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现代医学的局限性

我提到了一个让我印象深刻的观点：现代医学知识中可能有一半是不准确的。这个观点并非危言耸听，直接影响着我们对营养物质的理解和应用。例如，我们长期以来对维生素和矿物质的认知，可能就存在偏差。因此，我更倾向于关注理论本身的合理性、研究基础和实践效果，而不是发言人的资质。历史上许多突破性医学发现，最初都源于大胆的自我实验，而非循规蹈矩的学术研究。

一位匿名健康探索者的故事

这次访谈的嘉宾，化名Jacob（网络ID：TheRealHeisenberg），是一位匿名分享其健康方案的探索者。他并非传统的健康专家，没有相关的专业资质，也不以盈利为目的。他纯粹是基于自身经验，分享他的发现。

Jacob的健康之旅始于十几岁，最初是为了解决脱发问题。他最终将脱发问题归因于缺锌，并由此展开了一系列深入的自我实验。他发现，某种物质阻碍了锌的吸收，而铁和铜可能就是罪魁祸首。经过多年的反复尝试和记录，他最终总结出了一套完整的方案，并将其命名为“圣杯”（HG7）。

“圣杯”方案：一个大胆的尝试

Jacob的“圣杯”方案（HG7）并非简单的保健品组合，而是一个经过精心设计的营养物质配比和服用顺序，包含EGCG（绿茶提取物）、钼、锌以及几种B族维生素（B5、B6、B7即生物素）和维生素C。

Jacob的理论核心是：铁和铜结合在一起，阻塞了锌的受体位点，导致锌缺乏。HG7方案旨在通过以下步骤解决这个问题：

1. 去除阻塞性金属：B6帮助将铁和铜从受体位点转移到血液中；EGCG作为铁螯合剂，将铁排出体外；维生素C促进铜的转移。
2. 补锌：方案中包含足够的锌，以替代被排出的铁和铜。
3. 辅助排毒：钼帮助排出铜，但需要与其他成分配合，通过尿酸来完成。生物素（B7）、B5和维生素C则在整个过程中扮演着重要的辅助角色，并非单纯的补充，而是参与了整个代谢和排毒过程。

Jacob强调，这些成分的比例和服用顺序至关重要。他根据自身经验和参与实验者的反馈，总结出了一套“校准”方法，帮助人们根据自身情况调整成分比例。

令人惊叹的效果和潜在风险

Jacob分享了“圣杯”方案给他自己、他的女朋友以及其他参与者带来的显著改善：情绪稳定、消化系统改善、精力充沛、认知能力提升，甚至身体形态也发生了积极变化（身高增加、体重减轻等）。一些参与者甚至表示，他们的健康状况得到了前所未有的改善，甚至出现了“逆生长”的迹象。

然而，自我实验始终存在风险。Jacob也坦诚地分享了他早期因错误操作而导致的严重健康问题。他强调，虽然方案中使用的物质本身相对安全，但剂量和配比必须谨慎，需要密切关注自身反应，及时调整。

结论：谨慎探索，倾听身体的声音

Jacob的“圣杯”方案是一个极具争议性的健康方案，挑战了我们对现代医学和营养学的传统认知。虽然其效果令人惊叹，但我们必须保持谨慎的态度。 我个人尝试了该方案，并分享了我的早期体验。 重要的是，无论选择尝试何种健康方案，都应该在充分了解其原理和潜在风险的基础上，密切关注自身身体的反馈，并咨询专业医生的意见。 最终，倾听身体的声音，才是健康之路的基石。

主持人讨论了Andrew Huberman和Dr. Jack Kruse之间关于现代医学知识准确性的对话。主持人分享了他对此事的看法，表达了对替代理论的开放态度。

• ​Andrew Huberman的导师认为，现代医学知识中大约有50%是不准确的。
• ​Dr. Jack Kruse则认为，99.9%的现代医学知识都是不准确的。
• ​主持人认为，他更倾向于50%的观点，而不是99.9%。

主持人讨论了自我实验在医学突破中的作用，引用了Barry Marshall关于幽门螺杆菌的研究以及August Paul von Wasserman关于抗毒素的工作。主持人介绍了Jacob，一位通过自我实验开发出健康配方的匿名人士。

• 许多医学突破来自于自我实验。
• ​Jacob通过自我实验开发了一种健康配方。
• 主持人对Jacob的配方和结果感到好奇，尽管它的性质非常规。

Jacob分享了他的个人健康旅程，详细描述了他从青少年时期开始面临的激素失衡、消化问题和心理健康挑战。他通过自我实验开发了“圣杯”配方，并描述了他和其他人使用后的积极效果。

• Jacob的健康问题从青少年时期开始，并随着时间的推移恶化。
• 他尝试了多种补剂，仔细追踪它们对身体的影响。
• 他的配方HG7结合了维生素、矿物质和绿茶中的EGCG。

Jacob解释了他的配方背后的理论，重点讨论了锌、铁和铜在激素平衡和健康中的作用。他讨论了这些矿物质与多种维生素的相互作用，以及平衡以达到最佳效果的重要性。

• 该配方旨在通过去除铜和铁来解决缺锌问题。
• ​B6帮助将铁和铜从受体位点拉入血液。
• ​EGCG螯合铁，而钼帮助解毒铜。

主持人讨论了配方中某些营养素（特别是B6和生物素）高剂量的潜在风险。探讨了高剂量B6可能导致神经病变的可能性，以及测试揭示的生物素需求量的惊人高度。

• 配方中的高剂量B6和生物素在特定组合下并不一定有害。
• 生物素缺乏的症状包括便秘、焦虑、噩梦和低能量。
• 配方中的成分具有协同作用，单独服用可能会导致负面副作用。

主持人深入探讨了生物素和钼在配方中的作用。讨论了生物素在代谢中的重要性，以及钼通过产生尿酸来解毒铜的作用，强调了铜和铁之间的平衡对配方效果的重要性。

• 生物素是B6的辅酶，并在钙代谢中发挥作用。
• 钼通过产生尿酸帮助解毒铜。
• 铜和铁之间的平衡对配方的有效性至关重要。

主持人讨论了重金属（特别是铜和铁）在激素失衡中的作用，以及过量铜的“女性化”效应。探讨了过量铜会拮抗锌，从而影响睾酮产生的理论。

• 在这种背景下，过量的铜和铁被视为重金属。
• 铜拮抗锌，阻碍睾酮的产生。
• 该配方旨在通过调节铜和铁水平来恢复激素平衡。

Jacob解释了“校准”的概念，即根据症状和情绪反应调整配方以满足个体需求。他讨论了常见的校准调整，涉及钼、生物素和EGCG。

• 校准涉及调整锌、钼和EGCG的剂量。
• 症状和情绪是校准的指标。
• 常见的校准需求涉及生物素或钼的缺乏。

主持人讨论了高级校准技术，包括使用味觉作为确定营养需求的方法，解决与失衡相关的常见情绪症状。

• 味觉可以作为营养需求的指标。
• 情绪状态可以帮助识别营养失衡。
• 常见的情绪症状包括抑郁、焦虑和愤怒。

主持人讨论了Jacob和其他人使用配方后体验到的各种益处，包括精神清晰度、能量水平和身体变化。他们还讨论了未来的研究方向，以及负责任地进行自我实验的重要性。

• 益处包括精神清晰度、能量和身体变化的改善。
• 该配方似乎改善了激素平衡并带来了身体变化。
• 未来需要进一步研究以全面了解配方的机制和效果。

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00:24 我对这次采访非常兴奋，因为采访对象分享了一个很有趣的，他自身体验的健康方案。

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02:02 现代医学知识可能有一半是不准确的，这会影响我们对营养物质的理解。

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02:47 我认为现代医学知识中大约有一半是不准确的。

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03:13 我更关注理论是否合理、是否经过研究和实践，而不是发言人的资质。

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03:37 许多突破性发现最初来自自我实验。

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05:01 今天的嘉宾通过自我实验发现了一种健康方案，他认为锌缺乏是其健康问题的根源。

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06:33 这位匿名嘉宾并非典型的健康专家，他既没有资质，也不为名利，只是分享他的经验。

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07:46 我对这位匿名人士的理论和结果很感兴趣，并决定尝试他的方案。

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08:47 我咨询了医生，确认这个方案中推荐的物质在医学上没有问题。

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09:42 许多伟大的医学突破都源于自我实验，虽然存在风险，但这个方案相对安全。

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10:33 我们今天要讨论一个名为“圣杯”的健康方案，许多人反馈效果显著。

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11:54 我一直以来都在默默地推广这个理论，直到最近才开始接受采访。

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12:22 人们往往更相信成功人士的理论，而我的成功并非以传统意义上的财富衡量。

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13:17 我十几岁时就开始接触保健品，最初是为了解决脱发问题。

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14:28 我的脱发问题最终让我找到了锌缺乏这个核心原因。

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16:55 我推测某种物质阻碍了锌的吸收，并开始研究铁和铜对锌吸收的影响。

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18:51 我通过大量的自我实验，最终找到了解决健康问题的完整方案。

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20:10 我服用这种混合物后，健康状况得到了显著改善。

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21:37 Jacob 的健康方案虽然听起来很疯狂，但许多人反馈效果很好。

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22:33 Jacob 只在自己身上进行实验，这与历史上许多医学先驱的做法相似。

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23:47 我也进行过自我实验，并因此经历过一些负面后果，但我相信自我身体的感受。

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25:06 Jacob 非常重视自身的身体感受，这与大多数人盲目相信权威的做法不同。

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26:19 我的理论是基于实践经验，而不是从书本上得来的。

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27:09 我们鼓励大家关注自身的身体感受，并根据自身情况调整方案。

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27:40 要将最佳状态视为正常，并将其他任何偏离最佳状态的情况视为症状。

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29:21 我的方案对我的家人和女朋友的健康状况有显著改善。

