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Okay, General Energy, number 85, and we have Ray P. and Georgie Dinkov on the line. Ray, how are you? Very good. Thank you so much for doing this. Really appreciate it, even with the time mishap. But thank you so much for bearing with us, and I hope you had time to drink your coffee and…

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Yeah, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Anyways, okay. So I've listened to the bits about protein that you've been talking about, and I thought maybe anchoring the show in that would be kind of the most interesting thing. And I'm not necessarily looking for you to tell everybody how much protein to eat per se, but more like –

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I mean, as long as I've been following your work, you've been talking, maybe referencing that 1999 military study, 80 to 100 grams of protein per person. And then occasionally if somebody would ask you, you'd say maybe even more would be better. And so I'm more interested in how you shifted your thinking on this. And so maybe laying that out for us would be interesting. And then I have more questions about it.

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Yeah, it really started in the 1970s. I was volunteering for a free clinic in Eugene and at that time they were burning grass fields, producers of grass seeds for lawns. And everyone had respiratory disease because of the summer constant smoke.

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And I had found that stopping certain supplements had greatly reduced my allergies.

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And so I just suggested that since everyone was taking every conceivable supplement with no benefit at all, I mentioned that to these allergy people at the clinic. And all of them got over their symptoms despite the field burning continuing.

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And then they said, “If that silly idea worked, what other ideas do you have?” I said, “Well, stop eating toxic junk like tofu and bean salad with lettuce and cucumbers.”

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and various seeds and indigestible material, all the stylish things.

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hippie stuff, stop eating that and just try milk and cheese and eggs and meat and a more digestible diet. And so everyone did. And they said, oh, the wonders of a high-protein diet. It wasn't high protein. It was just low protein.

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junk food, basically, uncooked, indigestible materials. So it wasn't intended as an especially high or low protein diet. But for years, people were saying that the rapine diet, which I had never defined in terms of major nutrients, was

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but that came to be called the repeat diet and was considered high protein. But if you're an active person in your 20s, you're very likely to be burning 4,000 or 5,000 calories per day of whatever nutrients. And so 100 grams of protein per

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in a 5,000 calorie diet with lots of carbohydrate isn't a bad ratio at all. So to you, maybe there hasn't really been a change or a shift and maybe that's like a perception of people that are listening because like, I mean, you don't have to broadcast every single thing that you do every day. So maybe, maybe this isn't really new to you. The, um,

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For many years now, we've been talking about restriction of essential amino acids. Cyanine restriction in animals increased their lifespan by 40%.

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And you get an additional percent for restricting cysteine and tryptophan and other essential amino acids. So it's extremely life-extending to limit certain essential amino acids.

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And when you look at something Broder Barnes noticed about 50 years ago, I guess, he tried a high-protein diet. And for years, he had been taking two cranes of armor thyroid every day and increasing the meat in his diet.

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He had to take four grains of armor every day to maintain his functions. And so those two things have been out there as items of interest. The mesiodine restriction and longevity and the antithyroid effect of generally higher protein levels.

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and the life-extending benefits of the immunosuppressive target of rapamycin inhibitors, the rapamycin type of antibiotic, suppresses our growth called mammalian.

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rapamycin. So that explains a big part of the mechanism behind methionine restriction longevity and protein inhibition of energy production in a safe way.

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So you're saying blocking the mTOR pathway is life-extending? The which pathway? Well, the abbreviation that they typically use in studies is mTOR, mammalian target of, yeah. Yeah, inhibiting that is good.

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Well, you know, some of the main arguments of the caloric restriction crowd is that that's precisely why they advocate people eating less, up to like 40 to 50% less of the calories, because that's what…

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Basically blocks the mTOR pathway and activates the PGC1 alpha, I guess, is the opposite one? Well, it isn't actually calories. It's the anti-metabolic effect of those specific amino acids.

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I see. So maybe five or so years ago, you had written to somebody saying you didn't really feel right without like 120 grams of protein. So was that something personal that you had experienced, maybe experimenting with a lower amount, given the situation you find yourself in, and said to yourself that the methionine was maybe more thyroid suppressive than you had originally thought? Around the age of 30, everyone's mitochondria…

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are being suppressed. So your metabolism is much lower after middle age. And that means that it's much more susceptible to being suppressed by those unnecessary amino acids.

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But you're saying if you're young, you could need normal 100 grams of protein or so, but in later age, you don't need as much. You maybe need 50 or somewhere around there. Is that right? Right, right. And the carbohydrate phase go up as you age.

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The ability to metabolize carbohydrates go up as you reduce your protein suppression. Suppression of metabolism. And then what about sick people or just generally people that don't feel well? Should they reduce their protein intake or be conscious of it?

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Well, for example, having fruit juice when you're sick, a very high carbohydrate diet is very protective. A lot of that is because the proteins, even though they're anti-inflammatory for your digestive system, if they're beyond that very low level,

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whatever, 50 grams a day maybe, they're going to slow your metabolism. Let me reframe this. Would this be a useful tool in the toolbox for a person to regain their health back is to try different amounts of protein, including the lower amounts? Oh, yeah. But especially different amounts of carbohydrate and different types.

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And you just reminded me to talk about the grape juice because I think that's really about it. This just reminds me of the experiment the Russians did showing that you can survive and, in fact, thrive on a diet of nothing but potatoes and butter.

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considering that potatoes have all these keto acids and they're basically the rest of it is carbs, would you say that would be a decent kind of diet for an older person or a hypermetabolic person? Oh, yeah. Everyone since Adele Davis, maybe before, have commented on how well so many old people do

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living on tea and toast, for example, or jello and toast. That's the real repeat diet. So what can one do to limit the dangers of starch, even in well-cooked potatoes? Because we don't want that starch, right? Just for energy, if it's well-cooked, or with butter to prevent absorption. Okay. So the butter is the main, like other saturated fats are basically the main protective factor when eating starch?

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Combined thorough cooking with a little butter to assure its breakdown. Ray, for yourself, how did you arrive at the 50 grams? What was that calculation? How did that happen? It's hard to eat less.

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Even with the juices, as you reach a gallon of orange juice, your protein is going up considerably. And that's fairly difficult to do. You probably have to modulate your milk intake and meat and things like that. Yeah, even though the calcium in milk…

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helps to keep your thyroid function going. You have to, at first, somewhat limit your milk and cheese and egg intake and even well-cooked vegetables. You can…

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Some of them have a little lower messianine content. And then was the grape juice useful for this new experiment? I don't know how new it is, but the things you're doing now, because to maybe offset with the huge amount of carbohydrate you would need to increase it. Yeah, it does have a huge amount of carbohydrate. You have to be careful because it can osmotically…

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upset your digestion. The grape juice? Yeah, I can only tolerate two or three ounces at a time. Oh, interesting. And so I guess you're just, like, how many carbohydrates are you, again, I'm not saying this so everybody should do it. I'm just curious of what you're doing. Maybe you're eating well over 500 grams or so?

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Oh, just about in that range, 500 or 600, I think. Mainly from orange juice? Oh, no. A lot of very well-cooked vegetables, just for taste variety. I just can't gag down that much grape juice and orange juice.

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And then I promise we'll move on. But how has this changed your liver consumption and your egg consumption? Like, do you eat less liver each week? Very, very much less. Like one or two ounces? Currently, it's hard to get good organic liver, such as chicken liver. And so whenever that's available, we'll have some chicken livers with bacon,

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but that might be only once in two months. Oh, well. But maybe if the butcher in Oregon had liver, would your preference be to, or ruminant liver, would your preference be for that? It's just not available given all the crazy things that are happening? I don't know.

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The little chicken livers with bacon are very pleasant. Fair enough. That's a good answer. I think that settles it. But why would the change in dietary, in the macro ratios, change the intake of liver for you as well? You feel like you need less? I feel like I need less. Okay. But liver is a huge source of methionine, right? Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, really early on, probably 10 years ago, you know, I think I ate eight ounces of liver and I felt real cold afterwards. And then the next day felt especially hypothyroid. So it might be just good for posterity. What the methionine, like what is the specific mechanism that it's suppressing the thyroid function? Or is it doing lots of different things? Lots of things. I don't know what to…

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most important mechanism is

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Fair enough. And we can move on and Georgie interrupt me at any time here. Something I've noticed, maybe you had mentioned it a long time ago, that people with like a physically larger brain might notice symptoms really quickly. Like they have really high energy requirements. And if those requirements weren't met, they would notice it and like kind of nuanced symptoms about their health. And, you know, that idea, I keep thinking about it because the people I talk to are all people

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really interesting. They're all interesting people with interesting ideas with different backgrounds. And I, I would bet that they're very, I mean, I mean, I know they're intelligent and, and so, but some of the smartest people will notice like the tiniest little defects in their body. And so I was wondering if you could just speak about brain metabolism and then noticing symptoms. Yeah. The brain, uh, uh,

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requires, in an absolute sense, a steady supply of glycogen and glucose. And so just excited thinking can consume really large amounts of sugar. And checking your blood pressure

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It's called the pulse pressure or the difference between systolic and diastolic pressures. If everything is running smoothly with enough blood sugar, you'll have a systolic that's at least 50 points higher

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about 50 points higher than diastolic, very often lower. But if you're having a problem with your glucose, you're going to have increased difference with maybe 75 points higher systolic than diastolic. And

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If you get in that condition from excitation or whatever cause, anything that depletes your systemic glycogen, and by checking your pulse pressure frequently and increasing your glucose and starch intake considerably,

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every few hours checking it and having more glucose. You can tell when you have replenished the glycogen source because suddenly your difference between systolic and diastolic will come down to 40 or 45 points difference.

