Peat Pillman
我将从第一个问题开始，那就是什么比生物能量更重要呢？有什么比它更重要的呢？
我们都依赖它。我认为在生物能量和社会整体功能之间可以做出一些非常酷的类比。
你如何看待这种联系？你为什么要建立这样的联系？我们不应该把一切都看作是分离的吗？每件事都应该有专门的分离，对吧？那你为什么要把生物能量和社会功能联系起来呢？
是的，我认为鼓励归纳和类比作为思考事物的方式，而不仅仅是分析逻辑和分隔。把身体和社会做类比是很容易的。就像在身体里，不同的器官支持整个结构，整个功能。社会也有不同的职业，不同的管理基础设施的方式。
是的，我们都需要能量。什么是能量？那么，我在大学实际上辅修过物理学，那里的定义是进行工作的能力。这是一个比较枯燥的定义。这是一种清教徒式的能量定义。但是能量是推动事物运作的东西，这是今天很多人都会说的话。
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LFG。这就是他们说的。很多人至少都希望拥有能量。能量是一个有趣的话题，因为我们都熟悉机器依赖能量的运作方式。我认为生物系统的工作方式不同。它们有点与我们的直觉相反。就像机器一样，能量越充足，机器的功能就越好，或者得到的输出就越多。
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但是在一个生物系统中，我们喜欢说放松需要消耗能量。这有点违反直觉。当减少一个生物体中的能量时，最终会导致它变得僵硬或无法抑制活力过程。所以在某种意义上，当一个生物体能量较低时，会变得更加混乱和管理不善。是的。那么这是否意味着不应该说能量是积极的呢？有其阴暗面吗？
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嗯，这只是理解能量的一种方式。我认为，如果没有真正理解能量，它可能就有阴暗面。你怎么看，你知道是什么创造了能量吗？它是物质还是其他东西？物质和能量，是共存的吗，永远交织在一起，还是一个从另一个衍生出来的？
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比如，能量是物质的属性，还是说它是一种共存的，有点像有些人会说的那样？
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物质有一个开始，有些人会说物质一直就是永恒的。然后我们会说，能量就像物质的下游属性。其他人可能会说，暗物质和暗能量有点像是在某种舞蹈中相互交织在一起。这就好像没有一个是谁的父或母。我认为能量可以被包含在物质的结构中。但能量也是一种抽象的东西，包含在运动中。
你觉得自从你学习物理以来，物理学的状态如何？你认为物理学需要一场类似于雷佩特可能为生物学所设想的那样的革命吗？
是的。而且物理学可以，嗯，让我这么说吧。物理学一直在趋向于不同概念的融合。
在19世纪末到20世纪初，我们看到了电磁学方面的巨大变革。我们意识到这两个领域实际上是相同的东西，只是参考框架不同。爱因斯坦对时间和空间也做了同样的观察。它们真的可以互换。
那么物理学统一的下一步是什么呢？
我不知道，但我认为这是趋势。我经常推广和我一起主持一个叫做《科学与你》的节目。我们曾经几乎每晚都做这个节目。后来当我们转到电台下午档时，我们还是每晚都做。有时候每周一次，有时候一周不止一次，但这叫做我和搭档博士主持的《科学与你》。魏平宇是一位NASA物理学家，他在航空航天领域做了大量工作。但他开发的其中一项成就，也是他一生的巅峰之作，是他相信所有物理现象能够完全统一为一个粒子、一个定律、一种力、一个场、一个宇宙，
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这些是磁性粒子，双极磁性粒子。因此他认为我们在开始假设因为存在两种电荷，就一定有两种不同的粒子来承载这些电荷时犯了错误。当然，还有中子，但是正负和中性，而不是那种左脑主导的假设。
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这个假设可能不正确。我们可能需要重新思考，回到那个问题上，如果存在正负两极，那么可能存在一个磁体的两个极。我们所认为的磁性和电磁性实际上就是所有事物的根本力。我们不需要假定这类偶然的力，比如强力与弱力。我们也不需要想出一些其它的力，
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像反物质这样的无法证明的东西，或者，所有这些，我们实际上可以更简单、更优雅地统一一切，一个粒子，一个带有正负两极的双极磁性粒子。然后以某种结构排列自己，创造出不同的，我们在宇宙中看到的分子等一切事物。我们不必假定像波粒二象性这样奇怪的东西，
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一切都只是被解释为一种现有的磁性介质，有着无限可分的微小磁体，微小的偶极磁体。因此我认为，在我对这个领域独立研究的过程中，我已经看到了足够的证据来确认，我相信他发现了某些东西，通过这种物理学的统一，我们将能够开启很多深刻创新的潜力，
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这些创新可以帮助人类超越自身。我想问你一个问题，因为我认为你可能会，如果你需要对我刚才说的内容补充些什么，
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很多时候，当人们说，当我提到，嘿，让我们拥有足够便宜的能源来进行计量，让我们拥有无尽的丰富能源，让我们能够从垃圾中转化出稀土元素，而不是必须挖掘地球的内部。让我们拥有反重力，而不是每年都必须更换轮胎，或者六个月换一次，无论怎么做。
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关于这个想法，人们会告诉你，哦，如果我们解决了人类的问题，如果我们治愈了所有这些疾病，我们还是会变得越来越糟糕，因为那样的话我们就变得太琐碎了，一旦我们拥有了不用担心所有这些病痛和疾病。
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一旦我们拥有充足的能量，不必每周花费70小时或100小时工作，远离家庭，一旦我们知道是什么导致身体压力，那么我们就可以在不破坏经济的前提下，享用丰富、美味的食物。一旦我们拥有了所有这些，我们将成为地狱般的人类，因为人类是如此的小气、邪恶和恶劣，以至于只会争吵不休。现在，一方面，我内心有一部分声音说，绝对如此。这听起来对我的愿景的批评可能有一定的道理，因为我了解人类的狭隘和模仿性。但另一方面，我感觉这是另一个习得的无助神话，让我们陷入沮丧，只是埋头苦干，只是妥协于我们的潜力。你怎么看？
雷佩特引用了伯特兰·罗素的话。他说，没有合作，人类就完了。 所以最大的问题是，我们如何鼓励合作呢？ 就像我们在通过所有这些使我们的生活变得轻松的技术进步时，它们就像是我们实现任何意志目标的倍增器。
我不知道，这就是最大的问题。我想尼采也有一句话，那就是，警惕未经努力获得的智慧。因此，人类和社会的正确轨迹似乎是，我们以合作的方式实现所有这些事情，一旦达到那个水平，这种合作就能持续下去。那么，以合作的方式实现它意味着什么呢？那看起来怎么样？
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对我们来说，共同努力改变世界，这看起来怎么样？因为有些人会说，我们需要有共产主义政治。或者有些人会说，哦，不，可以通过互助组织、工人合作社等非暴力、非强制性的方式进行大量合作，或者仅仅是高度……
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道德上善良体贴的公司甚至可以在结构上变得非常合作。我不知道如何在不显得像嬉皮士的情况下表达这一点。我们都必须彼此相爱。我不知道。因为我实际上真的很反对专制，就像自上而下的统治一样。我们可能会同意种子油不好，但我认为，美国政府禁止种子油可能是错误的举动。
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我的意思是，这为美国政府能够告诉我们什么是正确和错误树立了先例。但我认为我们应该能够在自己内心看到并为自己选择正确的事情。对，对。这也是一个难题，因为有很多根深蒂固的企业权力，它们仅在市场上拥有对食品、肥皂等所有这些我们被告知的东西的掌控力……
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这些东西对我们的健康并不好。它们之所以拥有那种巨大的垄断地位，只是因为有企业补贴和操纵，我称之为操纵性法规，那些操纵性法规。绝对如此。是的。操纵性法规、企业补贴、贸易协议、货币政策等各种各样的东西。
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所有这些情况都处于一种状态，使得它们制造出这些寄生性企业寡头，能够用如此多的有害人体物质装载如此多至关重要的东西。我和你一样。我不相信威权主义，但我已经变得，我想，只是思考，嗯，我认为公众似乎还没有准备好觉醒，像罗恩·保罗（Ron Paul）那种风格的事情。
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自愿主义对社会远景的看法。所以与此同时，你知道的，让我们保持乐观。也许他们会在50年内准备好。与此同时，如果可以的话，我们过渡到利用国家的强制力量对抗其自身的寄生性邪恶驱动因素，
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就像现在这样，他们禁止某些致癌物质等进入食品供应。为什么他们不能禁止种子油呢？因为已知种子油含有致癌物质，并逐步淘汰？我不认为你可以一夜之间就做到这一点。会杀死所有这些小规模的夫妻餐馆等等，并且会严重损害经济。但如果给出一个五年的逐步淘汰窗口期，
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并且取消所有的补贴之类的东西。那将是灾难性的。美国整个国家的制度建立在如此多的邪恶之上，以至于即使你想在任何一个短期的框架内悔改，也无法做到。因此，那些没有很多钱的人将会被毒害。这是一个非常具有道德争议的情况，因为就像是在说，
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伙计，每次人们不得不抨击的时候，你知道的，我是说那些没完没了的东西，比如里面含有垃圾的洗发水，在破坏你的细胞。显然我们是从我朋友anabolgy在我们节目上说的这事听来的。还有，你知道凌宁关于钠的说法吗？是月桂酸盐还是什么？那个洗涤剂。对，就是月桂醇硫酸钠之类的。对，还有所有那些东西。
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把它加到洗涤剂里，也加到你的牙齿上。对，几乎没人知道这些东西是什么。它们无处不在。对，就像，到底怎么回事？为什么美国每个层面的存在都有这么多反人类的东西在接触人类呢？然后你想，哦， 就像我和你在一起。就像我的精神和你在一起。对，这就是志愿服务。这是我们必须对人们做的事情，但人们却不愿意。
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我的意思是，在他们醒来的程度上，实在是太慢了。就像无法与每天在细胞层面上对他们进行的暴力和欺骗相竞争。所以你想，好吧，只要人们能百分之百达成一致，不管是民主党人、共和党人还是其他人。
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我们需要一个政府，会介入我们的生活，甚至到了禁止致癌物质的程度。我们能让这个捕食性的政府对抗自己吗？因为我觉得像种子油这样的东西就像是生物武器一样，如果没有种子油，美国政府还会像今天这样庞大、宽容、普遍、控制和强制吗？我不这么认为。我认为你们需要降低人口素质，削弱他们的智商，降低他们的精力水平，使他们处于麻木状态，疲劳和慢性疲劳以及矿物质缺乏的状态，让他们陷入精神疾病中，他们不断地做出粗鲁的手势，无法控制情绪，总是多疑且偏执。所有这些情况都已被植物油所证实。
这并不是什么……似乎与人们的自满情绪相伴而生。就像，它消耗了他们的精力。但我不知道。有时候我觉得可能只是偶然的。但是，为什么植物油如此受欢迎的精神是……就像，它的起源是邪恶的。
工厂农场变得如此庞大，以牺牲小农场为代价的经济方式。在20世纪70年代，这是为了最大化农场规模、不考虑市场力量而最大化产出的经济计划的一部分。我们付钱给农民尽可能多地生产。然后政府说，如果你卖不出去，我们就买下来。
然后如果我们想不出怎么处理，就让我们的科学家来处理。这实际上就是如何得到高果糖玉米糖浆等东西的方法，我知道这并不是一个真正的大问题，但确实反映了我们的农业系统、工业和技术系统的精神，不是以人类为中心的，而是以利润为中心的。
那么，种子油就有点像是一种产出，我们只需要尽可能多地建造大型农场。我们需要掌控全球经济。所以很多其他国家都依赖我们的产品来喂养他们的农场等等。多余的部分不知怎的就转换成食物，让人们吃，以便继续赚钱。我们现在正在收获我们自己种下的恶果，比如癌症和自身免疫性疾病都在上升，这一切都是因为我们最初选择的精神。
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这个系统的建立并不是以人为中心的。它是以什么为中心的？只是金钱。特别是在20世纪70年代，尼克松政府想让农场变得尽可能大，有点与苏联竞争。那时他们是我们的主要竞争对手。然后，我们只是想打败他们，在拥有那种类型的经济上，比如在全球市场销售农产品。
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那些宠物食品已经毒害了全世界，基本上是宠物食品。它对我们来说不是合适的东西。所以我们通过让每个人以及我们自己因宠物食品而生病而致富。然后我们耗尽了土壤，破坏了世代的健康水平，有些跨代效应我们甚至还没有考虑到。我的意思是，我们知道这对环境雌激素是这样的。
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有些真正令人震惊的事情，有时候我选择不分享，我不喜欢悲观。
在时间线上，你是悲观主义者还是怎样？
我呢，我是乐观主义者。就像药丸有白色和黑色两种，你知道的，有乐观也有悲观地看待事情有多糟糕的现实视角。但我不知道，我相信奇迹。我认为人们会醒悟过来。是的，我认为……
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我喜欢你在X上发的那个帖子。他们说，雷佩特说理想的意识状态是这样的，就像孩子在圣诞节早晨兴奋期待的状态。是的，我认为那是我最喜欢的帖子之一。我只是看到了那只土拨鼠，它兴奋地从笼子里爬出来。太完美了。我用一些神经科学的内容进一步阐述了这一点。我认为那条推文变得更火了。你记得你说了什么吗？
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嗯，是的，这有点偶然，比如我遇到了研究神经反馈的作者们，他们正在研究动机。他们在问人们，如果你能在做任务的同时观察大脑活动的磁共振成像，就像可视化你的大脑活动，你是否能通过看这个条形图上升来激励自己，无论你是否受到激励？你能仅仅通过看它就让图表上升吗？
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然后在一项与动机相关的任务中表现得更好。他们发现，人们做不到这一点。人们不能仅凭看自己的大脑活动就凭空激励自己，直到他们接受了训练。所以，实际上，们首先让人们在没有反馈的情况下自我激励，然后他们做不到。但当他们在能够获得反馈时，他们能够训练自己来激励自己。
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所以他们能够激活大脑的一部分，不是不知道如何去做，但仅仅是通过看到屏幕上的活动，他们就能够提高那个计量器。这样做的作用是让他们在记忆任务上做得更好。
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这项研究的奇怪之处在于，如果人们能看到这个反馈度量，他们可以自我激励。这实际上意味着什么？在你的头脑中，这代表什么状态？人们有各种不同的策略。所以有些人想象自己被朋友们鼓励，这能够激励他们。其他人想象得到金钱奖励。但大家共同的是，他们都感到胸中有这种能量。
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几乎就像有高频噪音试图出来一样。有趣的是，老鼠也会做同样的事情。当它们非常高兴时，会从它们身上发出超声波的叫声。叫声还是吱吱声。是的。人类会不会也有这样的声音？人们认为他们有。这更像是一种感知，不是像真正的超声波噪音。是的，如果你能想象一个小孩，你知道的，看着圣诞树，周围都是礼物。
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你知道他们有点像一束能量，就像试图释放出来的那种感觉，这有点像动机的感觉。如果一切都在它应该在的地方，那么在圣诞节前，一切似乎都很正常，就有那种能量的感觉。有热可可，或者别的什么。
你和家人在一起，看到灯光，有你最喜欢的装饰，树上挂着你的最爱装饰品，还有一个绕着树的小火车，如果你在学校的话就不是这样了，所以有很多美好的感觉，自由，你可以做任何你想做的事情。一切都是积极的。这很酷。我一直在想很多这样的事情。就像会进入黑暗的月份。
也许这有点显而易见，但当我想到它的时候，我想以一种不同的清晰方式表达出来，黑暗的月份充满了所有这些伟大的节日，我就想，为什么，其中一个原因就是你可以谈论收获季节结束了，或者土星节等等，但从基本的人类生存水平来看，在一年中最黑暗的时期，你会得到这些非常美好、有趣、以家庭为中心的节日，让你感到愉快，让你保持缓冲和快乐，雷佩特总是说人类把黑暗的冬季看作是一种非常紧张的状态，夜晚也被看作是紧张的状态。因此，我们一年中最快乐的时候，我们把圣诞节放在那里，世界在我们生理上最黑暗的时期， 那时候阳光有泄漏出来，应该让我们在那种基本的实用层面上继续前行，就像最好的人说的那样，嗯，那不是圣诞节那天。那不是他出生的日子。这太愚蠢了，因为首先它并不重要。其次，把那个节日放在那里真的很好。
从生理学上讲，如果你了解人体的话，这就是为什么他会说那个。如果懂生物能量的话，你会希望圣诞节是在一年中最黑暗的一天， 这里面有个方法， 疯狂之中有它的道理。我们为什么要这么吝啬呢， 人们需要它。我是说雷佩特也说过，在黑暗的月份里有一种对酗酒成瘾的冲动，作为一种应对压力的适应，这样你就能看那个压力因素进入蛋酒，你能看到它进入圣诞果汁，那么它得到了再生氛围、社交和思考世界之光的支持。这太有趣了。我正在和某人交谈，我说，我们小时候计划的所有那些事情，充满了圣诞能量，而圣诞节就是这种能量的精华。
然后随着生活的继续，事情开始让你失望，或者并不像你想象的那样发展。欺凌、失望、背叛、误解，所有这些事情开始累积起来，可能会让你的组织硬化，也会让你的心或精神硬化。它们让你对快乐麻木。它们让你对希望和积极的事物麻木。
对未来充满信念。这变得如此强烈，以至于像Z世代和更年轻的一代，他们往往有这样的感觉，我曾经做过广播节目，我会用那种老派风格，从佛罗里达州中部的核心地带，我会这样做。几乎就像人们会这样看，
他们从未见过这种情况，因为唯一被允许充满热情的时候是以讽刺的方式，或者别的什么方式。你被禁止对你的艺术真诚，因为人们已经对怀疑主义文化感到如此根深蒂固，只是像麻木一样，预先保护你的心免受失望的伤害。
所以，很难改掉这个习惯。很难在看起来像是甲状腺功能减退这样的情况时说，好吧，我现在对未来感觉如何，我不能制定强有力的计划。关于从现在起五到十年后，以我现在的心态，我所知道的事情。
27:18
我现在的心态就像一种压力分子矩阵，由于我所在的环境而被人为地强加于我。所以我不必那样做，换句话说，你怎么能基于一个监狱来制定计划呢？就像如果你发现自己身处牢房，有人对你说，你不必待在这个牢房里，有办法可以逃出去。这就是雷佩特在说的。
27:48
你可以修复你的甲状腺。你可以解决问题，改善你的肠道健康，控制好你的状况。实际上你可以逃离这个牢房。是的。很多人过来跟我说，不，你不能，你必须待在这个牢房里。这就是世界运作的方式。你小时候并没有在监狱里。而现在因为某种原因，你发现自己醒来时身处牢房，被培养成认为，不，你不必如此。于是你开始陷入习得性无助。
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就像你五到十年后会待在那个牢房里一样，为你的生活制定计划。而雷佩特和像他这样的人在说，不，不要制定这样的计划，比如，好吧，五年后，我会在这个牢房里的床架上挂上圣诞灯。这就是我的计划。然后四年后，我希望能从图书馆得到一本破旧不堪的书，并且能够阅读它。
28:42
三年后，我希望能在监狱里享用火鸡三明治过感恩节。是的，我喜欢雷佩特鼓励即兴发挥的方式。你可以随心所欲地接受这个观点。我就直说吧，如果你有时真的不信任别人，并不是每个人都有那种能力，但如果你的激素有缺乏，或者你的甲状腺哪怕只有一点点受损，不要相信你能处理的事情，好像那就是你五年或十年后能处理的事情一样。你可能会逆转衰老。你可能会比以往任何时候都拥有更多的快乐、自发性和创造力。这才是你的天赋所在。
那么让我们深入探讨一下，关于意识，理想的意识状态是兴奋的。我在很多层面上都喜欢这个观点，理想的意识状态就像一个孩子在圣诞早晨兴奋期待的状态。
这就是现实的本质，因为基督就是现实。基督是意识的根源。所有人在他们的理想状态下都兴奋地期待着基督的回归，正如圣诞节故事中显现的作为订金的基督。给世界带来欢乐。 给世界带来欢乐。是的，希望在未来是最重要的东西。
我认为我们的新陈代谢就依赖于这个。但如果你不了解基督教故事，谁会对未来抱有希望呢？基督教故事给了我们一个观念，即我们原本就有未来，对吧？异教徒迷失在尼采称之为“永恒轮回”的东西中，即历史只是一个循环，你知道的，它全都是一个基于季节的循环，不存在春天。
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相对于未来而言，过去是怎样的。这只是一个完美的循环。而这个循环实际上是由暴力来调节的，由权力和实力来调节，通过征服对手。归根结底，异教徒秩序的核心，即前基督教秩序，一切都是关于实力决定正义。这听起来很陈词滥调，但实际上是真的，因为如果没有那个咒语，你就无法解释牺牲和异教徒意义上的权力观念。
31:12