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32:00 我的精神状态在服用该方案后得到了显著改善。

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32:49 我的方案改善了我的消化系统，即使我饮食不健康。

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37:03 我认为大多数人都存在某种程度的锌缺乏，只是症状表现不同。

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38:05 我认为人类的饮食和生活方式的改变导致身体无法适应，从而导致锌缺乏等问题。

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39:00 我认为身体会优先储存铁和铜，导致锌的缺乏。

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39:47 服用EGCG可以去除铁，从而导致铜的毒性症状出现。

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40:46 Jacob 的方案包括EGCG、钼、锌以及几种水溶性维生素。

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41:18 Jacob 认为铁和铜结合在一起，阻塞了锌的受体位点。

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42:45 Jacob 的方案旨在去除铁和铜，并补充锌。

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43:10 B6可以将铁和铜从受体位点转移到血液中。

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44:26 B6本身不会导致神经病变，而是缺乏其他维生素导致的。

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45:23 需要多种维生素协同作用才能完成排毒过程。

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48:25 我通过NutraVal测试发现自己严重缺乏生物素。

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51:55 即使服用大量生物素，我的测试结果仍然显示严重缺乏。

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52:53 该方案中生物素的每日剂量为200毫克。

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54:43 该方案中所有成分的协同作用可以避免单一成分的负面影响。

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55:54 我认为低B5会导致皮肤发麻和失眠。

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56:55 我们来讨论一下生物素缺乏的症状。

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57:13 生物素缺乏会导致腿部和脚部抽筋、头发毛囊堵塞、消化不良等症状。

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58:32 生物素对能量产生很重要，但需要其他营养物质的配合才能发挥作用。

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01:01:34 我认为缺乏B1可能是铁中毒的结果。

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01:02:19 我尝试了Jacob的方案，并进行了NutraVal测试，结果显示我的B族维生素没有缺乏。

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01:03:14 服用高剂量的B5、B6和B7可以使体内其他B族维生素达到充足水平。

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01:03:39 清除铁和铜可以改善B族维生素的利用率。

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01:12:55 维生素C可以促进铜的转移，但不能去除铜。

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01:16:26 钼可以帮助去除铜，但需要与其他成分配合使用。

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01:16:48 EGCG是一种铁螯合剂，可以帮助去除铁。

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01:19:55 该方案中的成分需要以特定的比例和顺序配合使用，才能达到最佳效果。

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01:23:04 该方案的原理是去除阻塞性金属，并用锌代替。

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01:25:15 该方案可以促进DNA修复和再生，从而延缓衰老甚至逆转衰老。

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01:26:17 铜中毒的症状包括情绪波动、焦虑、精神病等。

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01:30:38 钼可以帮助去除铜，但需要考虑尿酸的作用。

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01:31:23 尿酸过低可能是体内铜过多的结果。

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01:33:43 根据身体的反应调整方案中的成分比例非常重要。

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01:35:16 该方案的成分比例因人而异，需要根据个人情况进行调整。

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01:36:32 该方案的调整主要在于锌、钼和EGCG的比例。

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01:39:28 该方案的症状检查表可以帮助人们判断需要调整哪些成分。

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01:40:30 症状检查表中的症状可以帮助判断需要调整的成分。

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01:41:51 服用过量的钼会导致金属物质从指尖排出。

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01:42:59 头痛、温暖的双手和双脚、紫色的指甲床等症状表明体内铁过多。

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01:45:41 如果只出现铜过多的症状，而没有铁过多的症状，该如何调整方案？

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01:48:27 该方案的调整通常是微调生物素和钼的剂量。

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01:49:23 从医学角度来看，生物素没有已知的毒性。

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01:50:12 过量服用钼可能会导致不良反应，甚至住院。

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01:51:00 过量服用钼会导致其他营养物质的缺乏。

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01:53:02 可以通过舌头的反应判断是否需要某种营养物质。

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01:58:59 我们来讨论一下情绪症状与营养物质之间的关系。

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02:00:00 焦虑可能是由于生物素或钼缺乏引起的。

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02:01:09 愤怒可能是焦虑的间接结果。

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02:01:47 抑郁和冷漠是两种不同的情绪状态。

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02:02:13 抑郁可能是由于锌或B6缺乏引起的。

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02:03:15 我服用该方案后，精神状态和精力都得到了改善。

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02:11:40 该方案的原理和使用方法，以及注意事项。

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Hey, this is Owen Robinson, creator of Genetic Insights and the Rejuvenate Blueprint and host of the Rejuvenate podcast, which you're watching or listening to right now. And so I'm very excited to share this episode with you. It's an interesting one. I did an interview with someone and it was their first interview ever.

00:24

And, you know, it's funny, a couple of months ago, I was listening to a podcast that stuck with me. Um, and it was a conversation facilitated by famous music producer, Rick Rubin between Andrew Huberman of the, um, health podcast fame and Dr. Jack Cruz, who, um, was a neurosurgeon who's done a lot of trailblazing work on the area of, um, lights, especially in leptin and, um,

00:55

the impact that light has on our health and he believes it to be of critical importance. And so it's a debate between the two of them. And at one point, Dr. Jack asks Andrew Hooverman about his mentor and how much of the current medical knowledge one of his mentors believed was accurate or inaccurate.

01:20

And Andrew Heumann kind of admitted that this mentor of his believed that about 50% of what modern medicine believed was actually inaccurate, which, you know, he said to him was a pretty shocking figure. If you think about the implications of that, just…

01:38

if we think about vitamins and minerals that we've talked about a lot on this channel so there's a kind of belief that right all the vitamin minerals is essential well for instance if there's a 50 accuracy rate then that would mean that maybe some of the people we've had as guests on this show who believe that some of those nutrients are not in fact nutrients are not actually uh necessary maybe they're right you know just as one example and uh

02:02

you know, there's obviously many ways that that could impact if half of what medical science believes is accurate. And Dr. Jack came back and said, I believe it's 99.9% that is inaccurate. So that's interesting. And this is a person who has the ear of a lot of, you know, powerful people in the world of health and, you know,

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I was thinking about what I believe in that regard. And I think I'm closer to the 50% than the 99.9%. I think maybe that was a little bit of a hyperbolic figure kind of done for effect. I'm not sure even Dr. Jack thinks that much is wrong, although who knows.

02:47

I am very open basically when I hear alternative theories and I'm also quite open as to the source of them meaning I'm not really bothered how many credentials the person has. I'm more interested in does the theory make sense? Has it been researched? Has it been practiced? And so I

03:13

A lot of breakthroughs have actually come initially through self-experimentation. A couple of examples. There was an Australian doctor called Barry Marshall who he believed that ulcers, stomach ulcers, were caused by H. pylori, this bacteria. At the time, it was usually thought that it was caused by stress or certain foods.

03:37

And so he was determined to prove that theory. So he decided to drink a concoction that included H. pylori. And then he developed stomach ulcers and then he took antibiotics and the stomach ulcers went away. And this led to like the whole medical profession completely shifting how they thought about it.

04:00

You could say, well, he was a Dr. Owen. So, okay, another example for you. There was a guy called August Paul von Wasserman in the late 19th century who had this concept, this idea of antitoxins. So he believed that that would be effective for something called diphtheria,

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So he actually injected himself with the diphtheria toxin and then he injected himself by the antitoxin to prove that it actually worked. And there's other stuff I could say, but I think it's too controversial for YouTube. But there's a bunch of things like that where…

04:41

Great breakthroughs often happen through self-experimentation. So why did I say that? Well, because this guest who we're having on today was really someone who has learned what they've learned through self-experimentation. They got a particular idea in their heads that

05:01

zinc deficiency was the root of their problems and rather than going down the kind of conventional line of thinking in that regards they just started experimenting with all with zinc and all kinds of other things to try and resolve their health problems and initially made them worse and then after a while made them so much better

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Now I'm talking in a little bit of mysterious ways because this person is a bit mysterious. You'll see if you're watching video as opposed to listening, their camera wasn't on. They shared their first name, Jacob, but their screen name is the real Heisenberg. And so this is someone that I came across because one of the forums I frequent called the Low Toxin Forum. They

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there was like a whole group of people who started to do this experiment with this person. A lot of them were reporting it was really working. And this person, Jacob, who I'm going to introduce in a second, he…

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is not your typical health query. So not only is he not credentialed, he's not doing it for fame because he's doing it anonymously. He's not doing it for money because he's not charging any money, even though he's, you know, working with people and helping them and he's not selling anything. His kind of protocol does involve taking several vitamins and minerals, but he doesn't sell them, nor does he direct you particularly where you should get them. So…

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And also he's not a typical health guru because nothing about him other than, uh, nothing about his lifestyle other than the fact he takes vitamins and minerals is healthy. He says, you know, he's, uh, fried food all day and drinks, um, soda. He smokes cigarettes. Um, he,

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you know does not in any way live a healthy lifestyle and yet he claims that for the last three years himself and then his girlfriend and family members and now these people doing experiment with him have had their health completely transformed and he's so impressed by it that he's calling it the the holy grail or something that's why we decided to title the video and um

07:18

So why am I listening to this random anonymous person? It's a good question. I do explain a couple of reasons why I was drawn to it during the interview with him. So I'll leave it to, you know, explain it more there. But there were certain things he was sharing, which I had not heard anyone say that I was intrigued by. And of course, I was intrigued by the results. And I was intrigued by

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um the the theory itself and it seemed pretty harmless to me to test it you claim that you get results pretty quickly if you do it and so I thought I'll give it a try and it's unusual for me to share something I'm doing so early I normally share like experiments I've done at the conclusion and I'm certainly have not concluded this one I've barely started but I

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no one else, no one has ever interviewed him before. And I thought, let's, let's get in there first. Uh, just in case this is the Holy grail, just in case this is, you know, uh, a profound shift in health and it could create that in you, then you can hear it here first, but I would advise caution. Um, even though everything that's recommended is pretty harmless medically, uh,

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I ran this protocol by Dr. Miriam earlier today and, you know, she's like, I mean, obviously people can react to anything, but there's nothing here that, you know, is not effective.