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Wow. That's a useful to know. And then on, in the same kind of a line of questioning, would you expect somebody that had a real low rate of metabolism and maybe had, I mean, we all have imperfect development, but somebody with like a physically smaller brain or something that had three vaccines and just taking finasteride and stuff and says they don't notice the difference, but like maybe somebody that's running at a really low level would not notice these like toxic insults that are happening at every moment of the day to them. Like, uh,

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Could that equally be true? I think it is. People that take SSRI drugs are basically very prone to not only self-harm, but also getting wounds that sometimes they sit there and fester because they ignored them, they never felt the pain, and they couldn't disinfect them. So people with high serotonin, I think they tend to experience higher emotional pain, but they're numbed at the extremities.

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And I've noticed several people around me that are taking these drugs. They often have these wounds and scrapes on them that look pretty ghastly. And they only notice them when I point them out. They claim they didn't hurt when they actually happened. Yeah, that sort of thing eventually is corrected by keeping your thyroid chronically a lot higher.

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And then keeping in line with the things I'm learning for the people I talk to, I'm probably talking to like four people right now that can take 200 milligrams of progesterone and it has no effect whatsoever, but they all seem to uniformly benefit from antibiotics, like specifically the tetracyclines or the macrolides. And so, but they don't necessarily have digestive problems per se. And so clearly they're, or maybe they're benefiting from the antibiotics anti-inflammatory effect, but

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And then, again, I know this is kind of redundant because you've talked about this a lot, but what do you think is a good approach or strategies for somebody that might have a nitric oxide problem, you know, if that's what's going on, and their liver is not maybe responding to the huge amount of progesterone? Would small amounts of T3 be useful, like one or two micrograms per hour?

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I think so. And it all works. Everything that you have to regulate with, nervous system, hormones, digestive enzyme balance, and so on, all of those are involved so that you're…

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your cholinergic nervous system activity and your adrenergic system are activated in different ways.

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The helplessness, cholinergic reflexes interfere with everything good so that you make more nitric oxide, for example, and slow things down and cause inflammatory damage.

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Is there something I'm not thinking of that would be useful for that situation? Like, oh, I have an experience with this person writing me that they overcame that situation with X, Y, Z? Or is it like a… Go ahead. Looking at the whole picture and seeing which you're in most desperate need of,

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What about the tool in the toolbox of reducing protein? Would that be especially useful for somebody maybe with like a – do you think what I'm describing is liver disease, like a person not responding to the progesterone? Yeah, and that can be a quickly repaired thing by getting the glycogen up.

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The liver turns off, just like the brain, if it hasn't stored enough glycogen. And that is a matter of two or three days often. So for liver disease, glycogen should be the top priority. And glycogenesis can't happen without T3 and progesterone and enough carbohydrate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Since you mentioned the cholinergic system, do you think that's the main risk of people using nicotine besides its many beneficial effects? The problem is that it is the direct activator of the acetylcholine receptors. The problem with using which? Well, several people have asked you about using nicotine from tobacco.

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Oh, yeah.

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I think that's likely. It's part of your cholinergic system, and you can't be sure how the nicotine is going to fit into the anti-inflammatory system. It has that potential, but it can do the opposite, too, and turn on cancer metabolism.

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Okay. Why do you think the tobacco consumption is so widespread among indigenous cultures, especially the ones that are in the Americas? It has its stimulating value. It psychologically can tone things up and make you function better.

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Okay. So it's mostly as a stimulant, as a widely available stimulant for… Yeah, I think so. Okay. Just going back to the glycogen for a second. Does methionine… Two things I know you've mentioned that can deplete the liver of its glycogen, the estrogen and maybe the serotonin, and maybe they're working on the same mechanism. Does the methionine… How does that relate to the estrogen and the serotonin? Does that tend to increase them? Yeah. Yeah.

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It has a demobilizing function. The methyl groups are in a constant bout. There's been too much emphasis on people who don't have enough methyl groups and not enough on the danger of an excess methyl pressure.

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So in addition to the methionine and the insulinogenic effects of the protein, that could be a slippery slope for a person with an under-functioning liver. Okay, just a few more and then we can talk about cultural things. And Ray, I'm not going to keep you too long. And so the other thing that's completely unrelated, Ray, lidocaine as a topical for hair loss, what do you think about that?

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It's generally self-protective, and I don't know anyone who has tried it, but since it works for all kinds of…

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very serious conditions, even helping with cancer and brain injury. It's almost always a good thing to try. It prevents energy waste.

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And so working at a simple level of available energy, that makes everything better. And then I have at least one paper in regards to so-called pattern baldness, you know, and they say investigation should be done on mast cell inhibitors for pattern baldness. And so obviously the lidocaine would help with that, right? Mm-hmm.

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And the whole world wants me to ask you about the massage thing. And so what everybody is asking, what is he specifically talking about? Like what type of massage? So in my point of view, the massage ideas that were going around were like, don't stop until your head is inflamed and red and has like obvious inflammation in it. So what type of massage were you thinking about that you thought could increase hair growth? Oh, yeah.

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Just a very gentle massage, such as gently rubbing oil into it. You don't want to cause inflammation. And the mechanism there might be, obviously it feels good, but maybe increasing the blood flow to the area, that is a problem with the hair loss?

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Yeah, feeling good is the good way to increase blood flow. If you increase blood flow by irritation, that's because you're doing damage that causes lactic acid production and blocking good energy production.

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So a very soft, stimulating, pleasure-giving massage is the opposite of a rough, irritating massage.

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Thanks for that. And last question for me, and then we can move on. Maybe you can concur, but the most common thing with thyroid dosing with Sinoplus and Sinomel is overdosing. Maybe once a week, somebody tells me I started with a tablet of Sinoplus and a tablet of Sinomel, just like as a starting dose. And so I have a few questions for you about this. So

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So one, we've talked many, many times about maybe 10 micrograms of T3 being kind of a limit for dosing thyroid or maybe even an arbitrary limit and using that with a meal. When you take 15 or 20, what maybe you had said previously that the liver creates enzymes to destroy it really quickly. Maybe you can just expand on that a bit.

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Yeah, so after a couple of weeks of doing that, you are, after maybe 10 or 12 hours after that,

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Overdose, you have plunged to a hypothyroid state. And if you're dosing it only once or twice a day, those ups and downs become really extreme and can do things like stopping your heart rate when your thyroid dips sharply.

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And then just because we've been talking about it so much, for a person with liver disease, in your experience and from what you've read, do they tend to do better on smaller doses of T3 or bigger doses? Oh, smaller. I think no one should supplement thyroid until they've read at least one of Broderbarn's books.

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Maybe the, the, it's not your mind, it's your liver, the hope for hypoglycemia. Yeah. I think they just started reprinting that as a side note. Um, and shoot, I had another question about the teeth. Oh, do you think it's a good idea to like, I've, I've seen the overdosing stuff so often that I started recommending people by $20 milligram scales. And as annoying as that is, I'm just worried about people taking too much. And so if they measure, uh, uh, uh,

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tablet of Sinomel, which is usually about 100 milligrams, and then they do that cross-reference math, and then they find the microgram dosage. Do you think that's a good way to do it, or is that too, is that crazy? I'm not sure whether they're actually going to be getting the right amount of C3 if it's well distributed in the tablet.

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I think powdering a Cytomel tablet and figuring that you're taking two or three micrograms at a time, you're in the least danger of having a suppression.

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So that's good to know. So I did not know that. So you think there could be like a huge amount of T3 on one side of the pill and not enough on the other side? It's just conceivable. Very interesting. I appreciate you pointing that out. And then once it's powdered, if a person wants to go for accuracy, they could measure it?

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Yeah, but I would tend to go by the label. If it's Sinomel or Cytomel, I think you can count on the amount per tablet being accurate. But none of the generics that I've tried has been reliably the potency that they claim.

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But once you powder a Sinomel tablet, if somebody was in a precarious situation and they're like, okay, I'm going to try two micrograms, how do you even go about doing that? You'd have to have a scale, right? Just by visual judgment, you powder a 25 microgram tablet and divide it into 10 apparently equal pieces.

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Okay, fair enough. But do you think, I know you're maybe resistant to recommending like a super complex type of thing, but like, do you think that's a, if a person wanted to go for like, like very accurate doses, do you think that's a bad idea to do the scale? Is that like a, would that not be as accurate as the person thinks it is?

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It's misleading because your body isn't that accurate. Mm-hmm. The body responds very differently every time. There's no scale equivalent in the body. It's always a new experience for the body. Mm-hmm.

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But what you're saying is it's basically impossible to get an accurate dose of thyroid and you just have to go off feeling, which I can accept. By the feeling, right? Temperature, pulse rate, and feeling. Okay, fair enough. Okay, I guess we'll let you go really soon here, Ray, but I just wanted to catch up on the cultural stuff. So,

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Maybe, I don't know, three, four months ago, we asked you, are things still going to plan? And I just wanted to get your update about that. Do you still think things are going to plan? Not our plan, the oligarch's insane psycho plan. Which things?

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Like the things you're seeing right now with the war and kind of the rallying about monkeypox and everything that's happening, and then the Fed starting to talk about the digital dollar and servers being online in February 2023. I guess sometimes a person will say, hey, I think their plan is failing. So do you think that? Is that your orientation, that things are not going well for them? Oh, yeah, they're…

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Everything they're doing is becoming stupid and obvious, but they have rigged it so that stupid and obvious aren't impediments to going ahead. The banks say that there's simply no…

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to digital money and they're just going ahead with it according to plan that takes time

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to write all of the programs to manage all of the money in the world on a mass stereotyped manner so that no one has actual money but everyone is on the

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retainer a certain allowed amount of money as soon as they can write the programs to administer that they're intending it to come out in something like two or three years just to get the bank machinery set up to do it but even though it

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Everyone who thinks about it realizes it's absolutely evil, deadly, going to ruin the whole ecosphere. They have created essentially mass dementia, an epidemic of dementia,

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in which people can't even begin to think about how to get out of that deadly fate.