咒语就是“我有力量，这给了我统治或按我的意愿照顾我的人民的权利”。当然。所以这是对基督教价值观的一种替代。对。
31:35
我对基督教故事与雷·皮特在生物学层面上所理解的东西之间的交汇点感到着迷。我认为，如果我们说基督是所有事物的国王，那么这也包括生物学。生物学并不是一个与无神论者或理查德·道金斯这类人无关的独立领域。
31:55
他们只是接触到了它，但实际上它是基督，对吧？所以基督创造了二氧化碳，使其在人体内发挥应有的作用，对我们人类、植物和动物都有益。这些事物之所以被设计出来，是因为上帝喜欢它们。他们不仅仅是随机碰撞的分子，而上帝就像个小幽灵一样，觉得“哦哇，真有趣”。嗯，我真的很关心你的精神生活。不，它们都是相互交织在一起的，对吧？
32:26
是的，有一位科学家我非常喜欢。他的名字是菲利普·S·卡拉汉。我认为他的想法与雷·皮特的观点非常一致。
32:34
这是雷·皮特在《心灵与能量》中的一段引言。我现在就读给你们听。它说：“当我们对磁性、水以及原生质的结构有了更多了解，从而确保远程安全时，我们大概可以期待看到利用结构化水、山间空气、电子和环境磁性的综合效应建立起的常规大脑提升度假胜地。在某些地区可能已经存在最佳条件，这解释了当地居民的独特活力。”
33:03
哇。谁说的？那是雷·皮特。哦，好的，很酷。那是在哪本书里？《心灵与组织》。好的。是的，这是一本关于苏联科学的书，我认为他在书中主要讨论磁性。是的。所以我经常把这位科学家菲利普·S·卡拉汉与雷·皮特联系在一起，因为我认为他非常像雷·皮特，他只是一个对自然非常敏感的人。
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你知道的，并不是刻意去为了工作或其他原因而弄清楚事情。那只是他试图理解自然的热情。他最初研究昆虫，并提出它们以别人未曾描述的方式对红外辐射做出反应。
所以，他假设昆虫与环绕我们周围的这个看不见的世界产生了共鸣。他提出了一些非常卓越的见解，不仅涉及昆虫交流和电磁辐射，还涉及土壤的磁性特征。我知道我在这里有点离题，但是……
是的，土壤的磁性特征是他关注的另一个重点。他是一个虔诚的宗教信徒，实际上他将这些特性与欧洲的教堂中的奇迹地点联系起来，将科学与超自然现象联系在一起，他认为这是
正确的事情，因为这一切都属于上帝的领域，不是吗？对。是的。超自然，我们要清楚，这是我们称之为超自然的。它并不是说，它是超越自然的东西，我们认为的可观察的自然。这意味着我们并没有完全理解我们所处的完整现实。对。这并不意味着，问题在于当你把超自然的事物，再次，这种二元分隔，对吧？
你创造了这个地球和这个星球以及所有的一切，都是自然而然地发生的。这并不意味着这是一种简化，说，嗯，你知道，超自然就是超越自然的东西，我们认为是可观察的自然。这意味着我们并没有完全理解我们所处的完整现实。
有一个神奇的盒子叫做超自然。还有一个盒子叫做自然。我们就在那里做真正的事情。超自然的事情就是我们那些有趣的小随机事情，我们解释不了。不过，事情并不是这样。实际上，超自然曾经是我们现在认为是自然的东西，你知道的，我们存在的自然部分。我认为那么多人一生都在构建他们的自我形象，复杂得很，就像这是我的个性，但现实是，不，那完全是在皮质醇和血清素以及过多的雌激素和甲状腺功能减退等所有这些雷·皮特非常热衷于强调的“值得一看”的因素所塑造的个性。
人们说，主啊，原谅别人太难了。那么，你检查过你的甲状腺吗？对了。主啊，保持乐观很难。那么，你检查过你的新陈代谢吗？对了。你怎么知道呢？你可以选择成为任何东西。你可以拥有一个健康的甲状腺，却选择去做坏事。但最终，事情会变得越来越难。人们认为他们生来就像是小虫子，而上帝则是天空中愤怒的海军陆战队员教官，他就像是在说，你敢不敢说。
除非你完美无瑕，并且喜欢某种程度上的法律，这种法律甚至被认为高于他自己的恩典和怜悯。这是许多人的想象。他是一个严厉、残酷的灵魂，你知道的，当索伦的眼睛注视着你时，他会看到你这个悲惨的小虫子，如此的不完美。我认为这并非如此，我认为这是由压力所创造的对上帝的一种概念。
是的，说得好。雷·皮特绝对反对基督教的这种观念，尽管他并没有明确地阐述基督教是什么或应该是什么。你知道，他对那件事采取了放手的态度。但他确实说过这种关于静态结构的权威观点，就像人们被困在某种方式中，然后有对和错。你知道，雷·皮特对此持反对态度，并且反对这种对上帝的审判性看法。对。
你认为这可能正是支撑着很多事物的根基，就像你去看土壤，谈论土壤的磁性结构。我一直在想，将人类从银行家等事物中解放出来的方法就是修复土壤。因为某种原因，这好像是我在一生中不断听到的一个信息，你必须修复土壤。
你治愈土壤，不知怎的，这太奇怪了，因为你会想，嗯，我真的不知道。我可以做一些解释，说明如何解决这个问题，但这就像是手套一样合适，难以完全表达出来，就像修复土壤、治愈土壤。这样就能让银行家的杂草消失。对吧。或者，农业方面，他们有像线虫这样的害虫。
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这些微小的线虫银行及其对世界的影响，他们对我们、对我们的奴役，以债务的形式奴役我们。就像你想为什么有人会贷款30年或什么的，他们会把这种奴役的重担放在自己头上。他们说，这不是奴役。我能赚X金额的钱。我可以轻松负担得起。是的。但你做的是什么样的工作？你有多少小时在无休止的竞争中追逐虚无？
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当你临终时，这一切都不再重要了。重要的是，正如你所说，爱。如果你的孩子看不到你因为工作太忙、偿还某种巴比伦式的利率而去爱他们，那这真的是活着的意义吗？这真的是成为人类的意义吗？如果你关心证明你的男子气概，因为你想要展示你是供养者，这真的是成为人的意义吗？
39:47
我所知道的那些百万富翁和那些一生追求名利的人，他们真的，他们是……对于他们的家庭生活条件以及他们无法体验、分享或传递给其他人的缺乏关爱，我感到非常痛苦。是的。这似乎是我们需要重点关注的方面，我不知道我们如何能够解决世界问题。而这就是我们获取所有食物的地方。是的。
40:15
那种农业体系似乎已经被工业寄生。你每天如何维持饮食？你对什么食物感到满意，或者你觉得什么食物对你的繁荣、工作中的愉悦感和创造力有帮助？是的，我经常做冰棍。是的。
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是的，非常简单且非常实惠。只需要椰子油、奶粉、牛奶和一个鸡蛋。你只需要一个搅拌机。就这样，它含有大量的糖分。所以我早餐会喝这种奶昔。有时候我会用蓝莓或者少量咖啡来调整口味。
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但是的，我也会吃真正的食物。我的意思是，我能很好地消化淀粉。这有点有争议，但我认为真正煮熟的土豆占据了我大部分的卡路里，我要这么说。是的。而且它们的一个好处是土豆富含酮酸。所以这些物质就像蛋白质一样，有助于降低氨，而氨是身体蛋白质分解的产物。
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所以土豆对我很好。然后我会尝试购买质量上乘的肉，我认为这是我钱包里最大的开销。所以我选择的是胶状切割的肉类。我是个大粉丝，喜欢羊腿和羊肩胛骨，有时候也喜欢火鸡肉翅。这些食物都相当有胶质。所以你知道的，它们能平衡氨基酸。这对长寿和降低压力有益。
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偶尔我也会吃点海鲜。这些食物富含微量元素。特别是硒，对甲状腺激素的转化有益。所以从某种意义上说，它有助于促进甲状腺功能。它含有碘，而且味道很好。我爱虾。我不是牡蛎的超级粉丝。所以我不会经常尝试吃牡蛎，但是，你知道的，从营养上来说，它们也很不错。是的，这就是我饮食的大致情况。你喜欢橙汁吗？你喝吗？
42:32
哦，是的。实际上，我喜欢做果酱。这大概是我获取柑橘类水果的主要方式。我发现这个做法非常棒。你可以用整个橙子，不必扔掉果皮。而且里面含有各种有益化合物。你不喜欢超市里的橙汁吗？我一直在尝试各种品牌。它们之间的质量真的有很大差异。所以我还在摸索中。不过，这些果汁确实很好。
43:06
那么，你认为我们周围的人有哪些东西会受益呢？这和追随雷和他圈子里其他人推广的那些受欢迎的小食有关吗？还是说，这更多是关于心态，或者以上所有因素？或者，如果你研究这种全面的生物能量领域，你认为人们应该从中受益的一些事情是什么呢？我认为对每个人来说最容易的事情就是多吃点明胶。
你知道的，这是一个容易实施的方法，而且没有争议。所以说实话，尤其是从祖先论的角度来说，要说服人们这一点更容易。你知道，我们过去会用动物的各个部分，现在我们只吃肌肉肉。这对人们来说是直观上合理的。如果这是我唯一能给出的建议，是的。在你的研究中，有没有什么最奇怪或最离奇的事情让你印象深刻？
或者有几件事情，随便啦。你知道的，总是有有趣的事情，你知道的，当你沿着像二氧化碳研究这样的兔子洞深入探索时。我知道大家最近发了很多引言。那个蓝账号，她一直在发布关于Maduna关于二氧化碳疗法的引言，你知道的，使用大量的二氧化碳。
为了解决恐惧和无神论等问题，这太奇怪了。你知道的，我甚至不明白这怎么就那么吸引人。我很想听听这方面的案例研究。就像有人走进去的时候像个咆哮的理查德·道金斯，走出来的时候却像特蕾莎修女一样，你知道的，那到底是怎么回事，一个疗程。我的天啊。这是怎么起作用的？我想知道所有关于这个的信息。我是说，这真的，是的。
对于我这个好奇心重的人来说，你知道的，就是这类事情。我喜欢这种奇特的科学。有没有什么类似的东西，你知道的，是你学到或者偶然遇到的？我认为你已经提到了一些这样的小而有趣的事情，就像你到目前为止提到的一些事情。但是，你知道，有一件我觉得很酷的事情是巧合。最近发现，心脏中给其结构定型的那种蛋白质实际上把心肌细胞粘在一起。它们是非常动态的蛋白质。
所以几秒钟内，你知道的，如果你经历所谓的战斗或逃跑反应或者肾上腺素激增，比如有人突然吓了你一跳，这些把心肌细胞粘在一起的蛋白质实际上会让你从细胞内部拉出储备蛋白质并将它们运送到相邻细胞的锚定点。这意味着，就像开关一拨，你的心脏就会像物理上那样收紧。对。
是的，我觉得这很了不起，因为你知道，《出埃及记》这本书里，当摩西挑战法老并且说“让我的人民去，一次又一次地施展所有这些奇迹”时，它说法老的心变得刚硬。所以我觉得这是一个了不起的类比，因为我们最近才发现，哦，这实际上是真的会发生的事情。是的，这很酷。是的。是的。
我认为耶稣说我们是他的身体这个想法从生物能量的角度来看是很有趣的，对吧？那么压力这个概念，压力机制在想要模仿耶稣的人们的集体体中自行运作，因为那确实是你所说的“我的身体”的意思。这意味着人们因共同渴望模仿耶稣的方式而紧密相连，对吧？
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那么，是什么社会压力机制爆发出来导致身体受损呢？对。然后，考虑到细胞如何交流，以及我们在这一领域正在学习的一些很酷的东西，你知道的，或者是重新发现很久以前做过的事情，颜色如何影响身体，光线在与不同组织交流时如何影响身体，以及，嗯，
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马修·斯皮尔曼在我最近和他一起做的一期节目中谈到了这一点，以及所有这些事情是如何组成一支宏大的管弦乐队，而我们甚至几乎不理解其中的任何一部分。正如你所提到的，我们还能从中学到多少东西呢？
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如果我们都能摆脱那种战斗或逃跑的心态，我必须先伤害你，你才不会伤害我。这是人性中非常重要的一部分。人们告诉我们，认为我们可以让大众摆脱这种心态是天真的。你觉得这是天真呢，还是你认为这只是某种可以轻易实现的东西？
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我对此深信不疑。是的。生物学中有一些有趣的类比，你可以对许多事物做出微小的改变，这会在细胞中引起巨大的全球性变化。是的。有些人说，你知道的，雷挑选出所有这些西方饮食中的标志性主要食品，牛奶、橙汁、蘑菇、胡萝卜沙拉、蔬菜、糖、可口可乐。我的意思是，这些是西方世界消费最多的产品。为什么我们看不到没有压力的人复兴呢？这里到底发生了什么？是的。你知道，有一句他的名言。他说他可能造成的最有害的影响就是缺乏有意义的选择。所以这听起来像是在暗示，你知道的，你可以有很多好事发生，但可能最重要的事情是……
影响你的方向感的是对未来的希望，即你拥有选择的能力。我的意思是，如果你看看那些老鼠的学习无助实验，真的只是一件事或一系列事件导致了它感知和行为上的巨大转变，你可以通过服用甲状腺补充剂来逆转这一情况。
我曾经尝试过，但实际上我现在并不定期服用。为什么？是因为太奇怪了吗？这很困难。是的。是的，我认为像其他一些人已经注意到不同批次的效果有所不同。你曾经服用过雷过去推荐的Cynomel或Armor吗？不，我没有服用过干燥甲状腺补充剂。我只是因为其他人使用它时遇到的困难而有点疏远它。
有些人效果显著。那个西诺美尔和西诺普拉斯呢？它们是合成的，对吧？是的，那些是合成的。所以它们应该效果不错。我吃过乔治的甲状腺补充剂，但不一样，因为它们是液体配方。所以，是的，我不是那种小量尝试的人，就像他们说的那样。你觉得这太……是不是很难在不伤害自己的情况下调整正确剂量，对你来说？不，我不觉得这是个问题。只是……
你知道，你必须考虑，比如，调整剂量和你当前的状态所需的精力。比如，你从这当中获益吗？而且我用其他方法在改善基础体温、整体活力方面取得了非常好的效果。那么我们来谈谈你可以分享一些数据，比如你之前的状态，醒来时的体温是多少，现在是多少，或者你想要达到的温度是多少，以及现在是多少？好的，当然。我的意思是，在我开始补充营养之前，
我之前认为低体温比较好，因为，你知道，我曾经觉得这是有道理的。就像如果你消耗的能量不多，它就能持续更久。是的，是的。不过，无论如何，我整天都没有达到过98度。早上还是任何时候？不，一整天都是。比如早上，我可能会醒来时体温大约是96.8度左右。
然后可能会在97.6度左右达到高峰。所以我不会达到98度，甚至都不会达到所谓的标准98度。6，但只是像维生素这样的东西。按照传统定义，这会被认为是甲状腺功能减退吗？是的，当然按Broderbarns的定义是这样。那么到目前为止，你的水平是多少呢？
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是的，有时候我在没有吃黄油补充剂的情况下，一天中的温度能上升到99度。在早上吗？或者你几点起床？我通常是在97.9度左右醒来。我还没有完全达到98度的清醒状态。但我注意到影响我的体温的最大因素就是活动。如果我整天做一些刺激性的活动，我的数值就会上升。这并不完全取决于我吃什么或者我必然得到多少光。这更像
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做事情和保持参与对我来说是最大的因素。你吃很多脂肪还是保持低脂肪摄入？像很多人那样。
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天哪，我不怎么跟踪这个。我的意思是，你是否注意不要混合你的宏观营养素，还是你想吃什么就吃什么？不，我不太担心这个。这是未来的发展趋势。它必须是人们可以喜欢的东西，而不是每顿饭都让人紧张的事情，因为没人想只吃没有配料的土豆。他们想要有点味道，或者是一些油或黄油之类的。我的意思是，
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关键是要听从你的身体。总是说，听从你的身体。你的身体在同时摄入脂肪和碳水化合物时最开心。是的，一点点脂肪。我的意思是，它还应该防止吸收不良，这在喂养周期中偶尔会出现的问题。那是什么问题呢？
53:20 是的，那时候淀粉分子或者理论上任何东西都不当地穿过肠道黏膜，然后进入血液。好的。他们说的肠壁渗漏是指这个吗？是的，这与此有关。所以如果你有肠壁渗漏的问题，吸收可能会更困难。这可能会中断循环，仅仅引起全身性炎症。
53:43 那么你的甲状腺亢进的梦想是什么？当你处于最具创造力的巅峰状态时，你想用你的能量做什么？你希望看到什么发生？在生活中，你想成为什么的一部分？有没有什么你想完成或实现的，科学地发现，统计上创建，或者，你知道的，清理你的衣柜之类的，你知道的，你最想做的事情是什么？
54:10 是的，我的意思是，我正在朝那个方向努力。就像当我开始喂食的时候，我对引擎一无所知。然后我开始了一个修复摩托车的项目。是的，我让它运转起来了。就像我一直在这个状态下。这是我的副业，就像我开始推特一样。
54：28 所以进展得很顺利。我认为在那之后我想做的是建造水族箱。所以我一直对沃尔斯塔布方法感兴趣。是的，我想用我所有的精力去做的一件事就是建造水族箱。我对这种无过滤器方法真的非常感兴趣。是的，到目前为止，我只是阅读了相关资料。它是关于热带鱼还是什么，我还不知道。我的意思是，你首先要做的是分阶段进行。所以你首先需要水生植物。
然后在那之后你可以引入鱼类，可能还有蜗牛和虾。我有时候会开这个玩笑，但我不会介意从事像虾养殖这样的职业，或者生产真正的商品，也许你可以把它卖给鸡农之类的。就这样，是的，这就是我们需要的，我们需要聪明的想法来改变农业。
正如你所说，支持人类，这真是个新颖的概念。为什么我们不能这样做呢？你知道的，为什么一切都要反人类呢？你知道的，随便拿起一样东西，你知道的，面包太反人类了，你知道的，大多数时候，那些便宜的，你知道的，面粉，反人类。是的，事物已经被以很多方式设计出来了。
是的。你知道的，有一件真正令人震惊的事情我可以告诉你。所以我们甚至对我们食物做的那些旨在改善它的处理最终都会完全适得其反。所以如果你在商店里找到培根，它总是会添加抗坏血酸或赤藓糖醇。所以那是维生素C或异构维生素C。这是联邦政府的强制规定。它在美国联邦法规法典中有规定。你必须给腌制肉类添加维生素C或赤藓糖醇。其理念是它能防止腌制肉类中的硝酸盐，或者对不起，硝酸盐转化成致癌的亚硝胺。在纸面上，这听起来很不错，但2006年的研究发现，在脂肪存在的情况下，维生素C实际上会加速亚硝胺的形成。哇。
是的。所以这个本应保护人们健康的政策可能正在起到相反的作用。就好像有一些小恶魔之类的东西在规章中偷偷摸摸地塞入一些小东西。我不知道，伙计。这太疯狂了。是的。这太疯狂了。就像那些讨厌人类的小恶魔。你知道的，我想杀了它们。把它放进去。然后他们就像，哦，这是什么？这会对他们有帮助。然后，好吧，我们听你的。我们把它藏起来了。是的。然后很多人都在痛苦中。这就像是，真是个变态，不管是谁干的。
我非常感激你的时间。你还有什么最后想和我们分享的想法，或者告诉我们如何关注你，或者网站，或者有什么值得期待的事情吗？是的。嗯，我在推特上叫Pete Pell。我没有东西要卖。我很感激每一个关注我的人。我只是想提醒人们直接喜欢阅读Ray Pete的内容。有很多东西，很多推广者，一些人在Pete的推特上有不同的议程，但是你知道，我只是出于对游戏的热爱来做这件事。所以是的，
非常好。人们怎么阅读它呢？你有没有一个资源或者人们可以直接在哪里阅读他的作品，除了网站RayPete.com之类的？我认为大多数人已经知道那些主要的了。但是是的，bioenergetic.life很棒。这是一个开放的搜索，可以找到Ray Pete所有采访的转录稿。所以，如果你想知道他对威廉·科赫携带癌症的说法，你可以找到雷·皮特提到这个的每一次。
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好的，非常好。感谢你的到来。我真的很享受这次对话。谢谢。嘿，感谢邀请我。这很棒。非常感激。保重。再次，如果你想关注我们，可以发邮件到 a neighbor's choice.com 的 hello@。我是大卫·格罗农夫斯基。祝一切顺利。
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Today's guest is Pete Pillman. How you doing? Hi, Dave. Glad to be on the show. Great to be with you as well. And I think we're going to be in for a fun conversation like we expect here on the show. And I'm going to start with the first question, which is what could be more important to understand than biological energy? What could be more important to understand than that? We all depend on it. And I think there are really cool analogies to be made between 语法解析
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how energy supports the body, and probably also how society functions as a whole. How would that be a connection you would make? Why do you make that connection? Aren't we supposed to look at everything as separated? Everything is supposed to have a specialist separation, right? So why are you connecting biological energy with how society should function? 语法解析
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Yeah, I think repeat encourage like generalization and analogies as a way to think about things and not just analytical logic and compartmentalization. You know, it's easy to make analogies between the body and society. I mean, just like in the body, you have different organs supporting the whole structure, the whole function. Society has like different occupations, different like ways we manage infrastructure, you know, 语法解析