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It's particularly problematic. And I was very cautious with it. With this full protocol, I started off taking a quarter of his protocol, which is very low. And when I was sure that was okay, I did like half of the protocol. So I'm definitely not recommending that you necessarily do this. At this stage, I just wanted to share it with you in case you're intrigued by it.

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But I guess I wanted to show you also what the thinking is and what it's like for those of us who are on, I guess, the cutting edge of just testing stuff and trying stuff and being our own guinea pigs. As I said, many great medical breakthroughs have happened as well, and many bad things have happened as well, self-experimentation too. I wouldn't claim that it's been only positive, but a lot of breakthroughs come through

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this people, you know, just trying things themselves. And compared to the two examples I gave at the beginning of the video there, this is pretty harmless. So I hope you enjoy the interview and tell me in the comments what you think. Am I crazy for trying this? Is this guy crazy? Is he a genius? Have you tried it? What's been your experience? Let me know. And without further ado, let's get into the interview. Hey.

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Hey, and so I'm very happy today to be joined by T.R. Heisenberg, also known as Jacob. He's joining us anonymously, which I'm totally happy to do. And today we're going to be talking about a very interesting formula that he's developed, which he and some other people who are testing it with him are calling the Holy Grail.

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and being shortened to HG7, which stands for Holy Grail 7, which is the seven elements that comprise it. And I've been drawn to this for a few reasons, which I won't get into because I don't want to talk about myself too much to begin with, Jacob. But I guess, you know, different people are drawn to it for different reasons. But I think it's a very interesting experiment.

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And I am very intrigued by the amount of people who are saying that it's made a big difference for them in a short period of time. And so I wanted to share with people and have you on. And I know that some of the people who regularly watch the show are part of that experiment with you and are…

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you know, people giving enthusiastic feedback. So I thought it'd be great if you come on here and share about yourself, how you develop this formula, what the experiences have been so far and kind of answer questions about it. So first of all, thank you very much for joining us today, Jacob. Yeah, no problem.

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And to everyone, this is a very new experience for me. I've been my whole life kind of ignored on this, just touting this theory out to family and friends. And they all kind of roll their eyes and say, yeah, yeah, you've got a theory for the fountain of youth. Sure, sure. And so…

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And skepticism is fair, right? Absolutely. I'm not, you know, and here I am with some, some uneducated, you know, barely successful guy, just, you know, plugging through life and you know, nobody believes you unless you're successful. So, and that's fair. But yeah, like financially successful, I think, but you know, if you're successful as in you managed to turn things around. And I know that was my experience where I,

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as much as I didn't become the pinnacle of health, I, you know, like 15 years ago when I first started teaching is because I was doing so much better than I was before. Right. Like I was a real mess before. And then I turned things around enough and people were like, wow, you're doing a lot better. What's, what's happening. Right. And,

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I guess you had the same experience, right? Because some people did start coming to you and asking you and, you know, you get more and more people testing. So anyway, sorry, I won't lead to the witness. Tell us your story. Tell us how it happened for you. In fact, if you don't mind, please start with what you were struggling with. What led you to develop your own formula business?

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in the first place this actually started when i was a teenager so i got into supplements pretty early on because my older brother was getting into you know bodybuilding um you know amateur um just going to the gym lifting weights and he started getting into the whole protein powders and then i started following along because i looked up to my big brother at the time and

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you know, I wanted to get big. And so I noticed that when I started getting into like testosterone boosting supplements, cause I had done some research at the time, you know, in high school, the thought of, you know, shredding your body and getting yoked, that was the, that was the thing in high school. So I was, I was looking into testosterone boosters and I noticed that when I took them, my hair would shed more.

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And I didn't like that. And so I looked in that led into a theory of, okay, so what causes hair shedding with increased testosterone? And that got me into dihydrotestosterone, which is a byproduct of testosterone. You know, and that causes hair loss. I'm like, okay, well, why would testosterone convert into DHT? So then I looked into what prevents that. And I got into things like saw palmetto. And that worked for a while to prevent the hair shedding. And then

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Eventually, it just led me to zinc. I liked the zinc answer because zinc is an essential nutrient. Salpamedo herbs and things like that, they're just herbs. They might contain essential things, but they might not necessarily themselves be essential. I wanted to get down to the very core reason, like why am I losing my hair?

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And my older brother was going bald too. And my little brother was losing hair. And so I was like, no, absolutely not. I'm not going to let this happen. I'm going to do anything I can to figure it out.

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And that led me into, you know, zinc and biotin and other things. And it was this was, again, just to fix my hair. And then I stopped the hair loss. But then after a while, I started taking zinc and it would make me throw up. And I thought, that's weird because it's been making me feel great up until now. So, you know, the common solution and the, you know, the logical solution is you don't need any more zinc. You've taken plenty. You have too much.

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But then I went to go get a hormone test because I wasn't feeling better. Like I wasn't feeling like a high testosterone guy. I was just feeling kind of like I was masking the problem by taking zinc, but it wasn't fixing the problem. Because I would stop taking zinc and I would immediately lose my body composition again immediately and things would start spiraling again in my emotions. But it progressively got worse as I got older.

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Like my emotional status would get worse and worse. And I eventually got a hormone test with a naturopath back when I was like 20 or 21.

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And it revealed that my stride all levels were like really high, the levels of what they would expect from a senior. And, but your estradiol, sorry, I probably said that incorrectly estradiol, uh, and whatever the estrogen by-product is of, of the, of the body, uh, it was really high. And then, but my testosterone was also really high. So they're like, you're,

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You are, you're producing a lot of these hormones that are like causing you a little bit of femininity here, but you're also producing a lot of testosterone. So you're kind of, it's kind of balancing out is what they said. I don't remember. It was so long ago, but that, that sparked me to question. I was like, okay, so all this zinc, all this research I've done about zinc says that zinc supposed to block the aromatase enzyme activity from being too active. And I shouldn't be producing all this estrogen. Why isn't it working?

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And so I theorized that something was blocking my zinc. And I looked up, I probably found like an article or three or four that said iron, copper and zinc all compete for absorption. And so I theorized that that may mean also that iron and copper also block zinc storage sites. And that's where the theory kind of began. And that whole theory kind of evolved from

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from age 17 up until like my early 20s to where I was pretty sure that that was the reason because I started taking copper to balance zinc and that worked for like a day and Then I got worse and way worse and way worse and it just wasn't helping and so I figured okay copper is the issue But how do I get copper out and then it led into the all these different? nutritional supplement theories testing and trialing probably every day for

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years and doing it incorrectly, but learning and recording every time what happened to my body. So I would take like handfuls of vitamin B1, B2, B3, B4, all separately to see what it would do. I don't recommend this. I took handfuls of zinc. I took handfuls of a lot of things. I kept the minerals to just zinc at the time because I thought zinc is the only thing I need. Everything else I need to get out.

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But the vitamins are water soluble and those don't store very highly. So I figured handfuls of those shouldn't cause me problems as much as any handful of minerals would. So I took handfuls of the B vitamins until I figured out which ones were doing what. I noticed over time that each one would kind of drain each other.

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by the symptoms that they would cause. So I trained my brain to stop thinking that vitamins caused things and they triggered deficiencies in others by using them. And so by thinking that way, I was able to say, okay, so B6 clearly drains biotin, for example. And then vitamin C clearly drains molybdenum, you know, for example. And over time I would

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balance these nutrients and see if I could take different levels of different things to kind of get a cycle going of everything that depleted each other until I found the full cycle. And molybdenum was the last piece of that that took until I had a very, very abrupt and awful ending in both my last relationship as well as my last job prior to starting again. But

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I got fired. I lost my girl. I lost everything in my life. At this point, I didn't care what happened to me. So I just download or I downed supplements as much as I could until I finally found that last piece, which I don't know how it happened. But I was sitting in my car and like a memory floated in my brain and said from an article I'd read long ago about molybdenum being needed to deplete copper. And I never gave it much weight because I thought zinc was the only mineral that I needed.

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But then I tried adding molybdenum to the mix. And at first it was like, it felt amazing. But then I did what I didn't normally do. And I took a handful of it without everything else and put me in the hospital. But while I was in the hospital and I, my kidneys were bleeding, I was, I was a dead man walking.

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I theorized what if it worked, but it was draining everything else extremely quickly because of how much I took at once. And then I tried to take everything all at once when I got home from the hospital. Cause you know me, I'm a daredevil and I just get out of the hospital time to do exactly what it put me in there in the first place. And I took everything at once and it was like the lights turned on in my body. And, uh, I went from near bipolar, crazy, not controlling my emotions whatsoever to

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digestive issues so bad that I would bleed every time I went to the bathroom. It was a misery story I don't really want to get too deep into, but it was pretty bad for years and years. I had hemorrhoids. I mean, I was throwing up every day from nausea. I had no mental clarity whatsoever, and I wanted to die. And I took this concoction, and that turned off. Like, everything turned back on. Every positive emotion turned back on. It was like a surge of…

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just health had flowed through my blood and it took a little while to calibrate it just right. Cause it would feel amazing for a while. And then I, you know, something would deplete enough to where it wouldn't feel as good anymore. And then I'd up that,

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that nutritional element and uh it would fix the symptoms and so i've just been been doing this for a while and i met a girl online who's now my girlfriend uh who has been taking this with me for the last two years and we've both been transforming every day ever since we got this just right so that's the story sorry it's a lot to throw out at once it's it's a lot that's good um

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Yeah, so there's a lot of interesting to that to me. Before we talk about all the benefits, which I definitely do want to get into that you and others have experienced, I think definitely some people listen to this, especially people who are, what's the word, who depend upon institutional support.