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So, a more direct question. As you now see, I mean, I'm sure you've seen, Russia and China are basically, have solidified their union. Russia has said, we're done with the West. It's over. They're about to start their own currency. The BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, and China, the organization, and now they've added more to that organization, is also about to launch kind of its own currency backed by commodities.

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What do you think is going to happen over the next six to 12 months in the West without food and potentially without raw materials for energy in Europe and maybe even in the United States? Are we looking at a, I don't know, mass famine event here in the States in the next six to 12 months?

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Yeah, the production of grain by Ukraine and Russia is still there, so that the worst of starvation in the southern world can be alleviated, but everything is going to be under control.

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maximum tension and the only thing that is keeping away a sort of terminal starvation condition is the success of the Russian Chinese Third World Axis. They are

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on the threshold of a successful world economy. And the main danger of that is that the West can't see any non-demanded solutions. And so they're increasingly likely to resort to nuclear weapons projects.

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So we're basically looking at World War III because the West is now out of options. I just don't see what does the West have remaining. Obviously, they're going to try to go full fascism first just to keep the population under control. But still, that doesn't resolve the immediate situation, which is the economy of the West is done. There's literally almost no productive activity left here.

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So do you think that, I mean, basically that now with the Federal Reserve raising interest rates and the economy formally, not that there was much of it remaining before, but even now the fake money is going to disappear or at least significantly be curtailed because of the higher interest rate. Do you foresee things getting rougher over the next six, 12 months? Or do you think there's some kind of an opportunity for improvement?

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No, I think the West is just committed to everything getting worse.

42:39

Wow. Okay. Ray, you echoed – I'm kicking myself because I can't remember this reporter's name, but he's in the Ukraine, and he basically said that Ukraine is getting slaughtered by Russia right now. Then he thought the US would then send in troops. They would also get slaughtered. And then the only thing the US could do is because they never apparently said they would not do a first strike, that they would use nuclear weapons. Do you think that is like a plausible scenario? Yeah.

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Yes, the state of dementia that they have created for themselves leads almost inexorably to that. Was that Gonzalo? Yes. He's really funny. Yeah, I mean, he's… Does your animal instinct, the first signal system, does it tell you right now that the West is done?

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Yeah, I never hear Lyra say anything wrong.

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He is extremely compelling, and him being close to the action is also pretty useful. He had another one saying that – we've talked about this on the podcast before. But the Americans have such a strong normalcy bias that they can't see what's coming right around the corner. And I feel like I experience that every day. I feel like this is wartime, but I don't think –

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I'm not saying people should have my crazy attitude or whatever, but people seem like they're kind of complacent or think because we're in a reprieve from this crazy, like masks are disappearing and stuff, that things are going to get better. But I mean, if he's right, things are just going to get significantly worse fast, like really quickly within the next six months or so.

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Yeah. Approximately the schedule I think is inevitable. Have you bought any canned food that can last you a few months? No. The cans are a nuisance. Getting a barrel of coconut oil

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and some powdered milk and a lot of grains. And sugar, right? George said and sugar, right? And sugar. And powdered sugar, basically white sugar. And the low-protein stuff is actually pretty useful entering into a dystopian future. Exactly, right on time. Also, less eggs. Oh, we didn't really talk about that, but has your egg consumption also decreased?

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Yeah, the good thing about the carbohydrates is that they're cheap, will continue to be quickly produced, and are easy to preserve.

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So if you just avoided the methionine, the PUFA, the iron, all the food additives, even walking into a dystopian future, you could probably feel relatively okay. Possibly. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay. I've talked to, I mean, because I always try to see the, you know, the arguments of the other side. So I, over the years, ever since this whole thing, the craziness with the pandemic started, I tried to talk to some moderates and some people really, you know, the other extreme. And over the last two years, everybody that is, that was moderate, that was willing to consider that maybe, you know, there was some nefariousness, but, you know, they're trying to kind of like buy their time and see how things go. Every single one of these people has been so-called red-pilled, have moved towards, you

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The side that says, wow, things are really bad. And then the people who used to be simply optimistic now have become extreme to the point that they don't even want to be bothered. And whenever you bring stuff up about like potential world war or anything like that, they just refuse to listen, which to me saying that we are living in very extreme times.

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One last thing about the nuclear war. There's nothing to do about that. Like if they, I mean, if they use nukes, like there's no amount of, I mean, have you made any preparations whatsoever if that happens?

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Just to drive south as quickly as possible. Or towards the middle of the country where they probably wouldn't waste the new calm? Yeah, but the clouds will concentrate over the northern hemisphere, so the farther south you go, the quicker, the less likely you are to be quickly killed. The closer to the equator, the better?

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Yeah. In Mexico, would you have to go to Chiapas or would Michoacan be the best place to be for that? Yeah, I think for the present, Michoacan is good. High altitude, moderate rainfall.

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What will be some remedies potential for low-level radiation exposure? Obviously, if it doesn't kill immediately or cause cancer over the next year, what could be some things that could decrease the long-term damage? Using fossil, if you have a greenhouse, heating it with fossil fuels is

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so that you avoid such things as strontium fallout and get stable calcium and avoid the frequent things that

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are very quick to absorb radiation, avoid vegetables that are growing right after the fallout. - But that would include also animal food, right? 'Cause the radiation will concentrate it in their bones and brain and the fat tissue? - Yeah.

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And so old food is used in old stores of dehydrated or canned foods. They're the first to use.

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Okay. Last thing for me, one of the common retorts, if I'm talking about Mexico with somebody, is that they don't want to go because of the cartels here. You know what? In a dystopian future with a nuclear radiation sea, what do you see the cartels function as when things get really bad? Do you think they would take over Mexico and it would be really bad? Or would you prefer that over some kind of digitized prison in the U.S.? Like you have to pick your poison or what do you think about that?

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Oh, the cartels are just effectively capital, so there's not going to be anything particularly bad about what they do. I think they only exist because there's a huge market up north, right, and they're controlled by the CIA. If these things disappear, the cartels will have to find another job, which probably involves working the land and doing something productive.

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Yeah, they've turned to things like avocados instead of drugs. You don't think it would turn into kind of an organized mafia type of thing, just like crime? I mean, that will probably just happen everywhere if things get really bad. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

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And then also Progest-E from Keenogen. You can email Catherine to purchasekeenogen at gmail.com. Each bottle of Progest-E is 3,400 milligrams of progesterone. And Ray, do you have any recent progesterone stories from people saying that it did this or that? No, nothing special I've heard. I usually have one in the can, but I can't think of anything. Georgie, do you have one? No.

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Yes, I do. I have a person who lives in Europe who's been emailing me and basically they got diagnosed with what the doctors thought were benign tumors in the liver. And then they did a biopsy and turned out one of the nodules was actually malignant. And then this person really freaked out. I think he bought Ray's Progesterone or had it from before and basically took the equivalent of about a teaspoon daily, I think for two weeks,

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And then they went back and then basically the malignant nodule had completely disappeared. And then of the four remaining nodules that were basically proven benign, three had also disappeared and the last one had shrunk to the size of a pinhead. And after another two weeks, that one was gone as well.

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Amazing. Hey, Georgie, Ray, thank you so much for doing this. Ray, stay on the line. We'll close the show. We have an amazing listenership. Thank you guys so much. We only had Ray for an hour today, so we're not going to exceed that. Thank you guys so much for bearing with us and have a great weekend. We'll talk to you guys soon. Okay. Bye, everyone. Okay. Bye.

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OK, General Energy number 82 with Ray Pete and Georgi Dinkov. And Ray, you were just saying you were reading about the war. And so I'm sure to the the chagrin, is that the right phrasing to everybody that hated the last time we talked about this stuff? I do want to talk about Ukraine and Russia once again. So give us I don't know, give us maybe an update of your just your your point of view and everything you've learned or that's transpired since then and where you think this is all heading, etc.?

00:28

I actually think it's all a piece with the pandemic. I think all of it was planned out years ahead to do anything to destroy the economy so that the monopolies will have total power.

00:56

And so like a planned out war, do you think if they said, oh, if we do this, then Russia will do that? It's like that planned out to a T? Yeah, I've read two or three articles, different people predicting exactly what's happening now in Ukraine and Europe eight years ago. Oh, wow.

01:22

Do you think China and Russia are also kind of benefiting from this war too? They're using it to cover their own political and economic problems?

01:29

Oh, definitely. The likely outcome, if they don't resort to nuclear war, will be for Russia and China to totally dominate the world economy. And that's why the World Economic Forum class is in such a panic now for at least 10 years.

01:59

How close do you think we are to nuclear war? What is the likelihood of that happening in your point of view? Oh, the chances within the next two hours are moderate and increasing from then unless…

02:21

you know, unless there's a dramatic reason for settling and establishing peace in Ukraine. What did something happen like a few hours ago or today or yesterday? No, just the last several days. Everyone's intention has been expressed. And the, the,

02:49

They are starting to realize that Russia so far has definitely been winning and that they're on the threshold of totally losing the empire and for the whole world to start reorienting around the Asian economic system.

03:20

Something we might have touched on last time we talked, but I have since done a mild amount of investigation into, but apparently the CIA was like supporting all those white nationalist groups in the Ukraine. And so maybe we didn't touch on the CIA connection. You know, we've been talking about the CIA for at least a little while now. And do you…

03:40

what do you think about that? Like, does that make the whole situation a little bit more clear if a person is under the impression that the CIA is kind of the tool of the ruling elite and then they've been for 50 years supporting the white nationalist groups in the Ukraine? Yeah. And remember when we talked about World War II and the outcome of why the Cold War started, right?