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Yeah, and we all depend on energy. Right. What is energy? Well, so I actually got a minor in physics in college, and the definition there is the capacity to do work. It's kind of a dry-in definition. That's a puritanical definition of energy. I guess you could say so. But energy is the stuff that makes stuff go, right? You know, that's something a lot of people say today. Let's go! Have you heard that? Yeah. Yeah. 语法解析
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LFG. That's what they say. A lot of people want to have energy at least. Yeah. Energy is an interesting topic because machines, we're all familiar with the way machines depend on energy. And I think biological systems don't work in the same way. And they kind of run counter to our intuition. Like with a machine, the more energy is available, the better the machine functions or the more kind of output you get. 语法解析
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But with a biological system, you know, we like to say it takes energy to relax. It's sort of counterintuitive. And as you decrease the energy in an organism, you end up with like a rigidifying or a failure to inhibit energetic processes. So in some sense, when an organism is less energetic, it becomes more chaotic and mismanaged. Yeah. So does that mean that we should not say energy is a positive? It has a dark side to that or something? 语法解析
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Well, it's just a way to understand energy. I think, yeah, there can be a dark side to energy if you don't really understand it. What do you think, you know, creates energy? Is it matter or is it something else? Is matter and energy, you know, kind of coexistent, eternally intertwined together or does one derive from the other? Hmm. 语法解析
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Wait, could you repeat that question? I'm sorry. Like, is energy a property of matter or is it some kind of like co-existing kind of like, kind of like some people would say, 语法解析
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matter had a beginning and some people would say matter had, has always been eternal. And then we'll say that energy is just like a downstream property of, of matter. And other people might say that no matter energy are kind of like intertwined together in some kind of dance. That's like not one is, is, is the parent of the other. Yeah. I think energy can be contained in like the, the structure of matter. Yeah, certainly. But energy is also, 语法解析
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sort of an abstract thing that's contained in motion. Right. What do you think about the state of physics since you studied physics? Do you think physics needs a revolution similar to what perhaps Ray Peet might have envisioned for biology? Yeah. And physics could, well, let me say this. Physics has always been trending toward a unification of different concepts and 语法解析
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And at the turn of the 19th century going into the 20th century, we saw this happen in a big way with electromagnetism. We realized that these two fields are actually kind of the same thing, just in a different reference frame. And Einstein made the same observation with time and space. They're really interchangeable. So what is like the next step in the unification of physics? I don't know, but I think that's the trend. 语法解析
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I've often promoted my co-host who does a program called Science and You with me. We used to do it almost nightly. And then when we went to an afternoon show on radio, we did it nightly. 语法解析
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Sometimes once a week or sometimes more than once a week, but it was called Science and You with my co-host, Dr. Weiping Yu, who's a NASA physicist and he does a lot of work in aerospace. But one of the things that he developed, which is his crowning achievement of life, is what he believes to be the full unification of all physics as one particle, one law, one force, one field, one universe, right? 语法解析
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That is magnetic particles, dipolar magnetic particles. So he thinks that we made a mistake around the time that we started to assume that because there's two electrical charges, there must be two distinct particles carrying those charges. Of course, neutrons too, but positive and negative and neutral, rather than, you know, that's a left brain kind of left hemisphere brain dominant assumption that 语法解析
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that may have been incorrect. We might need to think, go back to it and say, well, if there's two positive and negative, there might be two poles of a magnet. And what we see as magnetism and electromagnetism is actually this fundamental force of all things. We don't need to postulate these kind of just-so forces like strong force and weak force. And we don't need to come up with kind of exotic forces 语法解析
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unprovable things like antimatter or, you know, all this stuff, we can actually unify everything much more simple, much more elegant, one particle, a dipolar magnetic particle with positive negative poles. Uh, and then the way in which it arranges itself structurally creates different, uh, you know, molecules and everything else that we see in the universe. And that we don't have to assume bizarre things like wave particle dualities, uh, 语法解析
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Everything is just explained as this existing magnetic medium that has infinitely divisible little magnets, little dipolar magnets. So I think that that physics theory, I've seen enough evidence over the course of my research into this independently to confirm that I believe he's on to something and that with this unification of physics will open up 语法解析
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The potential for a lot of profound innovations that can help humanity move past itself. I want to ask you a question because I think you'll, I think you'll, and if you need to say something else about whatever I said, that's fine too. But something that comes to mind that I think you might be able to help us with. 语法解析
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A lot of times when people say that, you know, when I say, hey, let's have energy too cheap to meter, let's have, you know, endless abundant energy, let's have, you know, rare earth elements that we can transmute from trash rather than having to dig through the belly of the earth. Let's have anti-gravity instead of having to change your tires every year, whatever, six months or whatever you do. 语法解析
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What about this idea that people will tell you, oh, well, you know, if we solve humanity's problems, if we cure all these diseases, we'll just become worse and worse anyways, because then we'll just, we're so petty that once we have 语法解析
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not to worry about all these afflictions and diseases. And once we have abounding energy and we don't have to spend 70 hours or a hundred hours a week, a work week away from our family, once we know what causes stress in our body, then we can eat abundant, rich, delicious foods without breaking the bank to do so. Once we have all those things, we'll be hell on earth because humans are so petty and so evil and so wicked that 语法解析
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That they'll just squabble. Now, on one hand, there's a side of me that says, absolutely. It sounds like there could be a truth to that criticism of my vision because I know how petty and mimetic human beings are. But on the other hand, I'm like, I feel like that's another learned helplessness myth that's made to keep us stuck in the doldrums and just despairing and just putting our nose to the grind and just like compromising with our potential. What do you think? Yeah. 语法解析
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Ray quoted Bertrand Russell. He said, without cooperation, humanity is finished. Right. Yeah. So the big question is, how do we encourage cooperation? Yeah. Like while we progress through all these technologies that make our lives so much easier and that act like a force multiplier for us to accomplish anything, anything in our will. Yeah. Yeah. 语法解析
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I don't know, that's the big question. Nietzsche, I think, has a quote as well, it's like, beware of unearned wisdom. So the proper trajectory for humanity and society seems to be like, where we achieve all these things cooperatively, and that cooperation is sustained once we get to that level. And what does that mean to achieve it cooperatively? What does that look like? Hmm. 语法解析
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What does that look like for us to work together and change the world? Yeah, because some people would say, well, we need to have a communist political thing. Or some people would say, oh, no, you can do plenty of cooperation nonviolently, noncoercively through mutual aid organizations or worker-owned cooperatives or just highly… 语法解析