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or whatever, like it just sounds crazy. But I just want to, I just want to remind people that actually most of the people who are really out there who have created brand new things, um, including in the medical, um,

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and hell field a lot of the time they are doing these kind of experiments on themselves and you know back a century or two ago when things were a little less ethical like on other people right there are all these scientists who are just injecting people often unwitting people with all kinds of stuff and seeing what happens and

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And so you haven't been doing that. You've only been experimenting on yourself, as you just said, until it worked. And you certainly, as you just said, pushed yourself to a really bad place of it first. But it's very interesting to me that you,

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First of all, the degree of kinesthetic awareness that you seem to have, that you seem very aware of what the effects of all of these different substances were having on your body. So that's interesting. I would like to discuss that. And then second of all, how, I don't know, committed you are to seeing it through. Because I think for a lot of people,

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they've got this theory in their head that, you know, maybe I have low zinc or whatever it might be and, you know,

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you know, they kept taking stuff until they became very, very ill, like they would stop. Right. And to be honest, if you said a lot of your family and stuff, won't listen to you. I do understand because obviously you brought yourself to a really bad place before you brought yourself to a good place. My own father had to watch me writhe in pain around a toilet. So he is by far going to be the hardest one to convince. Yeah.

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And I have a bit of this as well, to be honest. Like in my history, I've ended up in the emergency room maybe half a dozen times as a result of doing experiments, of trying different things. And I know various different people in my life have thought that I was crazy. And I've also been in a position where…

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I had a whole team of doctors tell me that I needed this surgery in my foot, otherwise I was never gonna walk again. And me saying, “No, I don't think that doesn't sound right to me.” And everyone saying,

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And when you got to listen, you're never going to be able to walk again. You're crazy. And I just walked out of the hospital. I left and I didn't do it. And I, my foot healed just fine without any of their surgical intervention within a couple of weeks. That was 15 years ago. And you wonder why I don't trust anything online. You know, I, I, I mean, yes, there are lots of interesting, I mean, important pieces of information online about each one of these nutrients that did help me figure this out.

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but every one of it, I mean, like there's, there's nothing out there on what I'm doing completely anyway. I mean, there's bit, you could find copper detox protocols that probably mirror a lot of what I'm doing. Um, but they don't calibrate it right. Like there's not nearly enough biotin. Like there's a lot of things like biotin is a great example of something. Yeah. Let's talk about biotin if you don't mind. So actually, um,

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Yeah, sorry, just to finish that. So I think the fact you trust so much in your own kinesthetic experience, and as you just said, so little in what external authorities are telling you is not actually necessarily a bad thing. And actually, I'd say it's a sign that you're in less of a state of

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hypnotic trance than most people are in most people are in a state of trance where they ignore the evidence of their own eyes their own ears their own bodily sensations their own strong intuitions and gut instinct because some external authority and brainwashing has told them to and of course i blame our current school system for that because they've trained people to find a source for everything that they write instead of coming up with creative works or anything like that

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And eventually eventually people from colleges, you know, they get these degrees, but they only get them if they follow those instructions to a T. And so we have educated people coming out of colleges that are just literally just trained to be drones. Find sources of information. Don't come up with your own. Find it. And so if you can't find it, you couldn't possibly have come up with it on your own kind of deal. It's really sad. Yeah.

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um yeah i remember like with maths especially uh i would they would say what's this and i would say the answer is this because it would just come to me in my head and they'd say no no you have to show you're working out and like if there's one thing where all that should matter is the answer not like the source or whatever right it should be math and that's why i didn't wait i didn't post this online until it worked like this is all all this theory is reversed engineered from something that works from me for works for me

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It works for most people, clearly, that's been trying it. We have a couple people who have been iffy, but so far from what I've noticed, the only people that are really struggling are people who either attempt to deviate from the full protocol, like they don't take all the biotin or don't take all the molybdenum, or they try to take fractions of the dosage, which we haven't really discussed the actual dosages or the mechanism.

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of everything else. I don't want to confuse people. Yeah, we'll definitely get to that very soon so people know what we're talking about. But just before we get into it, I really want to highlight that thing about how the fundamental thing that you are doing is listening to your own body and how we are encouraging every person as well to do the same thing, right? So this is not do this because I said so or because you said so or anyone else. This is just, this is something that you may want to experiment with and you may not,

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And if you don't want to, that's totally fine. But if you do, then go into it with that spirit. Obviously, you're fully responsible for your own actions. But also…

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Like really be aware of your own body and tune into your own body. You need to stop thinking of like a tingle in your finger as something that's normal and start recording that as a symptom. You really have to start thinking that way because there is a, like imagine the best you've ever felt and think of that as normal and everything else that doesn't align with that. Think of that as a symptom.

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So as soon as you start thinking that way, you're able to start thinking, okay, now I have this symptom. What fixes this symptom? And that's kind of what I did is I had these symptoms. I would Google what causes a hair shedding. Oh, biotin. So I take a handful of biotin and then I'd feel what it, I'd listen to what it feels like. Okay. My skin is soothing. My hair feels like it's thickening a little bit.

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And you kind of have to really train yourself to do this. Like I would, the way I do it is I sit in my car, close my eyes. I might turn on a little bit of background music and I just think, but you, when you start to really just kind of absorb yourself into your body and start listening to the electrical signals, you really start to absorb these different symptoms. And it's really easy actually to calibrate once you can do that. Now I'm okay at this best. Like I, it, I am,

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I marvel sometimes, you know, there's certain body work practitioners, for instance, who'd be working people for decades and like, you know, they can tell what's going on with every vertebrae and like, and your psoas and like, they're so in tune, right? Like with very little information, I'm kind of okay at it at best.

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So I think you're right. We need to tell people what this formula actually is before we carry on commenting on it. Oh, actually, no, before we do that, one more thing. Can you just tease people with kind of in your story you talked about, you know, it helped you a lot, your girlfriend a lot. Please tell us what some of those benefits were.

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and have been so far and what the benefits you've seen, you know, so far with people who've been on it for a long time. So I'll start with the largest benefits that I've personally witnessed. Number one, my sister, who was in a state of bipolar disorder that would actually alter her ability to speak.

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Like we're talking speaking in tongues, kind of crazy. You know, she would have choppy sentences. She would say crazy things like out of nowhere, she'd scream. Some politician was out to get her and then completely transitioned to a new thought form of different, just different sentences. So it,

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She was absolutely insane. And I love my sister. And I would, and I say that as a, as a sad thing, I'm not making fun of her for it. And so it just tore me apart to watch that happen. And that's kind of what drove me to figure this out too. But once she started taking this, like I finally figured out the molybdenum piece and I calibrated just right. I finally had her start taking it when she was not manic, you know, which is rare at the time. We had to really catch her on like a, you know, a month out of the year where she could think clearly.

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And she started taking this. And I, I swear to you that next day, the first day she started taking it because her paranoia was kicking off when I started her on it. She messaged me and said, the paranoia is totally gone. The like one day now she was still manic. I mean, a little bit manic here and there and her mania comes out and just extreme passion and excitement. And I, I still have a little bit of that. You could probably hear it in my voice. I'm a little bit fast of a speaker, but,

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You might have a genetic propensity for it. In fact, some of my favorite people do, and that's okay. I think actually mania is one of the least problematic psychological disturbances if you get on top of it because often they are very… Light mania is basically being on a caffeine dose the entire day. But if it goes too heavy, you start to break sentence, like your brain short circuits.

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And so, since I've gotten her on this, that short-circuiting has completely eliminated. Her depression has subsided. She doesn't want to end her life anymore, and she actually has said, word for word, “I'm starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel. Life isn't so bad anymore.”

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So that is to me, like, even if no one else sees a benefit on this, I'm happy with what what's what's happened. But it is great. And how long ago was that that she shifted? So it's been a year almost since she's been on it. Right away, she saw benefits, but it wasn't until maybe six months down the road that she started to really notice that like, hey, I'm not even close to manic anymore.

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And she's been doing great. What about yourself? Yeah. And you're a, so I, I also towards the end of 2021, like my mental state had gone near, near destroyed. Like I couldn't, I was also going manic. I couldn't manage my emotions. It got so bad that I ended up getting fired from my job.

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Over some logistical issues, my pay was kind of adjusted and I just freaked out and like I yelled at my managers and I just couldn't manage it anymore. So I was out the door there and that's kind of actually a blessing in disguise, which is what gave me the time to figure this out.

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Found a new job, did really well. But benefits, as far as that goes, that's completely over. I've gained a remote control to my emotion. If I'm ever angry, I just take a little extra molybdenum with my protocol and it's gone. If I'm not all too sad, oh, I need a little extra zinc or B6, it's gone. Again, I'm speaking theoretical in my own personal experience here. Don't take this with fact, but this is what happened with me.

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I've also seen improvements in digestion to the point where I can eat really terribly. I eat horribly. And kind of to prove a point, but also because I'm very lazy,

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Um, but I eat fried food. I have a deep fryer to make fries. Cause I, the, uh, you, when you make fries in the oven, they're just not the same, you know, kind of thing. And I drink a lot of soda cause taking a bunch of pills with water really sucks. And you think, wow, this guy's really destructive for his kidneys. And you, and, and I would agree with you, except I'm getting better and better. Um, and, uh,

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You also smoke, right? A lot. I smoke a lot. My girlfriend hates it. But yeah, I smoke a lot. My kidneys are getting better and better. Like my urine's never been, I mean, it used to be dark brown when I started this and now it's clear all the time. I mean, I mean that, that the fact that I drink all the soda that I do smoke, all the cigarettes I do eat the fried food that I do in my urine's clear and I'm feeling better. Like that's, that's a miracle right there.