04:09

the Dulles' and Bush's and the Banker class in general was working creating Hitler for their basic purpose since the First World War the basic purpose of the ruling class is to get access to

04:37

Russia's resources without the Russians. That's been on the record for a long time. The Germans had the documents saying that the Russians who couldn't be slave labor would be sent off to starve in Siberia.

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So essentially eliminating the population so that Germany could have the resources, but the United Kingdom and the U.S. weren't happy with that falling solely under the Germans' control. So they worked with Hitler-supported countries

05:30

his war against Russia to the extent that they figured they could destroy Russia and then take on Germany.

05:41

And all of that was in place behind the scenes during Roosevelt's management of the war. Both England and the U.S. were stalling month after month, joining the war. Stalin said…

06:10

Was it raining too much for you to invade the continent? And finally, when they saw that Russia was just driving straight through to the west, that was when they invaded to stop the Russians halfway through.

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And just instantly when Roosevelt died, that faction represented by Harry Truman

06:45

was in control. And so since Truman, the support of the Nazis and working with the Nazis everywhere, Ukrainians and Hungarian fascists, Polish fascists, everyone who lost their power temporarily in Europe moved to

07:13

North America mostly, Canada and U.S., and now those people are adding their way to American policy. The Ukrainian fascists have been in business right since they allied themselves with Hitler during the war.

07:42

Just to be clear, I think we have talked about this before, but Nazism, the huge problem with it, in your view, is the eugenicist aspect of it. Because, again, if you like Trump now, you're like a Nazi or something. So just to clarify that term.

07:57

No, it's a whole scheme for the World Economic Forum type, the absolute ruling class, to control everything, not just genocide is just something along the way to make that happen.

08:26

happen and become stable. But it's an idea of ruling the world. And then, Georgie, interrupt at any time, a comment I received multiple times after last conversation was like, what is Ray talking about here? Isn't he anti-war? And so how do you… A few days ago, Trump put out a statement saying that

08:55

And for the good of the world, peace has to be established in Ukraine. And he's supporting two anti-war candidates for Congress. And so part of his being called a Nazi is that he's against war. Mm-hmm.

09:20

But I guess in the empire game, there isn't really a way to be a pacifist. I know you don't think… Do you think violence is necessary or maybe for the elites to use violence? I don't know. What do you think about that? You're not happy that people are dying in the Ukraine or Russia, right? No. The sooner they can stop it, as Trump said…

09:50

Peace in Ukraine is the central world issue right now. Yeah, but at the same time, without this war, the empire would have relentlessly continued subjugating and crushing everything in its path. Yeah, Putin has said that the outcome looks like it's going to be ending the Western hegemony. And what do you think that will manifest as? Yeah.

10:20

Well, if the without the the Asian and the Russian and the Indian economy, if they form a new center and if that's the new economic center, what is the Western world going to do with what it's what is collapsing slash non-existent economy? I mean, wouldn't that mean collapse? And in that case, the elite loses its power.

10:40

I'm afraid it will turn into something much less than a third world, that the Shah of Iran might be a model for the government of the West.

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But why – I mean if there's a widespread economic collapse, in other words, if basically – where is this power of the elite – what is it going to be based on if all of their money suddenly is worthless? I mean all of their possessions abroad will probably be confiscated as Russia has already started doing. Chinese will probably follow suit soon enough. And then if basically the world dumps the Western model, doesn't the power of the elite disappear as well? The only thing they have remaining is weapons. Right.

11:32

Oh, they'll declare the common people their enemy, like the Shah of Iran did. Oh, wow. So basically they'll start cannibalizing each other as a way of maintaining power? I think so.

11:52

Not the first time we talked about this. Where does Israel play into this whole empire game? Do you see them as just kind of regulating the U.S.'s activities, or how do they work into what's happening right now? They are leaders in insisting that there are no Nazis in Ukraine. Even though the leaders of the Azov

12:20

fly swastikas and declare that they have all of the German Nazi symbols and salutes and phrases. And so it's impossible to say that they're not Nazis. But Israel is saying, since they aren't having Germans

12:49

Jewish genocide, at least not on a large scale. They can't be Nazis. That's the extent of Israel's reasoning about Nazism. But they are practicing genocide against Russians. So they right now

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aren't focusing on Jews, though they probably will eventually. But people in Israel are talking about the Ukraine as the new Jerusalem, historically arguing that it's an extension of Israel.

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Is that a prophecy thing? Yeah, I think it's the whole thing about the New Jerusalem thing.

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I haven't, I've been hearing about it for many decades, but I don't really, I haven't investigated what the theological side is. Oh, well, I didn't know that. So this could be part of a whole, like a biblical or Talmudic type of thing? This whole, yeah. It's shocking to find that stuff. Go ahead, George.

14:12

A little bit back to the war, I mean, I keep coming back to this theme that if basically if the West uses control of the world financial markets and of the world's productive resources and activity, then what is even the elite going to do with all of its fake money? I mean, how are they going to get the things they need if almost nothing is produced in the developed world anymore?

14:36

Isn't war essentially their only resort, basically, third world war? I think their plan is to use the military to control the basket of deplorables. Us, basically? Mm-hmm. Okay.

15:03

So it will turn, just like you said, the Shah of Iran basically will be brutal dictatorship, the so-called Western world, and then food will be rationed or non-existent altogether? Is that kind of where things are going? Yeah, if you're a well-behaving robot, then your bank account will show enough for food. Okay.

15:26

So we were talking about that a little bit before we hit the record button. I think people really don't like when we talk about this stuff, but don't offer any type of solution. And so we kind of understand the chess pieces that are being put in place in terms of like a digital ID and not being able to obtain food. And so I guess, how are you inoculating yourself from those types of things? Or what would you tell other people to maybe think about? Oh, go ahead.

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Like several people on the Internet are giving instructions on how to make your own food if necessary, growing it in your windowsill and on your roof and front yard instead of a lawn and so on. And are there, from your point of view, are there things you could grow that are calorically dense enough to really make a dent in a person's diet, I guess?

16:21

Potatoes, really on a moderate plot of land. Some of the fairly high-calorie root vegetables. And just, I know we've talked about it before, but to run through them, like sugar, maybe buying gelatin, ghee, what else? Yeah, it's good to have a few years of that stuff stored up.

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Maybe get a few beehives for them to produce honey? Yeah, if you have nearby vegetation that they can eat. Do you think they'll allow, again, I'm asking you to speculate here, but do you think they'll allow the cities to just become completely chaotic? Like a lot of those, maybe the Fabian Society, they have a motto of order through chaos. And so how crazy do you think they would let it get?

17:20

I think the police have the resources to keep everything, a lot of dead dissenters and other things, peaceful. Okay, well, we can move on here unless, George, you have other questions. But we didn't talk really about the vaccine stuff last episode. And so a lot has transpired, I think, since then. And so there are

17:47

You're probably familiar with them more than I am, but haven't some major landmark studies come out saying that the – something we've been talking about probably since the beginning, that the spike protein would not be localized, that it would venture into every part of the body and cause harm? Is there anything you've learned since the last – two months ago, last time we talked, that is interesting about the vaccines? Oh, the –

18:11

The weight of the evidence is that Bhakti and Yidin were essentially right that it isn't just a temporary thing.

18:27

risk of death, but that it's a very prolonged, maybe lifelong or transgenerational risk of degenerative disease and death. Did you see the new studies of the deadly hepatitis in children? I didn't get that.

18:53

Over the last week, there have been news from all over the world, actually from multiple countries, about the, you know, identification, a worrying rise of cases of hepatitis in children of unknown origin. And basically, it's so severe that about half of the children require liver transplants and some children have already died. Oh, yeah. No organ is exempt.

19:20

And autopsies, not very many, but extremely clear evidence, microscopic and macroscopic evidence in the autopsies of continued presence of the spike protein months and up to a year after the vaccine and evidence that they died of the vaccine.

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with remote organs. The blood vessels being infected by the spike RNA produced the antigen spike and the immune system

20:12

kills the lining of the blood vessels that are infected. And so there's a prolonged, maybe lifelong attack of the immune system against your own blood vessels, leading to clots and having microscopic or macroscopic clots in the various vessels can create a wide spread

20:41

a variety of very nasty diseases. - Are you familiar with the condition Kawasaki disease?

20:50

I'm not very familiar, but I know it's a clotting disorder. Yeah, it's a chronic inflammation of the blood vessels. And basically, the cases of this have been rapidly rising again over the last two years. And they're claiming they don't know what's causing it. Do you think the vaccines are capable of causing that? Oh, I think any vaccine is capable of causing it. Just injecting…

21:18

aluminum hydroxide affects the brain the particles travel not just into the bloodstream but up the nerve axons into the brain cells themselves modifying the brain so that the brain creates ongoing inflammation

21:44

Kind of a weird question, but do you think the vaccines are more effective than the ruling elite thought or less effective? Probably more effective than they imagined in their design in the sense of killing people. And you think that multi-schedule thing is to obscure the harm that they're doing or…

22:22

You're just saying that that whole mechanism is kind of a slow death, or it's going to accelerate any age-related problem the person happens. And so that's why it's a little bit ambiguous what specifically is going to happen to a person when they get one of those. If you look at the newest information, both from the UK and some coming out of the U.S.,

22:49

The more shots a person has, the more likely they are to die or be hospitalized or be infected.

23:00

One group of studies showed that with the two shots and a booster, you were twice as likely to die or be hospitalized. The others in the UK show a three-fold increase in those serious outcomes for having the booster shot.