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ethically kind and considerate companies even can structurally become very cooperative. I don't know how to say it without sounding like a hippie. We've all got to love each other, man. I don't know. Because I'm actually really against authoritarian kind of just like top-down ruling. Like, you know, we might agree like seed oils are bad, but it's probably the wrong move, in my opinion, for the government to ban them. 语法解析
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I mean, it sets a precedent for the government being able to tell us what's right and wrong. But I think we should be able to see in ourselves and choose for ourselves the right thing. Right, right. That's a tough one, too, because there's so much entrenched corporate power that only has their power over the market in food and soaps and all these things that we're told – 语法解析
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you know, are not so good for us. They only got that kind of massive monopoly with, but because of corporate subsidies and rigged, I call them rigged regulations, the rigged regulations. Absolutely. Yeah. Rigged regulations and corporate subsidies and trade deals and monetary policies and all kinds of things. 语法解析
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are all situated in such that they create these parasitical corporate oligarchs that are able to just load so many essential things with so many anti-human substances. And I am like you. I don't believe in authoritarianism, but I've become so, I guess, just thinking, well, I don't think the public seems to be ready to wake up to like a Ron Paul style thing 语法解析
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you know, voluntarist vision of society yet. So in the meantime, you know, let's be optimistic. Maybe they'll be ready for it in 50 years. In the meantime, transition, if we can, we transition to using the coercive power of the state against its own parasitical drivers of evil, such that 语法解析
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Like right now, you know, they ban certain carcinogens and so forth from being in the food supply. Right. And why can't they just ban seed oil since there are known carcinogen and phase them out? I don't, I understand you can't do that overnight. You'd kill all these small mom and pop restaurants and so forth and cripple the economy. But if you gave like a five year phase out window, you know, 语法解析
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and like repealed all the subsidies and stuff. I mean, it would be catastrophic. Our whole system in our country is so built on so much evil that you can't repent of it even if you wanted to in any kind of immediate timeframe. And so therefore, folks who don't have a lot of money are going to be poisoned. And it's a very ethically fraught situation because you're like, 语法解析
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Man, every time people have to slam, you know, I mean, just the endless stuff, you know, shampoos with garbage in it, destroying your cells. Apparently we heard that from my friend anabolic on our show, on our show. And, you know, about what Gilbert Ling said about sodium. Was it laurate or something? The detergent. Yeah. The sodium lauryl sulfate, something like that. Yeah. And everything and. 语法解析
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Put that in the detergent, put that in your tooth. Yeah. And hardly anyone knows what these things are. They're ubiquitous. Yeah. It's like, you know, what the hell? Why do we have so many anti-human things touching humans like at every level of existence in this country? And then you think, oh, you know, like I'm with you. Like my spirit is with you. Like, yeah, it's volunteerism. It's we have to do this to the people, but the people don't. 语法解析
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I mean, to the extent that they wake up, it's just so slow. It's like it can't compete with the level of violence and trickery that's being done unto them on a cellular level every day. And so you think, well, could we do as long as the people are going to 100 percent agree, Democrat, Republican, everybody else. 语法解析
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that we need a state and it's going to be involved in our lives to the point where it's banning carcinogens. Can we turn that predatorial state against itself? Because I see things like seed oils as a kind of really like a bioweapon that the state without seed oils, would the state be as big and permissive and pervasive and as controlling and coercive as it is today? I don't think so. I think you needed to dumb down the population, drop their IQ, and 语法解析
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drop their energy level, put them in a state of torpor, put them in a state of fatigue and chronic fatigue and chronic deficiency of minerals, and just put them in a state of mental illness where they're flipping off and they can't have emotional control and they're just suspicious and paranoid. All those things are proven by seed oils. 语法解析
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This is not something… It seems to go hand in hand with the complacency in people. Like, it saps their energy. But I don't know. Sometimes I think it's maybe just incidental. But the spirit of, like, why seed oils are so popular is… Like, its origin is evil. 语法解析
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And the way the factory farms got so big, you know, at the expense of the small farms was economic. In the 1970s, it was like part of an economic plan to maximize the size of farms, maximize output with no regard to like market forces. We paid farmers to just produce as much as possible. And then the government said, you know, if you can't sell it, we'll buy it. 语法解析
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and then if we can't figure out what to do with it we'll put our scientists on it that's that's actually like how we got high fructose corn syrup and everything which i know is not really a big peter issue um but it just kind of speaks to like the spirit of our agricultural system and our industry and our industry and technology system it's like it's not it's not centered around humans it's centered around profit 语法解析
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And so, yeah, seed oils are just like kind of one output of like, you know, we just need to make as much big farms as possible. We need to own the global economy. So lots of other countries are dependent on our products to feed their farms and so forth. And yeah, the excess will just somehow convert into food and get it into people just to keep making money. And yeah, we're reaping what we sow now, like cancer's up, autoimmunity's up, all because of the spirit of like our original choice 语法解析
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to make this system was not centered around people. Yes, yes. What was it centered around? Just money. I mean, specifically in the 1970s, the Nixon administration wanted to make the farms as big as possible, kind of in a competition with the Soviet Union. They were our big rival at the time. And, you know, we just wanted to, like, beat them in owning that type of economy, like selling agricultural stuff in the global market. Mm-hmm. 语法解析
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And that pet food has poisoned the whole world, you know? Yeah, it's basically pet food. It's not the right stuff for us. And so we got rich getting everybody sick and ourselves sick on pet food. And then we depleted the soils and we destroyed generational levels of health, right? Yeah, there are transgenerational effects we haven't even reckoned with. I mean, we know that's true with xenoestrogens. 语法解析
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some really shocking stuff that like i could share about that sometimes i sometimes i choose not to i don't like black pilling on the timeline yeah are you black pilled or what uh i'm pete pilled which is like there's white pills and black pills in there you know there's there's optimism and there's there's a a bleak realistic outlook of how bad things are but i don't know i believe in miracles i think people will wake up yeah i think um 语法解析
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I like this post you made on X. They said, Ray Pete said the ideal state of consciousness is this, the excitedly expected state of a child on Christmas morning. Yeah, I think that was one of my most liked posts. I just saw that groundhog so excited to wake up coming out of its cage. And it fits so perfectly. Yeah. I elaborated that on a bit with some neuroscience. I think that tweet got even bigger. Yeah, what did you, do you remember what you said? 语法解析
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Um, yeah, so it's kind of by chance, like I met the authors who did a study on neurofeedback and they were studying motivation. They were asking people like if you could look at an MRI, like like visualization of your brain activity at the same time as you're doing a task, could you motivate yourself just looking at like this bar graph go up if you're motivated or not? Can you make that graph go up just by looking at it? 语法解析
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and then perform better on a task which is associated with motivation. And what they found out was like, people can't do that. People can't just motivate themselves out of thin air, just looking at their own brain activity until they get training. So that, well, actually, yeah, they first asked people to do to motivate themselves, like without the feedback, and then they couldn't do it. But when they when they were able to have the feedback, they were able to train themselves to motivate themselves. 语法解析