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My body composition is better. Oh, I'm two inches taller than when I was 30. I'm 33 now and I'm two inches taller. I'm almost six, two. I think I might be over that now. I haven't measured myself in a while, but, um,

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taller. I mean, like this is arrogant to say, but smarter. Like if you've ever seen the movie Limitless, it's the pill NZT that he takes and it makes him super smart. It's not that strong, but over time, like you just continue, like it's, I would say your IQ probably increases five points every six months on this formula. If I had to take a guess, that's a complete guess, but like I'm building things in fractions of the time it used to take me in data. For example, I can think clearly. I mean,

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Truly clearly too clearly to where people might think I'm crazy because I'm thinking too fast. But yeah, I mean I can't tell you I can't give you a benefit that it hasn't helped really like everything in my life is better I'm more positive emotionally. I feel great. I mean my libido is through the roof And my girlfriend's which is great. So if you're gonna get on this formula, I would suggest you get your partner on it, too You're gonna wear them out

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And how about for her? What's been the main thing she's been happy about? She could not breathe when she started this. She had even like a medical issue that prevented the airways in her nose cavities to take in air properly. And this formula has completely relieved the pressures in her skull to breathe. Her allergies, asthma is gone and same with myself. She used to have severe dust allergies to where she would like inflame up the moment she even touched a speck of it.

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Now she's living in, staying in my apartment, which is plenty dusty and she hasn't sneezed once. That's, that's, that's a joke. She sneezed once, but you know, it's a, you get it. Sure. Yeah.

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Um, and I think you, you shared some before and after photos of both of you, you know, you're both looking healthier, um, despite in your case, your lifestyle. Yep. And I was in a state like we're talking when I say I was at my lowest, I mean, I was in the hospital bleeding every which way with a 10 millimeter kidney stone. My kidneys were totally destroyed, but that, that didn't compare to the mental state that I was in. I was,

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I was rollercoastering between tears and screaming and laughter. I was getting to that crazy point where had this continued any further, I probably either wouldn't be alive or I'd be in a mental institution myself. And so it was kind of desperation that led me to figure this out more than anything else.

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And so you've talked a lot about mental health and I think a traditional model would think, okay, well that's more, you know, you've got to go to a therapist, you've got to talk to someone, which some people would help with, but it, you know, it does help obviously. Um, but I think your understanding of it that is that fundamentally, uh,

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it's toxicity that is causing these mental psychiatric, whatever you want to call it, disturbances. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, this is a great segue into the whole theory behind this if we want to get into it. Yeah, please. Yeah. Get into the theory. Yeah. Let's do that first. The theory is that we as a species, I mean, as almost, I would be willing to bet that everyone in this world is some level of zinc deficient.

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But it doesn't manifest until like it's too late, until you start developing things like this chronic fatigue or digestive issues, hair loss. I mean, we're talking symptom after symptom because zinc is responsible for the production and balance of all your hormones in your body. I mean, it's not solely responsible, but it is a huge player in it.

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And so if your zinc is not at the receptor level being absorbed properly, it might circulate through the blood and do some good work for a little bit, and you might absorb a tiny amount. But it's a lower molecular weight than iron is. And iron is the body wants to treat iron like it's rare.

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And I believe this is because we evolved to hunt for our food. We evolved to be much more mobile. And, you know, bleeding was kind of a more regular occurrence for men, especially. You know, we were we were physical beings back in the day. And I think the industrialization age really lifted us out of that, you know, constant bleeding stage to where we're much more sedentary. And I don't think our bodies were ready for that evolution yet.

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So I think the body still thinks that we need to bleed for our food And so it treats any iron whatsoever, which is required for you know, you know blood maintenance and creation of blood and all that I don't know the full mechanisms of how it makes blood. I just know that it's required for it I believe that because iron is rarer in nature. You actually had to get it mostly from animal meats. That's the most digestible form I guess Plant iron doesn't absorb nearly as well from what I understand. I

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your body just retains it. And so rather than surging all that retained iron through the blood, which would probably kill you because it'll dehydrate you to no end, your body uses copper to kind of store it and bind it and oxidize it. That combination of the two is oxidized sitting in those receptors for zinc. And because zinc so easily sweats out, your body will just sweat the zinc out and put the iron and copper in.

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So I just want to stop you there. So I've checked into a lot of this. The thing about zinc is mainstream science, right? Your body does, sorry, in the sense that your body does what you just said, your body does sweat out much more zinc and excrete much more zinc in general than iron or copper. So that's absolutely, everyone agrees on that. The thing about iron binding to copper is that like,

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Like your own theory? And I'll tell you why. Yeah, okay. Tell me. The theory is that iron and copper bind together because when I took EGCG, which was known to bind to iron and chelate it out, suddenly copper would start or like copper symptoms over copper toxicity symptoms would start to surface.

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So I don't know if they bind together or if they suppress each other, but either way, the two always seem to come in a pair when you're trying to detoxify off of them. So again, you're totally, you totally could be right to question that, that statement of whether they bind together or not. But from what my experience is, every time I remove iron, that surfaces a lot of copper that normally couldn't have surfaced before. And you say every time you buy, every time you move on, you mean when you take EGC? Yes. In fact, yes.

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Yeah, in fact, let's actually just tell people what this formula is and you can carry on explaining it. Is that okay? So it's comprised of EGCG, which is an extract from green tea, molybdenum, which is a mineral metal, zinc, which is a mineral metal, and then the water-soluble vitamins, specifically B5, B6, B7, often called biotin, and potassium.

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vitamin C. So that's the protocol. We'll go into the exact amounts in a bit, but just so you know what we're talking about here. So you're saying that you believe that copper and iron bind together and block these receptor sites where zinc is

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should be. And the reason why you believe that iron binds to copper, which is the question I asked, is because when you take EGCG, which is known as a strong iron chelator, suddenly you have copper toxicity symptoms. Have I understood that correctly? Yes.

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And vice versa, if I try to get rid of a bunch of copper with molybdenum and zinc and all the B vitamins and I don't take EGCG, my iron starts to surface and I start to get iron toxicity symptoms, which we actually have a mild proof for that in the forum. Someone actually went and did blood tests and took a bunch of the formula with low EGCG. Actually, he did. He did. He took a blood test before he took the formula like 24 hours without taking the formula. He went to go take a regular blood test.

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And then he went and took the same blood test after taking the – like two hours after taking the formula with low EGCG in the mix. And his iron went up like a significant amount. So we have some level of proof to say –

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that this formula is surfacing iron in some way. I don't know if I have enough to say it's surfacing copper, but I would imagine based on what I just said that you could intuitively deduce that by taking a ton of molybdenum and zinc and your copper and your iron levels were high, but your copper levels weren't, I would say that, like I said, we're depleting both here. Yeah.

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So I want to comment, but I'm not going to because I want to let you carry on explaining. So, right, so the zinc should be in these receptor sites. The iron and copper binds together and gets in there instead, right? That's the theory. And so what's the solution? How does this seven-part thing work for that? So…

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The theory is vitamin b6 is able to pull iron and copper from those receptor sites into the blood and the reason I say that is because every time I would take b6 I would get this crazy metallic taste in my blood in my body like I would start salivating like this coppery taste and so that's that's the theory there I read a few articles some saying some things supportive of it but of course you can find articles that counter everything you think and

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as well as support it. So this is all mostly off of what I feel. But when I took B6 on its own, I would start to get these metallic-y taste symptoms. I would feel really cold as if there was a ton of copper in my blood. And then… Sorry, just to talk about that. So…

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Because there's a few things that I think people who are into health would worry about with taking your formula. And one of them is that it's a reasonably high dose of B6 you're talking about. It's actually not that crazy. It's an amount that you can commonly find in one capsule of, or sorry, one daily dose of, for instance, a life extension B complex. So it's not a crazy amount of B6.

43:53

But it is an amount that some people would be concerned could lead to neuropathy. That's the main thing, right? Sorry, go ahead.

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So going along with your theory, is it possible then that you would say that perhaps the neuropathy symptoms that some people have with high levels of B6 could be caused by its effect of pulling copper into the bloodstream? Is that what you're thinking? So I actually did experience that neuropathy and that drove me to figure out this whole biotin and B5 thing in vitamin C because what I realized is

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B6 and this goes back to my statement of not assuming that vitamins cause things but rather deplete other things And so the neuropathy I was figuring out after mass dosing biotin and b5 and vitamin C after b6 is b6 Wasn't causing neuropathy at all for me. It was just the lack of biotin the lack of vitamin C with this So every time I took b6, for example, I would pull all that copper into my blood that I'm theorizing and

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And it would drain the other B vitamins so fast because it's trying to perform this full cycle of detoxification. B6 and C, all these vitamins in high doses, I assume, or theorize, each one of them are trying to force this detox process, but they need the others to do it completely.

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And so if you try to force it with a ton of B6 on its own, for example, you're going to experience deficiency symptoms like neuropathy, not toxicity symptoms, deficiency symptoms of other things. That's the theory.

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So a lot of people fail with b6 for example because they don't know you need to mass dose biotin because there is no information on the internet that says you need to take 20,000 percent of your daily recommended dose and so I had to figure that out the hard way after getting kidney stone after kidney stone and pain behind my eyes and cramps in my legs and my hair shedding It was the hair shedding that saved me It was that I took a mass dose of biotin to save the hair shedding and everything else started feeling better. I

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47:56

Maybe if I had become as interested in my hair falling out as you had my whole life with the contact liver trajectory. I never really enjoyed having hair. It was always a hassle. So I never paid much attention when it started falling out. But yeah, the biotin thing is fascinating. All right, so I'm going to address this now. So this is the reason that I became interested in your theory, by the way, out of the millions of other theories out there. So I regularly test my nutritional status with a test called the NutraVal. So it's like,

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It tests A, most of the B vitamins, C, D, E, and then it also tests copper, zinc, magnesium, potassium, manganese, maybe a couple of those. And so…

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And I've seen a bunch of other people's tests and all pretty much, I don't think I've ever seen it where a person doesn't have like a very high need for at least some of the B vitamins. And the general theory about that is it's because of stress. People are highly stressed, stress depletes B vitamins. So everyone is kind of deficient in usually several of them. And so sure enough, in my last test, despite taking loads of B vitamins, despite taking a B complex, it gives you like a rating from zero to 10. And

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And I was eight out of 10 depleted in B6 and nine out of 10 depleted in biotin. Now, the B6 made a bit of sense because he had avoided high doses of it because I a few years ago, I had neuropathy symptoms. So I wasn't having crazy high levels. So and the doctor I sometimes work with, Dr. Miriam, who's a frequent guest on here, she was recommending to me, I take high doses of B6. I was like, I don't really want to. I don't want to risk it.