23:28

What do you think of the data coming out of the UK and Germany showing the potential that vaccines may cause vaccine-induced AIDS or AIDS, as they call it? I haven't seen those. Okay. But do you think they have the potential of causing chronic immune deficiency? Oh, yeah, chronic immune deficiency.

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Arousal is at the same time causing deficient, defective immunity.

24:06

So the body will be busy attacking its own inflamed tissues instead of being capable of handling a new infection from an unknown virus? Yeah. Autoimmune people are an example, a sort of mild example of what is probably happening to the mass of the vaccinated people.

24:33

Ray, you've been interacting with the public for a long time. Are you finding it harder and harder to do that, maybe since people are cumulatively becoming more crazy? I would say people are becoming dumber. Let's just be blunt about it. Has that been especially difficult, maybe this year or last year? I'm getting more emails than ever before.

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And the extreme fanatics have stopped sending me threatening letters.

25:09

Maybe they got vaccinated. Maybe the vaccine did do something good after all. Like I know you said it provides you information and orientation, but like, I mean, it doesn't take a toll on you or something like that is like communicating with totally crazy people or you feel like it's your duty because you critique the culture. So you should support people and their fight against it. Or how do you feel about the whole thing?

25:38

Yeah, as far as I can, I try to give them any available insights or support.

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But even when that insight is like immediately turned around and posted on a forum and disregarded or something, I guess you don't, you could care less about what people are saying on the internet. No. Yeah. Okay. I guess, how do you, how do you constructively use your time given that things are, it's so easy to spiral out of control or to be depressed about the whole situation?

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I keep working to some extent on things I've been interested in for many years, mainly in the idea of ordering principles, the physics of life and potential,

26:45

And I almost never talk about that because people don't often ask me. But I'm paying more and more attention to physical questions and what the possibilities are suggested by some of these eccentric physical ideas.

27:15

So for you, your work is the guiding principle of your life? Work is? Yeah, your work, what you feel like you need to accomplish. Yeah, it's all one piece, whether it's biology or physics or ideas about consciousness.

27:42

Georgie, interrupt me at any time. So we're actually, we only have an hour with Ray today, so we're going to cut it pretty short here. But I had kind of like a, I don't know if there's maybe a fun question, but Ray, if a germ-free rat, who would win in a battle of enduring stress between a germ-free rat and an EFA, essential fatty acid, so-called deficient rat? And who do you think would win that? An EFA deficient. And why do you think that?

28:10

The experiments that have been done, the germ-free live longer, healthier, but they don't have the powerful stress resistance that the fatty acid deficient rats have.

28:37

Is there something that can bind with and deactivate PUFA while it's in the bloodstream? I think you mentioned vitamin E once. I think it was Celia's idea or broader Barnes, I forget. But is there any substance that can actually bind with those fatty acids and make them less harmful? Not in the blood, I think. It has to be the liver and kidneys excreting them.

29:06

Right, but I'm saying like, so in terms of, we cannot really saturate them on demand while they're floating around in the blood or binding them in a way that basically prevents them from doing their damage. This is only done in specific organs. So far, it's only intestinal or rumen bacteria using vitamin E that can do that. Okay. Okay.

29:34

Do you think it's feasible to develop something that there are now drugs on the market that inhibit the absorption of all fats from the intestine? Do you think it would be possible to develop something that targets specifically the less saturated fats? Oh, yeah, I'm sure that would be possible because they have a greater tendency to absorb to certain surfaces.

30:04

Again, moving on subjects here, but I was watching a documentary on the cartels producing fentanyl. And I thought of your, what is it, Ray, the Biological Balance and Addiction newsletter you wrote many years ago. And so I was thinking about the fentanyl. Like, what is that having an anti-stress effect that makes people very addicted to it? And then maybe just explain your view of what happens when

30:31

somebody's becomes so like using this in parentheses but like addicted to a substance what what in your view that meaning behind that would be some of those a sense of freedom from social pain a family that says they're worthless or a society that makes them feel worthless

31:03

They can just go into a dreamy state under the influence of morphine, for example. But that is imitating, in some ways, the euphoria that good steroid hormones should be producing.

31:29

And so part of the predisposition to use the drugs is that the stressful social conditions they're in are turning up their harmful hormones and suppressing their own progesterone, DHEA, and pregnenolone.

31:57

And that was how I found out that pregnenolone can help people withdraw pretty quickly from the opiates.

32:12

Quick question about pregnenolone. Why do you think no pharma company so far has tried to develop pregnenolone or at least use it or even in medicine as a sort of like the mother of all hormone replacement therapies? I mean, if it's the precursor for all of them,

32:29

Wouldn't something like a transdermal cream or a suppository or some other kind of a product that basically contains pregnenolol be able to replace all of these other HRTs that are trying to sell to the public? Was there ever an attempt earlier in the 20th century to do that, or they never tried it? In the early 1950s, there were studies showing that

32:55

It's much better than cortisone or cortisol for the uses. Those have anti-inflammatory and so on. But it's…

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rolled in the system makes it even worse than progesterone. Progesterone cures essentially everything, trauma, all of the degenerative and stress-related diseases.

33:36

And it's hormonally more powerful than pregnenolone. But pregnenolone has the same position in the system. When you

33:51

Take other hormones, the body's production of that hormone decreases. But in the case of progesterone and pregnenolone, those substances support the body's production of more up to their ability to make more.

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So if you're deficient in progesterone, sometimes a single dose or two can activate your body to return to normal production if you have the progesterone.

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the thyroid vitamin A and cholesterol needed. And to a degree, the same situation with pregnenolone. It stabilizes the damaged mitochondria and makes it possible for your cells to organize energy

34:54

energy production and more pregnenolone and progesterone production. And

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the drug companies first realized that the progesterone and DHEA were terrible drugs because they tend to cure diseases. And the effects of pregnenolone, there are no recognized hormonal effects

35:33

But if you have enough of it in experiments, a rat, for example, would be given 10 grams per rat per dose of pregnenolone with no harmful effects except to stop stress hormone production.

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And so pregnenolone is a relatively expensive material if you supplement it adequately. And since it isn't patentable, those three steroids are used.

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something that it's just a matter of the cost of producing them and marketing them. They could essentially cure most of the current diseases if they were made available massively and cheaply. But that doesn't interest the drug companies because they don't have patents.

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So I guess my question was, was it was ever considered by the drug companies even before they realized it's going to basically destroy their business? But was there ever a publication or a conference that you're aware of that a doctor stood up and said, hey, well, instead of giving all these people these individual hormones here, we have pregnenolone, which seems to be the they call it the rate limiting step to synthesizing everything else.

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why bother trying to calculate this optimal dosage for, I don't know, estrogen, aldosterone, cortisol? Let's give everybody pregnenolone. Was there ever a movement discussing this? No. There was a symposium in 1950 that revealed the curative effects of pregnenolone and progesterone. But right in that same symposium,

37:40

following an article on how, I think it was progesterone in massive amounts was causing cervical cancer to disappear. That same journal published an article on treating cancer with progesterone.

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and their own data showed that estrogen caused the cancer to become worse, and they concluded that estrogen has great promise as a cancer therapy.

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The data, pharmacologists and the research community was intelligent enough to know that a drug that could cure a disease but not be patented was worthless. Was there a symposium in Mexico where Sally did the presentation?

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And it might have been, it was published with Abraham White, I think was the editor. Yeah, yeah, I have that in a PDF. I think it was in Mexico. And there are a few studies on pregnenolone that were presented at that symposium.

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I hate to bring it back to the Russia stuff, but I did think this last time and want to bring it up. Like, I think a lot of, at least like for myself, you know, I'm like trying to figure out what's going on. And I peruse my news sources to try to figure out what's going on in Ukraine, Russia, etc. But Ray, like in Mind and Tissue, you're talking about one of the themes of Russian culture has been that of the potential to waiting to be fulfilled. Russia waiting to lead the world into a spiritual awakening, the spiritual richness of peasants, etc.,

39:36

And so what I'm trying to point out is that when was this book? This was… You published this when I was born, I think in 1985. And so…

39:44

For you, this… Oh, no, I wrote that in 1973. Oh, well, even better. So, anyways, you're like a Russian scholar. You know, you've been thinking about Russia for a very long time, and so you didn't just consume some news source that taught you how to think about this. And so, for you, have you been thinking that this would happen for a long time, this empire clash, and it's just kind of crazy that you're living through it?

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It was just sort of a vague suspicion 50 years ago, but that's what you infer from reading people like Dostoevsky and Tolstoy and the psychologists that they see

40:39

a certain spiritual, psychological, cultural attitude as being necessary to save the world. And then the West is like beyond rehabilitation. It's just, or maybe nothing is beyond rehabilitation, but it seems extremely unlikely. And so maybe Russia is a chance for a future of humanity?

41:09

Yeah, exactly, because through the way Christianity reached Russia, they didn't make the fundamental mistakes about the nature of reality and the nature of human beings.

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And the West is so committed to a kind of individualistic, random management of the physical world that the mental, spiritual world doesn't rest on any kind of real cosmology.

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Okay, I'm going to let you go in a second here, but I want to do this advertisement. So you can purchase your newsletter. There is a price change, right? It's $36 for 12 issues now? Or $10 for four. Okay. And you can email that price to raypetesnewsletter at gmail.com. And are you just backlogged with tons of people asking for these?

42:27

Yeah, it takes sometimes a few weeks to even get an order acknowledged.

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Good to know. And then they can order all your books through the same email. And then Progesti from Keenogen. You can email Catherine to purchase at Keenogen at gmail.com. Each bottle contains Progesti contains thirty four hundred milligrams of progesterone. And Ray, something I really appreciate that you did is you wrote like a little I don't know, like a snippet of how to use or your thoughts on progesterone for men. And so what was it? Was that just you got so many questions and inspired you to write that wasn't like a newsletter, right?