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so they're able to activate a part of their brain you know not not knowing like really how to do that um but just by by seeing that activity on a screen they were able to to move that meter up and what that does was make them better at a memory task um yeah so 语法解析
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The weird thing about this study was like, okay, so people can motivate themselves if they can see this feedback measure. What does that actually mean? Like internally in your mind, what does that state like? And people had all kinds of different strategies. So some people imagined they were being cheered on by friends and that was able to motivate them. Others imagined getting a money reward. But what everybody had in common was that they felt this energy in their chest. 语法解析
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Almost like a high-pitched noise was trying to come out. And it's interesting to note that mice do the same thing. When they're overjoyed, an ultrasonic chirp comes out of them. An ultrasonic what? A chirp or squeak. Yeah. Does that be measured in humans? They make a sound like that? People think they do. It's more like a perception. It's not like a real ultrasonic noise. Yeah, if you can imagine like a kid, you know, looking at the Christmas tree, there's presents all around. 语法解析
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you know they're kind of like a bundle of energy it's like trying to come out that's the kind of that's the kind of feeling that's analogous to to what motivation is like and it's and everything right if if everything's where it's supposed to be it tends to feel everything is right with the world before christmas right yeah yeah yeah there's that sensation of energy yeah you have the hot cocoa you know what i mean or whatever and you 语法解析
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You're with your family and you see the lights and you have your favorite, you have your favorite decorations that you have on the tree and you have a little train around the tree and you're not in school if you're in, you know what I mean? So there's a lot of good feelings, right? Yeah. The freedom, like you can do whatever you want. Everything is like positive. You know, it's cool. A lot of those, I was thinking about that. It's like, you know, you get into the dark months. 语法解析
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and maybe this is a little bit like self-evident, but it took me, I just thought about it, I guess, in a different clear way that the dark months are filled with all these great holidays, you know? And I was like, why the reason why, one of the reasons why you can talk about, well, the harvest season is done and so forth or Saturnalia and all these little things, but fundamentally from a basic human existence level, 语法解析
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you get these really nice, fun, family-oriented holidays at the darkest periods of the year to kind of cheer you up, right? And keep you buffered and joyful, right? So, you know, how Ray always talks about how humans kind of see dark winter as a very stressed state and nighttime as a stressed state. So the most joyful time of the year, we put 语法解析
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Christmas, the light of the world at the darkest period physiologically in our bodies, so to speak, right? Where there's a leaky amount of sunlight and it's supposed to kind of keep us going on that basic pragmatic level of like, you know, the nicest people say, well, that's not the day Christmas. That's not when he was born. It's so dumb because it doesn't matter, first of all. And second of all, it's really a nice place to put that holiday in. 语法解析
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physiologically speaking if you understand the human body right that's why he said what's more yeah well said standing biological energy if you if you know biological energy you'd like christmas to be at the darkest day of the year yeah there's a method to it yeah yeah there's a method to the madness why do we have to be so grinchy you know yeah and people need it i mean ray also said there's like a compulsion towards alcoholism in the dark months yeah as a as an adaptation to that stressor so you can 语法解析
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You see that stressor coming into the eggnog and you can see it coming into the Christmas punch, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, then it's supported by that regenerative atmosphere, socializing and thinking about the light of the world. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's so funny. I was talking to somebody, I was saying, you know, so many of the things that we plan when we are, when we are, when you're a child, you have all this Christmas energy and Christmas is a great distillation of that energy. 语法解析
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And then as life continues, things start to disappoint you or they don't work out like you thought. And bullies or disappointments, betrayals, misunderstandings, all of those things start to accumulate and they calcify probably your tissue as well as calcifying your heart or your spirit. And they numb you out to joy. They numb you out to hopeful, positive things. 语法解析
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belief in the future. And it becomes so, so much so that like Generation Z and the younger, they tend to have such a, you know, I've said, you know, when I used to do the radio show, I would do old school style, you know, from the heart of Central Florida, you know, I would do it. And it was almost like people would look at it like, 语法解析
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They've never seen that because the only time you're allowed to be passionate is in an ironic sense or something. You're not allowed to be earnest with your art as people are so baked in cynicism from a culture of cynicism and just kind of like numbing and shielding your heart preemptively from disappointment. 语法解析
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And so, you know, it's hard to unlearn that. And it's hard to look at something like impaired thyroid function and say, you know, okay, well, where I feel right now about the future, I can't make strong plans exactly about what I'm going to do five, 10 years from now with the mindset I have now, what I know about 语法解析
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that the mindset I have now is a kind of matrix of stress molecules artificially put upon me due to the environment that I'm in. And so I don't have to, in other words, you know, how can you make plans based on a prison? Like if you say, if you find yourself in a prison cell and someone's like, you don't have to stay in this prison cell, there's a way to get out of it. That's what Ray Pete's saying, basically. Yeah. 语法解析
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You can, you know, fix your thyroid. You can fix things, get your gut health, get your stuff under control. And you can actually escape this prison cell. Yeah. You know, a lot of people come by and say, no, you can't, you have to stay in this prison cell. This is the way the world works. You were not in prison when you were a child. And now for whatever reason, you find yourself waking up in a prison cell and raised like, no, you don't have to. And so you start to that learned helplessness. 语法解析
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is making plans for your life as if you're going to be in that prison cell five or ten years from now. And Ray and folks like him are saying, no, don't make your plans like, well, in five years from now, I'm going to put Christmas lights over my bunk bed here in this prison cell. That's my plan. And four years from now, I'm going to hopefully get a gnarly book from the library that is really chewed up, and I'm going to be able to read that one. 语法解析
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And three years from now, I'm hoping that I can have cold turkey sandwich on Thanksgiving in the prison. Yeah, I love how Ray encourages spontaneity. Yeah, and it's like, my point here is just to say, and you take this where you want. I'll just say it like, you can't make plans for the future sincerely if you truly trust sometimes, not everybody has it, but if you have hormonal deficiencies or you have your thyroid as impaired even by a little bit, 语法解析
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don't trust what you think you're capable of handling as if that's what you can handle five, 10 years from now. You might reverse age. You might have more joyful spontaneity and creativity than you've ever had it before. Right. And that's what your birthright is. Right. Yeah. So let's dig, dig into that more about the, the, the consciousness, the ideal state of consciousness is excited. And I like this on so many layers, the ideal state of consciousness is, 语法解析
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is the excitedly expectant state of a child on a Christmas morning. That is the nature of reality because Christ is reality. Christ is the root of consciousness. And all human beings in their ideal state are excitedly expecting the return of Christ as down payment manifested in the Christmas story. Joy to the world. The world, right? Joy to the world. Yeah, hope in the future is the most important thing. 语法解析
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that I think our metabolism depends on. But who would have a hope in the future if you didn't know the Christian story, right? The Christian story is what gives us this idea that we have a future to begin with, right? The pagans were lost in something called the eternal return, as Nietzsche called it, which is that history is only a cycle, you know, and that it's all a cycle based on the seasons and that there is no springtime season 语法解析