49:37

But the B7, the biotin, is the most interesting thing to me because I believe the recommended daily amount is 30 micrograms a day.

49:45

And when I looked into it, like food sources, even beef liver, which is like high in all the B vitamins, is something like 40 micrograms, 50 micrograms per 100 grams. And who's eating more than 100 grams of liver? You shouldn't. Chicken liver is maybe 150. But anyway, the vast majority of foods were less than 30 micrograms per 100 grams. So it's hard to even get 30 micrograms from food. Now, I was taking supplements.

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that were a thousand micrograms. And even on my store, Phil Younger, I've got 10,000 microgram supplements, which are for hair, skin and nails, funny enough, as you were just saying. And so I take those sometimes. And so, so let's say I was having on average 5,000 micrograms a day. So I was actually having, so if the recommended daily amount is 30 micrograms, which I think is right, you can fact check me. So then I was 300. Okay. Really? I might be wrong on that.

50:43

biotin that's quite a big difference biotin rda yeah uh for me it's showing up 30 yeah um okay so but anyway i'm not saying that's not low of a dosage before it's always been like 300 in most b complexes

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Or more, right? But it's like B12, where they give you way more than the recommended amount. B12, I think, is similar, where it's 30 or 50 or something, but they always give you at least 1,000 or 500. Usually, it's well over that. Yeah, so anyway, so biotin, I was having, as I said, let's say I was having an average of 5,000. So I was having an average of 100 times the RDA of biotin in the six months preceding that test.

51:29

And yet I get a test back and it tells me that I'm almost severely deficient in biotin. And I'm like, how has that happened? And I have some of the symptoms of it. Obviously the hair loss. The biggest discovery in this formula was the biotin. Like everything else, like you could probably find evidence to say online that like that, yeah, you probably need that. But the biotin, man, that took forever and no one believes it, but you need a ton more.

51:55

So tell us. All right. So the recommended daily amount is 30 micrograms. As you said, most supplements have maybe 500 or a thousand micrograms like B complexes. You can get 10,000 micrograms. Sometimes there's like a special head in there. One supplement with a hundred milligrams. Someone showed it to me on Amazon and I was like, I've never seen that before, but that, yeah. So there's, there's no supplement out there that's going to provide this. You got to buy the pure powder. I mean, like that's the only way that this is really cost effective here.

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And so when you say this, you know, let's end the suspense. So in your formula, what is the daily dose of biotin? Well, so I originally posted it at 100 milligrams, thinking that would be enough, a one to one for B6. And people were still experiencing low biotin symptoms. Like every time someone would post something, it was usually a low biotin or low molybdenum symptom. And so I'd say, okay, increase your biotin. And so we eventually, I just said, no, I'm going to raise it to 200. So right now the dosage protocol calls for 200 milligrams of biotin, which is

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That has alleviated a lot of these people on the forums' problems is just increasing their biotin. And this, by the way, biotin of all the things in this formula, biotin is probably the safest to overdo from my experience.

53:05

I've taken handfuls of the stuff. I mean, we're talking pure powder. Taken a good chunk of it at once and all it does is just clump in your mouth and you just eventually throw up. Now, the one exception to this, not throw up, sorry, you just spit it out, but the one exception is if you're already really low B5 or really low on something else,

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and you try to take a ton of biotin, like you might aggravate the issue a little bit. But again, of all the things, biotin, I would overdo biotin just to be safe. B5 is another one that I would do that too, but biotin definitely. Yeah, it's probably more to B5 and I want to do that. So just to emphasize that this is,

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almost 10,000 times the recommended amount. Not 10,000%, 10,000 times. And for people who are not as good with math necessarily. So 200 milligrams, which is what you just said there, is 200%.

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200,000 micrograms. Not micrograms, milligrams. Yes. So this is an absolutely massive amount of biotin. And so I did experiment with this. And actually, I have to agree with you. I felt like great on higher levels of biotin. I'm not taking 200 milligrams its own. And you do emphasize that with your protocol, that if you

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do any of the components on its own, you might well feel bad. If you leave out any of the components, you might well feel bad. And I, and you know, you found that out obviously through experience in your own self and the couple of people who you've worked with intimately. Uh, I also have experimented with it a little bit, obviously not as much as you. And I do agree with you that when you do all the elements of your protocol together, uh,

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somehow a lot of the problems you might expect from having any of these elements on its own don't manifest. And a lot of other people are giving the same feedback, right? Like people are saying, it used to be if I took 500 micrograms of molybdenum, I would get all, you know, I'd feel sick. I'd have all these symptoms. Now I'm taking 3000 micrograms and I feel totally great. And then often people need to raise it from that too. Yeah.

55:07

interesting all right well we'll get to but as you said in the sequence so you've got a sequence right so you've got b6 then you've got biotin so you said the next thing is b5 yeah well b5 is is a harder one to diagnose and i it's really and the reason it's hard for me to diagnose is because i always get enough of it like i always take a little too much of it so and i guess if i'm thinking back to my early days before i figured it out it kind of

55:32

I think the molybdenum causing that electrified skin in people, I think that's the low B5. Because low B5, I remember, caused an electric feeling in my skin. I didn't like it. I felt uneasy. I had insomnia. I just feel like it has something to do with the production of…

55:54

This formula does a few things. So it's detoxing copper, but along the way, it's also producing like ATP. It's producing energy. Like it's, it's a chain of nutrients that do all these things. And without the B5, I feel like the energy piece of it was struggling. Like it wasn't producing any energy. My hair would get greasy. My skin would feel electricky. I would get like,

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TMI, but I would get some pretty dark diarrhea. And it was just a weird experience. So I can't really be specific on the B5 symptoms, but I do know you need it. And it's very easy to take a lot of it. So you just take, you know, most supplements come in the 500 milligrams. One of those is plenty for this formula. And in the dosages, that's actually double what you need. So almost double. So yeah.

56:39

So that's very uncontroversial to be five. As you said, that's commonly available at the amounts that you're recommending. Just go back to biotin. Actually, I realized I talked about it for ages, but we didn't tell people the deficiency symptoms. So what's your experience? So the deficiency symptoms of B biotin, uh,

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Most, this is theory, but I feel like it has a lot to do with metabolism of calcium in the tissues. Because when I would not get enough of it, I would get really bad leg and foot cramps. My hair felt like the follicles were plugged up with like,

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I don't even know how to describe it. The best way I'd describe it was calcium deposits or something that just couldn't feed to the hair, I guess. I don't know. It just felt like my hair follicles were clogged with pus, a weird kind of metallic pus. And then my digestion was terrible. I would get really bad constipation. My stool would bulk up like crazy.

57:35

I'm trying to think what else here, low biotin. I'm looking at your list here. So you've got constipation. Anxiety. Anxiety, yeah. Anxiety and bad dreams. Yes, the bad dreams are the worst when you're low biotin. It's like your worst fears just manifest in dreams. It's crazy.

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And so if there's someone who has nightmares frequently, would just trying a high dose of biotin be a pretty safe, let's just see if it helps? Of all the recommendations I would ever make on an isolated nutrient, I would suggest biotin would probably be the one. Yeah.

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Interesting. And also, so low energy in general, because it's required for energy production, right? But here's the thing, it only works so long until you like it doesn't do anything anymore until you need the rest of the formula to kind of produce more nutrients to do a biotin does, because like, like any B vitamin, your body has a cap on how much it can take in, and then eventually just won't do anything until more is drained again.

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Um, that's what, that's what I figured out with biotin anyways, at first it really helped with all these symptoms. And then I, you know, eventually just stopped doing anything and it like just kind of tasted like grainy powder and didn't, you know, wouldn't digest at all. Kind of, that's why I take the pure powder too, because it dissolves fast when you need it. And when you don't, it clumps up.

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Okay, so that's when you put it in your tongue. Could you explain that a little bit more for people? Yes. And I only do this with biotin because I know I can overdose it without any major problems or any even minor problems. But I take the pure powder under the tongue and just let it sit there. And every time I'm low biotin and I feel those low biotin symptoms and I take it, it dissolves very fast.

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If I take it when I'm not experiencing any low biotin symptoms, it might dissolve a little bit, but it usually just clumps. Now, when I take it with the formula, because it's constantly using biotin, it'll dissolve with the other formula components utilizing in the stomach or whatnot. So…

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Yeah, I was going to say, any time I've tried putting the pure biotin in my tummy, it's always just dissolved. So I guess… You might need more. Yeah. Also, you just can't get enough of the pills of it because nobody sells… I mean, like I said, very few people sell the 100 milligram biotin. So it's just tiring to take 20 pills of biotin. So the pure powder is just way to go for me. Yep, fair enough. Yeah.

59:54

Well, if I get into this enough, maybe I'll sell all these in the correct dosages to make things easy for people in my store. But for now, all right, let's carry on. So buy 10, B6, B5, fantastic. So we've explained those a little bit. So just to recap, B6 pulls B5.

01:00:11

Something we think it's iron and copper bound together out of the where it's stored, kind of stopping zinc absorption. And then the B6 and the B7, sorry, the B5 and the B7 essentially help the process. In fact, there is there is enough information online, I believe, to say that biotin is a coenzymator of B6. Yes, I believe the known thing.

01:00:34

At B5 and B7, certainly there's a well-known relationship between those two. Yeah. Okay.