43:04

No, it was just a page. I thought it was really useful, and I kind of posted it everywhere. I hope you don't mind that I did that. That was very useful, and I think it clarified things for a lot of people, so I appreciate you doing that. Okay, let's wrap up here, and Ray, just let us know what you're working on for next.

43:25

Oh, the last newsletter was on cancer, and I'm going to fill in some of the background of that around some of the messenger substances that can be controlled to some extent to even actually not just a

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preventing cancer, but if you do it in a highly supportive way, even sometimes redress cancer.

44:07

Amazing. That was a fast hour. Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. And again, guys, we have an hour with Ray and we're not going to exceed that. Georgie Dinkov, thank you so much. I thought we covered a lot of ground. Really appreciate you, Ray. And stay on the line here and we'll end the show. Guys, thank you so much for watching. We have an amazing audience. Really appreciate you guys. We'll be back probably two weeks from now. Thanks again. Have a safe weekend and we'll talk to you guys soon. Okay. Bye, everybody.

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Ray Pete, George Yankov, we were just talking about Mexico, but I really wanted to talk about just everything that's happened. I think last time we were talking, the Russia-Ukraine stuff was just kind of coming to a head. And I unpack it for us, Ray. What do you think's going on? And give us your unique perspective.

00:21

Everyone should really understand what the Azov Battalion is, that they were an extremist group. They were, for example, involved in setting a union hall on fire while there were dozens of people inside.

00:44

And if they came out, they killed them, and most of them burned to death. And they march under a swastika flag, and their hero is Bandera, who was a major genocidist under Hitler.

01:05

So they're just about the nastiest people that you can imagine. They were integrated into Ukraine's National Guard because the breakaway republics favored unions and are nominally favoring socialism.

01:24

And since the Nazis, they aren't the same as the Azov Battalion, but the oligarch-related Nazis control the government in Kiev.

01:40

They get along nicely together. And the government in the Donetsk breakaway area, the Azov battalion is leading an attempt to genocide the Russian speaking population. Kiev assigned them that job.

02:07

after the outlawed speaking Russian and all rights for the Russian national citizens, as well as Russian-speaking people, ethnic Russians, the Kiev government has been shelling them constantly now for, I guess it's seven years now.

02:37

Didn't they send the Azov Battalion and they crucified some people in the Eastern Republics? That's what I've heard. I didn't want to look at the videos. And how does this play into the larger Empire game? Do you think this whole thing kicked off as kind of a cover for the biggest crime of the century? Maybe that's part of it. Go ahead.

02:58

You know the Victorian Newland thing that they were openly talking about installing a puppet government in 2014?

03:13

and explaining that they had invested a lot of money in it. And crucial to the coup was having several snipers killing the Ukraine policemen as well as demonstrators to get the people believing that the government was killing demonstrators.

03:40

But they were killing police and trying to get them against the mob. That was when the elected president left. So it was a very U.S.-promoted coup attempt.

03:58

right from the start. And the nominal purpose publicly is that the U.S., under Clinton, decided that they should expand NATO right up to all of Russia's borders.

04:21

after having Bush promising Gorbachev that NATO would not expand another inch, but that was just to relax the Russians so they could move nuclear weapons right up to all of their borders. And when Putin became president,

04:50

active in saying that he couldn't tolerate any more of the advances after several of the little former Russian republics had been assimilated by NATO. Russia fought back in Georgia and what was the other area that they

05:18

militarily quashed the move to integrate with NATO. And that nominal desire to have NATO right up against all of Russia's borders, making it the next step would be to use those weapons to threaten Russia up to the point that they could

05:45

change the government and break up the Russian state so that the vast amount of resources could be divided up, just what Hitler had in mind. And this attitude of the U.S. and Britain has continued now since the First World War. Their purpose has been to keep

06:13

Russia from cooperating closely with Germany because Germany has always had the leading technology and Russia has had the unlimited resources and potential grain production, timber, and all sorts of essential and voluminous minerals.

06:41

And so if Hitler's plan, for example, to conquer Russia and take their resources, everyone realized that would give Germany absolute control of the world. So that was in their minds at World War II.

07:06

And it continues. Anything that would favor Germany doing business with Russia has been inactivated in various ways. And now getting world opinion such that Germany is practically forced to

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cut off their main energy supplies, the cheap natural gas and oil from Russia is very essential to the German economy. But by creating the embarrassing situation in world opinion, they have forced their puppet government of Germany to

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turn off their energy supply and eventually bankrupt themselves. And meanwhile, the U.S. keeps buying vast amounts of Russian gas and oil. It's the Germans, they don't want to have cheap gas and oil. How does low-life like Nuland get on the record plotting to kill foreign officials and people and still not fall under that U.S. law that basically prohibited

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US officials from doing that abroad? Yeah. The international law is a concept that came in with United Nations. And when the US talks about the rules, what they mean is they're absolutely throwing out the tradition of 70 years of international law.

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But I think there's an actual U.S. law which prohibited – I think it was – I forget when it was passed, but basically it said that no U.S. government employee is allowed to actively plot the assassination of a foreign government official.

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And this is a law that's on the U.S. books. But all of the treaties are technically the law in the U.S. When Congress ratifies a treaty, that makes it a national law. And if you look at the history of U.S. treaties, no one obeys the law.

09:51

Right, yeah. So basically, they follow whatever law suits them, but when it comes down to restricting the secret operations or things like that abroad, the law doesn't apply. So how does this navigate kind of the oligarchs into a one-world government situation? Is this like something that was standing in their way, or how does a person understand that? Oh, their one-world government has to be ruled by the U.S.,

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There are these actual extremists in the government since Kennedy's time. It's been very obvious that they seriously believed better dead than red.

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And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was constantly maneuvering to get a world war using atomic weapons going.

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Well, one of the big narratives, like the so-called liberal Democrats are like pro-Ukraine, the so-called right-leaning Republicans are pro-Russia, and then the super, like, kind of fringe conspiracy people are saying, oh, it's a big show, the whole thing is theater. And so why would you reject that whole thing that Putin is like playing a villain so they can do a cyber attack and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera? Why would you like vehemently reject that? The…

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Trump was a big interference with their plan, the American plan to establish, to keep Germany as a puppet state and to do everything to end up dissolving the Russian state.

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When Trump said he could do business with Russia and he didn't think wars were a good idea, immediately they said he was conspiring with Putin. And that whole thing was a conspiratorial fabrication coming out of the Democrats' party organization.

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uh with hillary leading the way uh referring to putin as a hitler and then where do you see this all leading you know like the last time we talked to it felt like it was just getting off the ground and it's like gotten so intense so quickly and it's hard to imagine that it's going to go it's not going to get a lot worse where russia is

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Losing ground is in their public relations because the story of satanic Putin has been so efficiently propagated. Even sane people can't hear what they hear and can't see what they read. Someone emailed me that Putin, on the day he recognized the republics,

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Said his purpose was to decommunize the Ukraine, that he is actually a fascist. And what I heard him say in that speech was his purpose was to denazify the Ukraine. Nothing about decommunizing them.

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And so his purpose, since the breakaway republics favored socialism and unions, they had to say that his purpose in stopping the Azov battalion from shelling civilians, his purpose really was to go in and commit genocide against the socialists.

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Have you seen the other claims that Putin is basically trying to reestablish the USSR?

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I've heard suggestions of that, but under him, one of the critics' lines is to say that because Putin frequently uses the word God and spiritual values and traditional morality, that that means he's…

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not very secret fascist, but the communists got to the point where Stalin had stopped the active persecution of religion in the early 1940s because he saw that nearly everyone in Russia was an orthodox true believer.

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And so he said, what's the Socialist Party doing persecuting their main supporters? And Putin is following Stalin to that degree. He's using the common concepts, natural to his country, of spiritual values, values

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honoring traditional morality and speaking in terms involving references to God. And that really offends, like a lot of the so-called Marxists and communists in Russia hate him for that. They want to go back to the

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old-fashioned persecution of believers. And so when he talks in a national, ethnic manner, they say that means he's a fascist and wants to, among other things, restore the kind of communism that existed under Stalin and others.

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Have you seen some of the polls in the former Soviet republics? I think with the

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Notable exception, and not by far, with the notable exception of Kazakhstan, the actual people on the ground in numbers of two-thirds or more favor the return of the Soviet Union simply because they say their lives were more stable or at least more human under the old system. And right now you have 1% owning everything and 99% living in basically abject poverty and fear.

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Yeah, the average citizen lost everything, pensions, jobs, and so on, transferring state property to the oligarchs with the leadership of economists from Harvard. Yeah. Do you think there's a – how would you estimate the risk of a –

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I don't know, third world war? Because the way things are going now, if Russia wins the war in Ukraine, basically it throws a major wrench into the will of the plans that the West had for this part of the world. Yeah, I think Biden is already showing that

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That would totally make Western rulers insane. The way he talks is pretty insane. And also the West kind of loses credibility. If Russia achieves its goal in Ukraine, then basically it shows the West and the entire world that it's still a great power and it can pose a credible challenge to the empire. Yeah, that's a great problem for the West.

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They see it as a potentially terminal condition for them, so they will resort to anything to resist that. I think…

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They're going to start saying that even though the Ukraine was easy to defeat, the Russians had to use massive genocidal methods. And they'll be claiming that Russia has committed atrocities all across the country.

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The shelling of the breakaway republics has killed at least 10,000 people over these last seven years.

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And even if we put aside the actual winning the war in Ukraine, now Russia being isolated financially and politically under the, of course, the guidance of the empire, Russia and China are being pushed together by basically no desire of their own. But now they have to cooperate in order to survive this. And if they come up with an alternative payment system and start trading all these commodities in something other than the U.S. dollar, then that's pretty much game over for the dollar, wouldn't it be?