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relative in the future towards what is in the past. It's just kind of a perfect cycle. And the cycle really is mediated by violence and it's mediated by power and might and subduing your opponent. At the end of the day, the heart of the pagan order, which is the pre-Christian order, is all about might makes right. And that sounds trite, but it's actually true because you cannot have 语法解析
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Any kind of other explanation for sacrifice and ideas of power in a pagan sense without that mantra really being underlying at all, which is I have the might, which gives me the right to rule or to take care of my people how I wish. Sure. So that's a substitution for the Christian value. Right. 语法解析
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I am fascinated by the intersection between the Christian story and what Ray Peet was grasping at at biological levels. And I think that if we are going to say that Christ is king of all things, then that includes biology. Biology is not some separate sphere that is something the atheist or Richard Dawkins types touch. 语法解析
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That's just, they're touching it, but it's actually Christ, right? So Christ made carbon dioxide to function as it should in the human body for our benefit and for the plants and animals with it. And these things are designed as such because God likes them. They're not just random molecules that are colliding around and God is like this little ghost that's like, oh, wow, that's interesting. Well, I'm really concerned about your spiritual life. No, it's all intertwined together, right? 语法解析
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Yeah, there's a scientist that I really like. His name is Philip S. Callahan. And I think his ideas are really in line with Ray Peet's. 语法解析
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There's a quote by Ray Peet from Mind and Energy. I'll just read it right here. It says, when more has been learned about magnetism, water, and the structure of the protoplasm so that long range safety is assured, we can probably expect to see the establishment of regular brain improvement resorts using the combined effects of structured water, mountain air, electrons, and environmental magnetism. It's possible that the optimum conditions already exist in some regions and account for the unique vigor of the inhabitants. 语法解析
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Wow. Who said that? That's Ray Peet. Oh, okay, cool. And where's that in? Mind and Tissue. Okay. Yeah, it's a book about the Soviet science, which I think is where he talks the most about magnetism. Yeah. And so I tie that a lot with this other scientist, Philip S. Callahan, because he, I think very much like Ray Peet, he was just a guy who was very observant about nature. 语法解析
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You know, not intentionally trying to figure stuff out for, you know, the sake of his job or something. It was just his passion to try and understand nature. And he started with like studying insects and he postulated that they respond to infrared radiation in a way nobody else had really described. 语法解析
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So he postulated that insects are tuned into this invisible world that's all around us. And he made some really remarkable insights, not just about insect communication and electromagnetic radiation, but also about the magnetic properties of soil. And I know I'm kind of jumping topics here, but… 语法解析
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yeah the magnetic properties of soil was like another big focus of his and um he was a deeply religious guy he actually tied these properties with the soil and stone with sites of miracles in churches in old europe so he he had a way of tying science with the supernatural which he thought was 语法解析
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It was the right thing to do because this is all in God's domain, isn't it? Right. Yeah. And a supernatural, let's be clear, is what we call it. It doesn't, it's, it's our mental conception of it because we don't have a full understanding of what the natural is. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I've made this earth and this planet and everything naturally. And it doesn't mean that it's a reduction to say, well, 语法解析
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you know, you know, it's that the supernatural is just that it's a super above natural, what we consider to be like observable nature. That means we don't fully understand the full reality that we're in. Yeah. It doesn't mean, see, there's a, the problem is when you, when you make supernatural like this, again, this kind of like a dualistic compartment, right? 语法解析
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There's this magic box called supernatural. And then there's this other box called natural. And that's where we like do real stuff. And the supernatural stuff is where we just have all of our fun little random stuff we can't explain. Well, that's not the way it works. Actually, the supernatural used to be a lot of things that we now know are natural, you know, natural parts of our existence. And I think so many people spend their whole life, again, constructing their self-image 语法解析
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complex, like this is my personality, when reality is that, no, that is a personality that is completely in the matrix of cortisol and serotonin and excess estrogen and impaired thyroid function and all these other greatest hits that Ray Peet is so keen to emphasize as something to look at. 语法解析
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that actually these things can be physiologically actually corrected. And people say, Lord, it's so hard to be forgiving. Well, have you checked your thyroid? Right. Lord, it's so hard to be hopeful. Well, have you checked your, your metabolic, your, your metabolism? Right. How can you, well, my personality is I'm just a crabby cranky person. That's just my personality. Well, how do you know that? 语法解析
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Right. Yes, you can choose to be anything. You can have a great, healthy thyroid and choose to do evil, you know. But at the end of the day, it becomes harder and harder. People think that like they're designed to be a little worm and God is this angry Marine drill sergeant in the sky who is like, don't you dare say. 语法解析
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Come in my sight unless you are totally perfect and like in some measure of law that supposedly above even his own grace and mercy. That's what a lot of people imagine. And he's this harsh, brutal kind of ghost in the machine that, you know, when the eye of Sauron looks on you, he's going to see you as this miserable little wretched worm that's so imperfect. That's just not that is I think that is a conception of God created by stress. 语法解析
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Yeah, well said. And Ray Peet was definitely against that idea of Christianity, although he didn't really, you know, explicitly say like what Christianity is or what it should be. You know, he took a hands off kind of approach to that. But he did say this authoritarian view of like, you know, static structures, like people are stuck in a certain way and then there's a right and a wrong. You know, Ray Peet was against that and that judgmental view of God. Right. 语法解析
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And you think that's probably what undergirds so much of, again, it's like you go, you look back at the soil, you talk about the magnetic structures of the soil. And I keep thinking that the way to liberate humanity from the bankers and all that is to fix the soil. For some reason, it seems like that's a message that I keep hearing over and over again in my life is you got to fix the soil. 语法解析
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You heal the soil and somehow, and it's so weird because you're like, well, I don't know exactly. I can make a little, I can make a little explanation as to how that fixes it, but it's kind of just fits like a glove in a way that's hard to totally articulate, which is like fix the soil, heal the soil. And that, that makes the weeds of the bankers go away. Right. Or, or, or the, the, um, and, and agriculture, they have things like nematodes and things that bother, um, 语法解析
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And those little nematode banks and their control over the world, their enslavement to us, enslavement of us in debt. Like you think about why someone would take out a, you know, 30 year mortgage or something, you know, and they would put that kind of burden of bondage onto their head. They say, well, it's not a bondage. I make X amount of money. I can afford it easily. Yeah. But what kind of job are you doing? And how many, how many hours are you spending chasing in the rat race for nothing? 语法解析
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When you're on your deathbed, none of that will matter, really. What matters is, like you said, love. And if your kids don't see you loving them because you're too busy working, paying off some kind of Babylonian interest rate, you know, is that really what it means to be alive? Is that what it really means to be human? Is that what it really means to be if you're concerned with proving your masculinity because you want to show that you're a provider? 语法解析