01:00:52

So I don't know how essential those ones are, but I do know you get a lot of the other ones in food, from my understanding, especially B1 and B2. I believe a lot of foods are even fortified with them, at least in America, but I could be wrong on that.

01:01:05

They are in America a lot more, yeah. Thiamine B1 deficiency used to be a really big thing about 150 years ago called beriberi. And so they mandated adding it to wheat specifically. Wheat is the only thing that's added to in the UK. It might be added to more stuff in the US. Even that I wonder if that really was a B1 deficiency or if it was an iron toxicity because the blue fingernails can manifest in both the copper iron toxicity or the B1 deficiency.

01:01:34

So again, this is just questions I have. These aren't me saying that that's wrong. That's a question I have with this formula because why aren't the other B vitamins necessary? That's always what I'm asking. Well, I'll give you a bit of interesting, again, it's just anecdotal data on this. So I told you I had that NutraVal where it said I was severely deficient in biotin, right? So I tried…

01:01:57

I was very, very conservative with your formula, which is unusual for me. I often go into things gung-ho, but I actually started off just, and I know you don't necessarily recommend this, but this is what I did. I started off with just a quarter dose a day to see how that went, and everything seemed fine, and I went to half a dose. And I think I did one full dose once, and then I had a few days of not doing it because…

01:02:19

For various reasons, but one of them being you can't take biotin before doing one of these blood tests because it actually skews the results. So I stopped the whole thing for three days. Then I did another neutroval test. So this is only a few weeks ago, like two and a half weeks ago. And I just got my results back. And it's the first neutroval test I've ever seen where there was no B vitamin deficiency.

01:02:42

Not only was there no deficiency of B6 and B7 that I just said, there was no deficiency of any of the B vitamins.

01:02:50

even though I'd stopped taking a B complex a while ago. So again, it's obviously very anecdotal, but to support what you just said, that if you do very high doses of B5, B6 and B7, somehow your body then actually has sufficient levels of all the rest of the B vitamins. My theory is that by doing this formula, by doing HG7 and eliminating iron and copper,

01:03:14

your usage of B vitamins is far less because it's like your body's in a constant state of needing them. With all those extra heavy metals, it's like your body's just constantly drained of them. As those metals leave the body, your body is able to store more of them. That's my theory, is that your food is utilized better. The B vitamins you do get from your food is able to store more so because your excess copper and iron, which copper is an adrenal stimulant,

01:03:39

isn't constantly drip draining your B vitamins daily, which is what I suspect is causing chronic fatigue is just all that excessive metal stimulating the adrenal system so much and your B vitamins simply just can't compensate without pulling

01:03:52

pulling all that iron into the blood causing iron toxicity issues. So it's kind of like a safety mechanism. The body's in this chronic fatigue state because that's a better alternative than pulling all that iron into the blood with B vitamins and making you iron toxic and hemochromatosis, whatever.

01:04:09

and giving you like really bad iron toxicity symptoms. So the body is kind of choosing the lesser of two evils by putting you in this poor emotional chronic fatigue state versus surging your blood with these metals and eventually killing you. That's my- Yeah, wow, okay.

01:04:28

Yes, and it's definitely an interesting theory. It's funny you say heavy metals. So I think when most people think of heavy metals, they would think of mercury, aluminum, lead, sorry, aluminum, you guys call it lead, cadmium, things like that. But you're actually talking about copper and iron. Well, I'm talking about iron mostly. Copper, I mean, we do need copper. This is the hardest conversation I have to have with skeptics is like,

01:04:52

They all throw the, well, you need copper, you need iron. I'm like, yes, I know, but you have much more of it in your body than you realize. That's my theory anyway. And so it's all just in the tissues. It's in the bone marrow even. It's in, you know, it's in men, it's in our testes, it's in our brain. It's making us more feminine. Our zinc isn't able to produce the testosterone it once did from…

01:05:14

Way back in the days, back when we were jacked up and hunting deer for our meals every day, we used to be these primal beings is my theory. And we've just been slowly feminizing ourselves and women included. They've been slowly becoming more and more feminine.

01:05:30

softer every all of us have becoming are becoming softer from this copper toxicity with iron included just crazy thing going on in all our food our farming mechanisms or vaccines I mean I'm not gonna you know just talk about vaccines much but I'm just gonna say they do there it is a consequence when you inject metals into the body

01:05:52

And those vaccines, they have metals in them. And so, you know, we're kind of set up to fail as a humanity with all these metals being introduced in our food or even fortifying our childhood series with iron, you know, and we're not bleeding anymore. We've done everything we can to avoid bleeding in society. In fact, it's like a crime to punch someone in the face even, you know. So we just don't have that detox mechanism anymore.

01:06:22

It probably should be a crime to punch people in the face, but I do think it's going a bit crazy, like in my country, where it's a crime to hurt someone's feelings. Well, I'm just saying, I have a problem with that. But anyway, I'm just saying we need mechanisms in society where it's like encouraged to rough yourself up a little bit.

01:06:40

Oh, okay. You're saying people never actually bleed anymore. Yeah, I got you. We just need children's schools even, like recess. They've made things that are too dangerous. No running outside. We kind of need that. We kind of need a little bit of self-destructive behavior because our bodies evolved that way. That's the theory. We've evolved to be self-destructive and our blood is…

01:07:00

It's a bit similar to the immune system theory that, you know, because we have so little dirt that it's actually made our immune system worse. So you're saying something similar. This is also why women live longer is because they are menstruating for a good half of their lives, if not more.

01:07:16

and they're losing blood, so they're losing iron. The copper is still stuck in there, but the iron is at least depleting. At least that's my theory. And that's partially why I think women are a little bit more prone to the emotional aspect of mental disorder versus men being more prone to the chronic fatigue aspect of it, is my experience anyway, because we don't have that iron depletion. And so our blood's heavy, right?

01:07:38

They don't have that copper depletion and they're just crazy. What makes you think that copper is like feminizing? Because for me, I think of, you know, alchemy going back hundreds of years. Each of the seven classical planets from astrology would be associated with a specific planet.

01:07:59

kind of energy or archetype and copper is related to Venus, which is the classic kind of feminine archetype. So that's what I'm thinking. Is that what you're basing on? So it's, it's actually the direct antagonistic effect copper has on zinc. That is why I call it feminizing because zinc is directly responsible for the, the blocking of the aromatase enzyme, which is what converts, you know, hormones into the feminine, or it's part of what converts a lot of hormones in the feminine byproducts.

01:08:25

Aromatase enzyme. And that I learned pretty early on in the bodybuilding industry is that, you know, zinc was highly valued. Like if you ever heard of ZMA supplements, you know, a lot of that is pretty coveted as testosterone boosters because of that blocking of the aromatase enzyme activity that zinc has.

01:08:43

Okay, so that's why. All right. So it's the copper is zinc's antagonist. That is why I call it feminizing is because you're literally you're taking it by taking copper and iron, you're you're antagonizing what's keeping your testosterone testosterone. Got it. Okay, fair enough. Makes sense.

01:09:02

And so with heavy metals, have you given any thought to the kind of more typical heavy metals like lead, mercury, whatever? So I mean, in terms of how it relates to this formula? I mean, cadmium is probably a concern I should have. But like I said, I continue to get better on this formula regardless. So I'm thinking my theory is that the increased zinc retention causes your body to go into a sort of state where it is able to deplete these other heavy metals easier on its own.

01:09:28

like the proteins needed the ceruloplasm or whatever you need to produce to get rid of these heavy metals out of the body i believe the increased zinc retention is actually causing your body to get rid of the other stuff so i want to give you a couple of data points again to perhaps back up what you're saying um so you just said about the aromatization um

01:09:51

I actually want to see if I can share my screen and share this with you and the viewers for a second. So again, I've not been doing this for very long, so it's early days, but this is estradiol. Do you see that?

01:10:10

So you can see when I first tested it, this was back in like 2019 or something, it was high, 150. And really for a lot, I mean, I was using different companies during that period, so there was nothing there. But you can see in 22, 23, it's kind of mid-range-ish. And I tested it pretty recently. So this one is December the 5th. It's 76, and it's before I started the formula.

01:10:32

Um, literally I think it's, uh, 34 days later, I then tested again. I had the lowest estetal reading that I've ever seen. Um, what I love, I love to do this. So I actually haven't had any evidence of this yet. This is all just based on my personal feelings, but here we have an actual visual of, of support.

01:10:54

Now, I already got to below mid-range there on my own, right? But it is still interesting that within a month, it's dropped that much. And yeah, it does support what you're saying. And then I haven't got the other one ready. But just in terms of heavy metals, my regular viewers know that I had lead toxicity. That was one of my big health issues. It was insanely high when I first tested in 2021. And I think it's

01:11:19

like the reference range is zero to three and it was 27. So it was well out of what it should be. And then for the last few years, it's been like seven. It's just stabilized at that level, which is still not great. And then the last time I tested it was three and a half. And again, that was like,

01:11:38

uh two three weeks ago so again it seems to have had a drop since doing this and ecg ecg which we'll talk about next as well as binding iron it does also bind other heavy metals i saw including lead and including cadmium so i was wondering if you felt like maybe it's also this formula potentially also works on that level i don't know much about the other metals at this like i've

01:12:03

This whole formula has been surrounded by the three, iron, copper, and zinc, and molybdenum kind of being the supporting agent there. But the three have been the biggest focus of mine because they are by far the most important, or these three specifically share storage sites or absorption mechanisms, from my understanding. And so everything else is kind of secondary, and I feel like it's all secondarily being helped as I address this primary reason.