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Yeah, that's what the West has seen coming now for years. And when the U.S. froze Russian assets and stopped the financial transactions, the Russians had almost equivalent power. They could have frozen the

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The Western assets in Russia, with great damage to people in the U.S., could turn off their cheap gas and several other things that they could have retaliated with it.

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against the sanctions. But what they're doing is not trying to punish the West, but trying to just shift their business dealings towards China. Right, but economically united Russia and China are essentially, that's a checkmate for the West. Other than a major war to subjugate that union, the West doesn't really have any other cards.

20:52

No, I think it's almost unavoidable that China and Russia are going to come out in a functional control position. Okay. So if the elite wanted eventually the US dollar to go away anyway so that they can replace it with their digital currency, do you think that may actually help their plans? The fact that the Russia and China alliance may accelerate the demise of the dollar, or do you think it's happening too fast for their taste?

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I'm not sure, but I think the dollar is already experiencing that movement away from the petroleum-supported dollar. And that was going away from the petroleum dollar was what got Iraq and Libya murdered. They were introducing…

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a gold back finance system. So they had to be killed to save the value of the dollar. But now they can't do that to China and Russia who are moving basically in the same direction Libya interacted regarding oil prices.

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With the way things are going right now and with the war and further supply chain disruptions, which is what the elite calls them, do you see the potential for inflation continuing to rise rapidly in the United States and maybe even civil unrest breaking out over these ridiculous prices? Yeah, the inflation is already happening because of the actions they've taken for the pandemic. But I think it's blending right into the

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the world moving away with China and Russia getting together. So I think there's nowhere to go for the dollar except losing value faster and faster. And what do you think will be a move, a financial move on the elites' part? Introduce quickly the CBDCs or…

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Basically, controlling, they can cancel the bank access simply the way Canada did.

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confiscate the money of people, independent actions of all sorts, and force people quickly into the digital credit card economy.

23:44

But in order for that to happen, Trudeau, by the way, declared martial law, or he invoked that law that's essentially equivalent to the martial law. What would it take to do that in the United States unless there is some kind of a civil unrest? It didn't take any law at all to do all of the illegal mandates.

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They knew that a state of emergency existed. They didn't talk about it. But I think we've had a continuing state of emergency now for many years. And so they can get away with martial law behavior without having to declare anything. So you think they will just be able to freeze people's deposits and get away with it? Yeah. Yeah.

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Somebody listening to this might say, oh, I don't care about the Ukraine or Russia stuff, but the effect on the food chain, that's one of the consequences of this. Have you been following that at all, Ray? Not in detail, but yes, they're expressed there.

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now for several years, starting well before the pandemic, is to phase out what they call the legacy economy, the small businesses all across the country to destroy them one way or another. And the mandates simply telling people they couldn't continue running their

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their restaurant or gym or whatever business they said wasn't essential. And so they just by fiat confiscated or destroyed businesses, forcing people to deal with places like Amazon. And so Jeff Bezos practically has doubled his wealth because of the pandemic.

25:54

And I was specifically referring to like, it doesn't Russia export like all of the wheat or something. And so that would hurt farmers even more. Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine.

26:03

Yeah, and they could do all kinds of boycotts. They could find many other markets in the U.S. and Europe for all of their excess production, grain and petroleum in particular, but rare minerals that are essential to the Western economy.

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they can turn those off, simply turn off Western technology industry. And Russia and Belarus together, I think, are responsible for two-thirds of the fertilizer used around the world to grow food. And if they stop the exports of that, then nobody grows food no matter where they are. At least at an industrial level, right? I mean, people can do it in their yards.

26:56

They're in a position of tremendous leverage over Europe and the U.S., but they see such actions as leading to retaliation militarily, and they're very controlled in not retaliating for the sanctions.

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And then again, people hate when I ask you to speculate, but could you see maybe a cyber attack performed by CIA and associated institutions? Could that be like a sinking of the Lusitania or something to get us into some kind of war situation? Yeah.

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Yeah, and it could happen anywhere as long as it is convincingly blameable on the Russians. That's their basic thing.

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It doesn't even have to be convincingly blamable. It's like the virus. It's whatever they say. It's unconfirmable. Well, especially if they're right at the point of being able to declare a pandemic of Marburg hemorrhagic fever virus. That's one of the things that could happen.

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things in a crisis state. But a huge false flag operation is very likely. I mean, the trauma of staying home and not seeing your loved ones might pale in comparison to not having water or food or turning on the power. That might be really bad. Okay, is there…

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Do you have any more news on the Marburg stuff? I know you said they were reading a vaccine. Have you been following that? Have you seen more things? Because it seems like the public can only hold attention on one narrative. So it's going to be either Russia, Ukraine, or a new virus. It would be difficult for… Go ahead. I think they are so in control of the media that they can let out little bits. When one thing slacks in the news, they can…

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And Georgie, interrupt me if you have any more on the Ukraine-Russia stuff, but people did want me to ask you about…

29:31

The new information about the reverse transcription, I mean, you've been saying this from day one. So have you seen anything that was interesting or unknown recently? I think Peter McCullough and some other people have been talking about a proof of maybe it was in the liver of the reverse transcription for the spike protein.

29:49

Yeah, showing it exists in the liver. A group at MIT and Harvard more than a year ago demonstrated that the process really does happen in cells, but showing that it happens in human liver cells is very important.

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just by having a feeling for how cells operate

30:24

Right from the start, the claim of people like Fauci that introducing RNA is going to almost instantly lead to the degradation of that RNA, and it couldn't possibly be reverse transcribed and rewritten.

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a product of reverse transcription naturally couldn't get into the nucleus.

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So that was all like sophomoric molecular biology that Fauci had never studied. But anyone familiar with the actual workings of nucleic acids in the organism knows that those rules…

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are made for the drug companies. Like the idea that you have to encapsulate RNA into some kind of a lipid membrane to get it in the cells. The lipid substance is actually designed to act as an adjuvant to stir up the immune system

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but it's been known for a long time that naked RNA and naked DNA are circulating in our blood system all the time. And if you add a particular type of RNA or DNA strand, it shows up very powerfully inside cells. You don't need anything to target DNA.

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the nucleic acid to make it go into cells. It can go right through the surface of the cell and begin to be incorporated into the nucleus. So the so-called principles that make such a thing impossible are nothing but the ignorant fantasy of science

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the pharmaceutical people in Fauci, but the pharmaceutical people actually have been aware all this time that in fact free

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uncovered nucleic acid is going in and out of cells constantly and it goes in and out of the organism through body fluids, sweat, saliva, tears, urine. These nucleic acids originating in the body are coming out all of our surfaces so there's

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If you put a cold object under your nose so that the warm breath condenses on it,

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and amylase it. Then you find big molecules like nucleic acids and proteins in that condensed vapor. And that was incorporated into a manual when Pfizer was experimenting to develop the vaccine. They warned their people giving the

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a vaccine, not to let pregnant or nursing women be exposed to someone who is vaccinated. They were fully aware of this shedding process that is going on all the time. And I couldn't be the only one that was fooled by the 5G nanotech graphene oxide. I'm sure you get that question all the time. Do you just want to extrapolate on that a little bit, your thoughts?

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Yeah, I listened to some of the early reports of the so-called discovery of graphene oxide. And these guys said they would be presenting full detailed evidence of how they identified it as graphene oxide, but that has never been presented yet.

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It's just there's junk in the vaccines, physical particles, graphene oxide is compatible with what they see. And there were some.

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are proposing that for mind control and modification of cells that graphene oxide being able to pick up electromagnetic fields could be designed to translate electromagnetic fields into

35:37

particular nervous and chemical effects in the cell. But there are just a few articles proposing that, but what they did was blow it up and said it has already been done.

35:53

And then Georgie, interrupt me at any time, because I was going to shift the topic. Something that I've been interested in these past few months, talking to different people, is that it seems like there's kind of themes, and maybe the people I talk to, and the theme currently is that people are doing, and this is not going to blow your mind in any way, because you've been talking about this for a long time, but people are doing significantly better on a 1 to 2 ratio of T3 to T4, or a 1 to 1, than even a 1 to 3 or 1 to 4 ratio.

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And so since that's just fresh in my mind right now, I just thought maybe we'd concretize it here with just your thoughts on that. And why would somebody do better on a one-to-one or one-to-two? If you're, for example, under the influence of something like estrogen that is interfering with liver function and cell function in general, especially interfering with oxygen intake,

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as the energy basis, causing a shift to oxidation of fatty acids. Then this wasting of oxygen as an energy source prevents the conversion of T4 to T3. The conversion requires a certain level of glucose

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as the energy source. So high estrogen women in particular are very, very frequently have a block between T4 and T3. That's been known for decades that where T4 in a healthy young man works almost exactly like T3

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In women, it's about 10 times less likely to be an adequate thyroid supplement for thyroxine alone or T4 because estrogen is such a deterrent to the conversion. And men under stress…

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who have done too much aerobic exercise, for example, can't get their T3 to come back after the stress because factors such as aromatase have been activated by the stress and continue to interfere with the glucose function. And so stressed men and the average woman

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has a very low ability to convert thyroxine to the active hormone. And so if you give a ratio that has enough T3 to keep the oxidative system running and then just enough T4 to fill in when there's a dip in energy availability,

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Everyone has their optimal ratio. Some people do fine on just thyroxine, but they weren't really the bulk of the hypothyroid population. It's a failure to convert that causes most hypothyroidism. For yourself, can you detect a difference between a 1 to 1 and a 1 to 2?

39:26

No, I've never tried resolving at that point. And then, Georgie, you interrupt me at any point. So what's the ratio you currently take? Is it the 4 to 1 from Sinoplus? I'd like something closer to 3 to 1.