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Well, all the people I know who are millionaires and people who spend their life chasing fame and fortune, they have really, they're really miserable about the, a lot of the conditions of their family life and their lack of love that they were able to experience or share or, or, or pass on to others. Yeah. And it seems like that's probably a big focus for, I don't know how we, how we fix the world. And that's all, that's where we get all our food. Yeah. 语法解析
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And that's that system of agriculture has been something that's like been parasitized by industry. Like what do you do for your daily diet? What do you recommend or what do you find helpful for your flourishing and your state of joy and creativity in your work? Yeah, I make repeats ice cream pretty often. Yeah. 语法解析
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Yeah, it's super easy and really affordable. It's just coconut oil, milk powder and milk and an egg. And all you need is a blender. And there you have it. It's plenty of sugar. So I kind of have this milkshake for breakfast. And, you know, sometimes I change it up with like blueberries or a little bit of coffee in there. 语法解析
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But yeah, I also eat real food. I mean, I tolerate starch pretty well. This is kind of controversial, but like really well boiled potatoes make up a big part of my calories, I'd say. Yeah. And like the good thing about them is that potatoes are rich in keto acids. So these sort of act like protein and they help lower ammonia, which is a product of like protein breakdown in the body. 语法解析
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So potatoes are great for me. And then I try, I think the biggest expense that I pay like out of my wallet is on just quality meat. So I go for like gelatinous cuts. I'm a big fan of lamb shanks and lamb shoulder chops, sometimes turkey wings. These are all pretty gelatinous. So, you know, they balance out the amino acids. It's good for longevity and keeping stress down. 语法解析
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And then I occasionally have seafood as well. So those are really high in trace minerals. Selenium in particular is good for conversion of the thyroid hormone. So it's essentially pro thyroid in that way. It's got iodine and it tastes good. I love shrimp. I'm not a huge fan of oysters. So I don't try and get those too often, but, you know, nutritionally, those are great as well. Yeah, that's kind of the big picture of like what I eat. Do you like orange juice? Do you drink that? 语法解析
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Oh, yeah. So actually, I love making marmalade. That's like probably the big way I get my citrus fruits. And I find that it like it's it's pretty awesome. You can use the whole orange. You don't have to throw the peels away. And it's got it's got all kinds of beneficial compounds in there. Are you not a fan of the grocery store orange juice? I've been sampling all of them. The quality is like really different between them. So I'm still figuring it out. It's good stuff, though. 语法解析
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So what are some of the things that you think that folks around us would benefit from? And is it about following these little favorite hit foods that Ray and others in his circles have promoted? Or do you think it's more about the mindset or all of the above? Or what are some things that you think people should be benefited from if they look into this kind of whole bioenergetic sphere? I think the easiest thing for everyone to do is to just get more gelatin. 语法解析
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You know, it's an easy thing to implement and it's not controversial. So it's honestly easier to convince people about that, especially from like an ancestral argument. You know, we used to use all parts of the animal and nowadays we're only eating muscle meat. That kind of makes intuitive sense to people. If that's the one piece of advice I could give, yeah. What's the strangest or oddest thing you've come across in your research that sticks out in your mind? 语法解析
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Or a couple of things, whatever. Just, you know, you know, there's always interesting things, you know, when you go down the rabbit trail of things like CO2 research. I know people have been posting a lot of quotes. The blue account, she's been posting quotes from Maduna's research on carbon dioxide therapy and, you know, using large amounts of it. 语法解析
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to solve problems of fear and atheism and stuff like that, which is so weird. You know, like I don't even understand like that's so fascinating. I would love to like talk to the case studies of that. Like somebody who's like walks in there like a snarling Richard Dawkins and comes out like mother Teresa, you know, what the heck one session. Good Lord. How does that work? I want to know all about that. I mean, that just, yeah. 语法解析
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For the curious side of me, you know, that kind of stuff like that. I love that weird science like that. Is there anything like that that, you know, you've learned or run across? I think you mentioned a few of those little interesting things like the some of the things you've referenced so far. But, you know, one thing I think is a cool coincidence. It was recently discovered that these proteins in the heart that give it structure like that hold the heart cells together. They're actually very dynamic proteins. 语法解析
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So in a matter of seconds, you know, if you experience a so-called fight or flight reaction or an adrenaline surge, like if someone startles you, for instance, these proteins that hold the heart muscles together will actually like you'll pull in the reserve proteins from the inside of the cell and shuttle them to the to the anchoring points on adjacent cells. So what that means is that like on the flick of a switch, your heart will tighten like physically. Right. 语法解析
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Yeah, and I thought that was remarkable because, you know, in the book of Exodus, when Moses is challenging Pharaoh and he says, let my people go and performs all these miracles, you know, time and time again, it says Pharaoh's heart was hardened. So I thought it was a remarkable analogy because we just recently figured out, oh, that's actually a literal thing that happens. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. 语法解析
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I think that idea that Jesus says that we are his body is an interesting thing when you think about it from a bioenergetic standpoint, right? And the idea of like stress, the stress mechanism working itself out in the collective body of people who want to imitate Jesus, because that's literally what you are my body means. It means people bound together by a shared desire to imitate the way of Jesus, right? 语法解析
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And what, what are the stress mechanisms that erupt socially that cause the body to be impaired? Right. And, and thinking about how cells communicate and how, you know, some of the cool things that we're learning, uh, you know, in this space about, or rediscovering things that have been done a long time ago, how color affects the body, how light affects the body in its communication with different tissues and how, um, 语法解析
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Matthew Spearman talked about that on a recent show he did with me and how all these things are this grand orchestra and we barely even understand even one bit of it. And how much more so, like you said, we could learn from 语法解析
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If we could all kind of, you know, get away from that fight or flight, I've got to hurt you before you hurt me mindset. That is so much part of human nature. And people will tell us that it's naive to think we can ever move the masses away from that. Do you think it's naive or do you just think it's something, you know, that can be easily attainable? 语法解析
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I believe in it. Yeah. There's some interesting analogies in biology where like you can, you can make a small change to like many, many things and it causes very large global change in the cell. Yeah. What about people that say, well, you know, Ray picks out all these things that are iconic staples of Western diet, milk, orange juice, mushrooms, carrot salad, vegetables, 语法解析
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sugar, Coca-Cola. I mean, these are like the most consumed products in the Western world. Why isn't it, you know, why aren't we seeing this renaissance of non-stressed out people? You know, what's going on here? Yeah. You know, there's a quote by him. It says he's probably the most damaging effect is the lack of meaningful choices. So it seems to imply like, you know, you can have a lot of good things going on, but probably the most important thing 语法解析
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thing that affects your orientation is uh is like hope in the future the idea that you have agency yeah i mean if you look at the if you consider like the learned helplessness experiments with mice it's really just one you know one kind of event or series of events that causes this huge shift in its perception and its behavior um and you can reverse that you know with actually like a thyroid supplement and those mice you take a thyroid supplement 语法解析
