spontaneously slash intuitively? Definitely spontaneity. You've done your own energy if you force yourself to work.

01:24:15

Okay. So do you think there's any circumstance in life where basically one needs to sort of exercise their will, feeling that they don't like this, but they kind of have to do it? Or do you think it will be always detrimental? Oh, yeah. Sometimes you have to do something until you can survive without doing it.

01:24:38

So if it has a survival benefit, then it's worth self-disciplining about it, but anything beyond that is self-torture? Yeah, you should only do unpleasant things if you're really forced to do them.

01:24:56

Amazing. Ray, thank you so much. George Yadinkov, thank you. Thank you so much to our audience. These are always extremely fun to do. And Ray, thank you for donating two hours of your time here. Sincerely appreciate it. Stay on the line and everybody have an amazing weekend and we'll talk to you guys soon. And thank you for all the support of this show. Thank you guys so much. Have a safe weekend. Talk to you soon. Okay. Bye everyone.

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