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So you mix it yourself? I'll go along for days at a time with nothing but Cino Plus, but then I definitely feel a boost if I bring it up to a 3 to 1 ratio. So you supplement additional T3 to basically change the ratio, okay. And is that a climate or seasonal thing? Is it what? Like a seasonal or climate thing, like changing in the summer or winter?

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Yeah, the need for thyroid is usually about four times as high in a northern winter as during the summer. And for many years, I found that two grains of armor was just right for me in the winter, and only half a grain was enough to warm me up in the summer.

40:36

And then, Georgie, interrupt me at any point. Okay, so I wanted to talk about, because we only have 15 minutes here, heavy metals, right? That was something that kind of got talked about on the internet a little bit. And I know that you have an interesting, specific perspective, including the redox balance into that equation rather than just like the heavy metals are, I mean, they're harmful, but they're harmful in context with like the overly reduced redox state, right? Yeah. For example, if you're,

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stressed for oxygen. That will bring up heme oxygenase, which turns heme into biliverdin, carbon monoxide, and free iron.

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And free iron in the presence of a deficiency of oxygen is reduced, producing hydroxyl radicals that cause oxidative damage. So the oxygen deficiency leads to sort of explosive damage.

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a random type of oxidation damaging proteins and nucleic acids and everything. So iron serves as like an emergency oxidizing agent? What was the oxidizer? Iron, the free iron released serves as an emergency oxidizing agent.

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Yeah, in the presence of excess electrons when oxygen is deficient, the oxygen should be disposing of the excess electrons, lowering the reductive pressure of the cell.

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and that should detoxify any free iron that's sitting there. It should stay in a harmless oxidized state. But the stress activates by having electrons escape and reduce the iron so that the iron then reduces, converts things to free radicals.

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So, would supplementing with quinones would essentially protect partially from iron toxicity? Yeah, I think that's how a lot of these so-called antioxidants work. Like inside the cell, ascorbic acid is an oxidant, not an anti- or reducing agent.

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If you take so much that you experience a reducing atmosphere, that creates extreme damage from free radicals. So the ascorbic acid…

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is functioning as a protective factor in the oxidized state of the cell. And the so-called plant-derived

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so-called antioxidants, like flavonoids, are actually inside the cell. They're working like ascorbic acid as pro-oxidants, helping to deliver randomly, reducing an electron pressure, converting it into a more oxidizing state.

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that protects against the free radicals. I'm sure you've seen the studies that show that aside from their carcinogenicity of some of the more heavy metals, like lead or aluminum, basically the majority of their chronic damage comes from increasing oxidative stress. Would the same protective effect be seen by supplementing with quinones or other oxidizing agents against other heavy metal toxicity except iron?

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I haven't seen that demonstrated, but I'm sure it's happening. I think it could be demonstrated if you had the right quenons of right oxidative potential.

45:10

If someone has heavy metal toxicity, what would be your generic approach to mitigating the damage and potentially, if it's even possible, getting those heavy metals out? Things like coffee to…

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accelerate a passage through the kidneys. Heavy coffee drinkers were found to have less heavy metal load, especially in their kidneys. And then the things rich in flavonoid type substances such as orange juice and grape juice have a huge protective effect.

45:53

But the direct chelation is potentially dangerous, right? Because it can spread all over the body. Yeah. Okay, so how would these flavonoids, what would be their mechanism of action if they're not chelators? And same for the coffee. Oh, by essentially inactivating the free radical conduction and regeneration mechanism.

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Okay, so if somebody has a buildup of some heavy metal, as long as they're protecting from the free radical damage, over time you're saying the body should be able to excrete that excess by its own mechanisms. There's no need for chelation. Yeah. Hans Selye did experiments with mercury that suggests that's how it works. With just the right amount of vitamin C, for example, you can put the

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at mercury into a harmless valence that passes out of the body with various key letters. Okay. Um, what was I going to say? Oh, the, um, I forgot. Anyways, we'll go on to an advertisement here. Okay. The newsletter is available by email. Now it's $30 for 12 issues over. I can't believe I'm screaming this three years. Right. What was the new, the new schedule for the newsletter?

47:24

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47:50

And then Progest-E from Kinogen, you can email Catherine to purchase Progest-E, kinogen at gmail.com. Each bottle of Progest-E contains 3,400 milligrams of progesterone. And you know, Ray, in my limited research on hair loss, it kept coming to my attention that I thought progesterone was like the hair protective hormone. Of course, reading your work as well and seeing the ciproterone acetate and spironolactone be used and kind of pre-finasteride or pre-finasteride.

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pre-propesia papers being used for hair loss, but why wouldn't just… Go ahead. Those things are more profitable to promote, even though they have huge side effects. And the estrogen industry has propagandized…

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for decades against progesterone because if it was realized that everything good about female hormones, protection against heart disease, for example, derives from progesterone, not from estrogen. If understanding progesterone goes too far,

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the estrogen industry suffers. After 2002, when they saw that synthetic progestins with estrogen caused increased mortality from heart disease and breast cancer and strokes, there was a tremendous shift towards the use of progesterone. And along with that came the

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the estrogen industry financing all kinds of crooked propaganda against progesterone. And maybe for a young man or something losing hair listening to this, why wouldn't just taking progesterone be, why would that be kind of an impotent approach? Like why would that not be all that would be needed to correct that problem?

49:56

It has to go with general health of the organism and especially elimination in the most efficient way of the factors that block hair follicle metabolism. And that includes good thyroid function, good vitamin D function, and adequate calcium intake.

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among other things, but progesterone with vitamin D and calcium and thyroid can not only for restoring hair growth, but for everything in health and natural resistance will be optimized.

50:45

Two comments here. First, the studies on cyproterone acetate and the other synthetic progestins, if you look at the dosages used for hair regrowth, they were using 600 to 800 milligrams daily. I don't know of that many people who tried using natural progesterone in those doses. So the reports are usually coming from people using, I don't know, 20 to 50 milligrams and saying, why is my hair not coming back?

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Also, a second comment, case report, a college buddy of mine, originally from Italy, mountain climber, basically lost all of his hair, classic androgenic alopecia, by the age of 22. We were roommates in college. And he basically kind of gave up on civilization and went to live in a commune in the Tian Shan Mountains in Central Asia, in Kyrgyzstan.

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And he fully re-grew his hair, has a full head of hair now, and refuses to combat the civilization, saying that it's essentially killing us, which I'm sure you'll fully agree with.

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And he lives at about 14,000 feet and says that life there is perfect. And he does not want to jeopardize it by coming back to and living at lower altitude. He only goes to Italy maybe once a year to see his parents. But other than that, he's given up on modern life. Yeah, the high altitudes, the only thing wrong with 14,000 feet is it's always cold.

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But there's very lower incidence of all of the degenerative diseases. I hadn't heard about hair growth, but dental health is very different at high altitude than at sea level. Heart disease is much lower at high altitude. Dementia.

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cancer and I guess you could include premature hair loss as a degenerative disease but that's interesting to hear that he had full regrowth

52:59

And he now, I mean, I see him maybe once every couple of years, if he even comes to the States, he doesn't do anymore. We sometimes exchange emails when he goes down to, uh, forget what's the Kyrgyz city. He goes down once a month to check his email there. Uh, but he basically says, it's not just the hair. He says that once you get out of the big city and go out in nature, he says that, that he cannot explain, but life is so much more real in full there. Um,

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And he doesn't miss any of the amenities of civilization. He has water and electricity, and that's just about everything he needs to live a fulfilled life.

53:35

Yeah, the people, just mountain climbers, for many years have remarked on the euphoria, sense of well-being they feel when they get up to a high altitude. The first time I went up a fairly high mountain, I felt a little fatigue, a little

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on the long walk through the mountain, but after getting to about 7,000 or 8,000 feet, I felt like jumping and skipping and running for the rest of the way. So what do you think modern life offers as a benefit, if anything? What's the indispensable thing that modern life offers that we cannot do without if we move to live in a more secluded or higher altitude place?

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I've never understood that, but it's sort of good that billions of people don't move to the mountains. They will quickly turn them into, I don't know, Disneyland or something. Absolutely. Last thing on this, then I'll let you go, Ray. Maybe you said it a long time ago that for hair loss, the intervention had to be proportionally greater than the damage that has been done.

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And so people are always saying like, oh, you know, I know my friend who eats bad and he keeps his hair and I'm losing my hair. Like what, what that person losing hair and is in more advanced state of aging or stress. But that, that to a lot of people, that's not apparent that that's what's happening. Would you agree with that? Yeah.

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You've probably heard of the creased eardrum. It's a sign of aging of the circulatory system. But bald people have that at a very high frequency, and it's an indication of the likelihood of a heart disease developing.

55:39

And so it does show up in other aspects of the health. And just before you leave, why does that happen? Like the circulatory system causes that defect in the ear?

55:53

Oh, the hair follicle has to produce energy vigorously. And if your systemic energy is being blocked in some way, the skin is one of the first places that can experience. You can live with quite a bit of atrophy of your hair and skin and nails.

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and still keep your lungs and brain working. The skin and the sinus and a lot of the muscular systems, the blood vessels are protected a lot more than the skeletal muscles against stress and aging. I really appreciate… Go ahead, Rick.

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Did I cut you off, Ray? What was that? I thought I cut you off, but I was going to let you go. Because I don't want to keep you longer than an hour. Okay, Ray, sincerely appreciate it. Thank you so much for joining us. Georgie Dinkov, thank you so much. Guys, thank you. We only had an hour today. But again, Ray, thank you so much. We went over so much in an hour, so I really appreciate it. Okay, everybody, have a safe weekend. We'll talk to you guys soon. Peace out.

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