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I've experimented with it, but I actually don't regularly take one now. Why? Is it too weird or something? It's difficult. Yeah. Yeah, and I think like some other people have noticed there's like varying potency in the batches. Have you ever taken the Cynomel or Armor like Ray used to recommend? No, I haven't taken desiccated thyroid supplement. I've been kind of turned away from it just on the kind of difficulties other people have with it. 语法解析
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Some people have great results. What about that Sinomel and Sinoplus? Those are synthetic, right? Yeah, those are synthetic. So those are supposed to work pretty well. I've taken Georgie's thyroid supplement, but it's not the same because they're liquid formulations. So, yeah, I'm not a nibbler, as they call it. Do you think it's too… Is it just too tricky to get right without harming yourself, you think, for you? No, I don't think that's the issue. It's just… 语法解析
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You know, you have to weigh the effort of, like, dialing in your dosage and with, like, your current state. Like, do you stand to benefit from it? And I've gotten, like, really good results in improving, like, my basal temperature, just overall energy with other methods. So let's talk about what could you share any numbers of how you were, like, what your temperature was and what it is now when you wake up or where you wanted it to be and where it is now or what? Yeah, sure. I mean, like, before I started feeding, 语法解析
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I had the impression that like a low temperature was good because, you know, I used to think it just makes sense. Like if you're not burning as much energy, it kind of lasts longer. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, anyway, I used to never hit the 98s like in the whole day. In the morning or any time? No, like throughout the whole day. Like in the morning, I would probably wake up, you know, like 96.8 or something like that. 语法解析
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And then maybe I would peak at like 97.6 or something like that. So I wouldn't hit 98 and like not even the so-called standard 98.6, but just with some like vitamins. That would be considered hypothyroid then by the classic definition? Yeah, certainly by the Broderbarns definition. Yeah. So then what'd you get it up to now? 语法解析
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Yeah, I get sometimes up to 99 without a buttered supplement in the middle of the day. In the morning? Or what do you wake up at? What do I wake up at? Usually like 97.9. I don't quite wake up at 98 yet. But I notice the really big determinant in my temperatures is just activity. If I do something stimulating throughout the day, my numbers go up. It's not entirely dependent on what I eat or how much light I necessarily get. It's just kind of 语法解析
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Doing stuff and being engaged is like the biggest factor for me. Do you eat a lot of fat or do you just keep that low? Like a lot of them do. 语法解析
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Gosh, I don't, I don't like really track that. I mean, are you careful not to mix your macros or do you eat whatever you want? No, I don't really worry about that. That's the future of it. It's gotta be something that people could just like, not, you know, stress out about every meal because nobody wants to eat potatoes with nothing on it. They want to have a flavor on it or something, you know, a little bit of oil or butter. I mean, 语法解析
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The thing is, listen to your body. They always say, listen to your body. Your body is most happy when it's eating fat and carbohydrates at the same time. Yeah, a little bit of fat. I mean, it also is supposed to prevent resorption, which is an issue that comes up every now and then in the feeding circle. What is it? 语法解析
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Yeah, that's when starch molecules, or theoretically anything, passes through the intestinal lining inappropriately and then goes in the bloodstream. Okay. Is that leaky gut they talk about? Yeah, it's related to that. So if you have leaky gut problems, presorption is going to be more likely. And this can interrupt circulation, can just cause general inflammation. 语法解析
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So what's your high thyroid dream? What do you want to do with your energy when you have your biggest dream state that you're like creatively just on fire? What do you want to see happen? What do you want to be a part of in life? Is there something you want to accomplish or achieve, discover scientifically, create statistically, or, you know, clean up your closet or whatever it is, you know, like what is the thing that you want to do the most? 语法解析
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Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of building up towards that. Like when I when I started my feeding, I didn't know anything about engines. And I took on this project of restoring a motorcycle. And yeah, I got it running. Like this whole time I've been on. That's my side project, like at the same time as I started my Twitter. 语法解析
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So that's going well. And I think what I want to do after that is build aquariums. So I've been interested in the Wollstab method. Yeah, one of the things I want to do with all my energies is build aquariums. I'm really interested in this no filter method. Yeah, I've just been reading about it so far. It's tropical fish or what is it you want to look at? I don't know yet. I mean, the first thing you kind of do is you set it up in stages. So you first need the aquatic plants. 语法解析
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and then after that you can introduce fish and maybe snails and shrimp i think uh i joke about this sometimes but i i wouldn't mind a career like shrimp farming or something like producing a real real commodity maybe you could sell it to like chicken farmers or something there you go yeah yeah that's what we need we need smart ideas to change agriculture for 语法解析
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Like you said, being pro-human, that's such a novel concept. Why can't we do that? You know, why does everything have to be anti-human? You know, you pick up anything, you know, bread is so anti-human, you know, most of the time, the affordable ones, you know, flour, anti-human. Yeah, things have just been engineered in so many ways. 语法解析
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Yeah. You know, there's a real shocking thing I could tell you about that. So even the things we do to our food that are supposed to improve it end up just totally backfiring. So if you find bacon in the store, it's always going to have ascorbate or erythrobate added to it. So that's a vitamin C or an isomer vitamin C. And that's a federal mandate. It's in the Code of Federal Regulations. You have to add 语法解析
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vitamin C or erythrobate to a cured meat. And the idea is that it prevents the nitrate in the cured meat, or excuse me, the nitrate from converting into cancerous nitrosamines. And on paper, this sounds really good, but it turns out in 2006, they found out that in the presence of fat, vitamin C actually like accelerates the formation of nitrosamines. Wow. 语法解析
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Yeah. So this mandate that was supposed to be protecting people's health is probably doing the opposite. It's almost like there's little devils or something sneaking in little things in the regulations. I don't know, man. It's just crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. It's like little devils that hate humans. You know, I want to kill them. Put this in. And they're like, oh, what's this? It's going to help them. And like, all right, we're listening to you. We tucked it in. Yes. And then lots of people are in pain. It's like, what a sick freak, whoever does that. 语法解析
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I really appreciate your time. Any last thoughts you'd like to share with us or let us know about anything to how to follow you or website or things to look forward to? Yeah. Well, I'm Pete Pell on Twitter. I don't have anything to sell. I appreciate everyone who follows me. And I just want to remind people to like read Ray Pete directly. There's a lot of stuff, a lot of promoters, some with different agendas on the, on the Pete Twitter, but you know, I try to just do it out of the love of the game. So yeah, 语法解析
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Very good. How can people read that? Do you have a source or where people can read his works directly or besides the website, RayPete.com and stuff? I think most people already know about the big ones. But yeah, bioenergetic.life is great. It's an open search for all the transcripts of Ray Pete's interviews. So if you ever wonder what he said about William Koch carrying cancer, you can find every time Ray Pete mentioned that. 语法解析
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Well, very good. Thank you for coming on. I really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you. Hey, thanks for having me. This was great. Really appreciate it. Take care. And again, if you want to follow us, you can email me hello at a neighbor's choice.com. I'm David Gronowski. Godspeed.