01:12:30

Um, that's again, theory. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. So yeah, so let's, uh, we've done the B vitamins. Do we go to EGCG next? Let's do vitamin C next just to cover that piece. Vitamin C is from my experience, uh, both a lubricant of the bloodstream, uh, and the tissues as well as like a, a, a mobilizer and binder of copper in a way. Um,

01:12:55

But the thing is, C will mobilize and push copper towards the detox sites from what I'm theorizing, and I'll tell you why in a second. But it doesn't remove it. The mechanisms to remove these metals, we'll get to in a bit with the molybdenum and the EGCG, but the C mobilizes it to the areas where it needs to go. And the reason I say that is because when I would…

01:13:17

take certain things, I would deplete my C levels. And when I would get so low on C, I would experience the bleeding gums, which is pretty common for what they say low C symptoms would be. I would experience the bleeding gums, but my skin would feel acidic. My blood would feel acidic. And it would feel stagnant. I'd feel really

01:13:35

like almost sore in my body and when I took vitamin C it felt like a like a force in my blood was causing it to be a flowing river again instead of a stagnant Lake it would flow and push and cause things to to saw like my skin would get cooled down from the acidity if that makes sense and but if I took too much

01:13:57

would cause pressures in like my kidney areas and my my gut and it would cause like print pain behind my eyes and that was Miserable and like my teeth would start to crumble because I was just taking vitamin C on its own and not and not taking anything else I theorize it was like forcing a copper detox that wasn't being balanced so it was kind of like leaching calcium from my bones and teeth and

01:14:21

as I was trying to do it. So when I took vitamin B6 with that and all the other B vitamins, suddenly that stopped. That pain behind the eyes, the pressures in my body started to get a little better, but it wasn't complete until

01:14:33

It just got a lot better. So that's where the theory of having to combine nutrients came in. So anyway, vitamin C is a mobilizer of copper. It is a lubricant of the process. Think of it like the oil of a machine. You need vitamin C constantly flowing or the machines get stuck and minerals get stuck in the blood or in the joints and they can't mobilize very easily and start getting joint pains and stomach issues. And I

01:14:58

I mean, every single one of these can cause stomach issues if you don't take enough of it or too much of certain things. And you're talking about taking five grams, maybe, which is 5,000 milligrams, which, again, Linus Pauling back in the 1970s was using way high doses of…

01:15:18

you know safely with people and claiming to cure them of all kinds of diseases so there's nothing crazy about that i would say um but there are some people again who even at that level have some quite unpleasant side effects from it and so you do have a potential theory as to why that is with uh yeah the theory is basically you're already very low on something else and taking vitamin c is just aggravating that until you replenish that nutrient that you're very low on and

01:15:42

In most cases, I would say it's probably molybdenum or biotin, biotin being a big one because just nobody knows how much is needed. Molybdenum being the other because we just have so much copper in our diets, it's outbalancing the molybdenum. And so molybdenum is constantly low in everybody because the two are very balanced in the body. You need balance of both.

01:16:01

Do you want to talk about molybdenum next or EGCG? So let's talk about EGCG first. So EGCG is an antioxidant, as you said. It's from green tea. It's part of green tea. And some people get this confused. Green tea itself may not have any EGCG. It depends on the supplement you get. It depends on how highly standardized it is. But it is very important that it is standardized to probably about 50% or 45% is what I usually go for.

01:16:26

So if brands matter, what's the type that you do recommend? I usually suggest the life extension one. I've confirmed that that one does have effect. I use a triple strength that I find on Amazon that's fairly cheap. It's really high strength. But I mean, most of them operate pretty similarly. It's just when you find a brand that works and you find one that doesn't, you can definitely tell a difference between the two.

01:16:48

And so you've already said that, you know, the reason you're taking EGCG is to bind to the iron, right? It behaves as an iron chelator and it's kind of a silent chelator. So it will chelate, it passes the blood brain barrier. And so you actually don't need to pull it out of the tissues for it to do this.

01:17:05

it will go in and chelate iron. The problem with doing that without the formula is you leave all this suppressed free copper now free and able to surface again, but it doesn't actually surface until you take the B vitamins and vitamin C. And it wasn't until I took a bunch of EGCG for a long time without the other stuff that I realized it was doing this because I took a

01:17:26

I took a bottle of EGCG every other month, it felt like. And then I took alpha lipoic acid, which is supposed to surface copper in the body and detoxify it. And…

01:17:38

It destroyed me because all of that copper I had left un-chelated out of the body from taking all of this iron, or excuse me, EGCG and chelating all this iron out had suddenly surfaced and it like killed my kidneys. Like it was so much copper. I was experiencing every single copper toxicity symptom you could imagine to the point where I, like I had kidney stone after kidney stone. It was the worst experience of my life.

01:18:03

So I learned that EGCG will chelate iron regardless. And so I take enough of the formula to pull out everything that I'm chelating with the copper included to be detoxed out the kidneys with the molybdenum, which we'll get into after this.

01:18:18

So alpha lipoic acid is famous again for moving heavy metals and taking them out of storage and bringing them into the blood, which is why it makes people feel like crap sometimes. Have you ever tested for other heavy metals to see if they may be a factor? Not myself. I can gauge based on how I feel and the metallic tastes in my mouth that I am certainly metal toxic when I am, but I've never actually taken a test to identify this because every test I've tried has always told me I'm just fine.

01:18:44

like it's always told me normal levels of everything. So I just stopped trusting most tests. You might want to, if you're open to it, you might not try a challenge chest. Have you heard of DMSA? No, I've not. So DMSA is similar to alpha lipoic acid, but it's stronger. It's the medical stuff that they will give you if you have such a high level of heavy metal toxicity that even a medical doctor thinks is a problem. So it's very effective, but,

01:19:07

but what it does is it moves heavy metals out of storage in a very high level so often what they'll do is they'll do a challenge test where they'll give you a big dose of dmsa and then you urinate uh afterwards and you collect your urine and you send it off and so it kind of exposes hidden metal toxicity i'm pretty sure they'd also measure copper so if you ever wanted to see

01:19:27

That would be a great way of actually testing. Do you still have lots of copper in storage? Do you have a bunch of other stuff in storage? Maybe do you have mercury? Do you have whatever? I think it's worth considering. Yes, and that's actually a great segue into a point I want to make. So there are plenty of copper chelators out there and iron chelators. The reason why I needed this formula is the way it is is because I believe the body has a special mechanism that it does when it removes these metals. And it does it in a specific balance and sequence.

01:19:55

If you try to remove just copper, which I tried to do with NAC, I believe, N-acetylcysteine and rutin, if you try to just remove the copper, you're not doing anything about the iron that's associated with it. And suddenly you get all these crazy iron toxicity symptoms. That's why a lot of people who try to detox just copper end up getting white hair is because you do need free copper to produce melanin and hair color and all that, skin color. But

01:20:23

You won't have any free copper if you have all this excess iron in the body first. So you got to get rid of the iron with the copper in a proper balance while also keeping a flow of these B vitamins to transport any tissue calcium that you're revealing by removing this copper and iron.

01:20:38

iron because you will reveal it. At least that's my theory. And it mobilizes the calcium with that into the bones, the hair, the skin, wherever it needs to go that it couldn't have gotten into before because your zinc receptors were so bad and your calcium metabolism was so terrible.

01:20:53

And so when you remove just one with a specific ingredient like a specific key later It actually can be more hurtful than helpful if you don't do it in the right balance That's why I had to figure this out with the vitamins and just the minerals with one ingredient the egcg being the exception Being the iron key later. It had to be this way It's much better in your body to be a little bit higher copper than iron than it is to be higher iron than copper and

01:21:17

And that's because your body can use that little bit of free copper to produce energy and whatnot, whereas it won't be able to do that if your iron level is too high. Interesting. Okay. And yeah, just to clarify, I was not suggesting you do a different thesis protocol. This is like, it's a one thing to test. It was a great point to make just regarding chelators because a lot of people screw this up. So I wanted to mention that. But yes, as a test, I totally see the value.

01:21:41

And I also agree with you. Yeah. Like the MSA, I ended up not doing it to deal with my lead issue because it does free up a lot of metals. And as you just said, it creates an imbalanced mess. And so I'm not saying that anyone viewing or listening to this, just to clarify, should do a DMSA program, but I am just saying if,

01:22:00

If you want to ascertain if you have hidden toxic metals inside you, including… I totally agree. That would be a fantastic test. I would definitely do that. I mean, you could honestly test my urine now and probably see a ton of metals coming out.

01:22:15

Yeah, it's potential. I mean, a urine metals test is not that expensive. I think it's like $100. So for anyone who's watching, who's thinking that that's somehow out of range, if $100 is not out of range for you, it's something you can potentially test to see if there is something like that going on. And I think a lot of them do include copper. Anyway, let's go to molybdenum.

01:22:35

I have questions about molybdenum, but yeah, let's explain the basics for people first. We've got the B vitamins pulling the iron out. We've got the vitamin C pushing it. And now we've got the EGCG removing the iron. Now you've revealed copper. And copper wants to find, I mean, this is my theory, it wants to find new metals and iron to bind to and go right back into the storage. So you have to do two things. You have to refill that storage you just pulled copper and iron from with zinc.

01:23:04

So you need to take the right amount of zinc that balances out what these B vitamins are pulling and what you're chelating the iron out. And then you have to get rid of this copper. And so when you replenish the zinc, the copper finally says, okay, I can't go back into storage now. I'm going to detox. So it goes to the kidneys where you need a quick shot of molybdenum because molybdenum produces uric acid in the body.

01:23:25

Without that uric acid, that quick shot of it, the copper can't bind and flush in the urine and it just recycles in the kidneys and eventually wreaks havoc on the body and scours the body for other places to go. This is what happened to me for a long time and I believe this is what made me crazy. It literally shut my brain into a short circuit in my brain from all this free copper floating around.

01:23:47

And so eventually taking molybdenum, your body gets this quick floodgate open of uric acid, latches onto the free copper that's in your blood and passes it through. It does not work if iron exceeds your copper levels. So if you have what I call iron-bound copper in the blood, without EGCG, that molybdenum will attempt to try and flush it out, but it won't work because the iron molecules are too large for it to pass through the urine.

01:24:11

And because the body wants to recycle iron as best it can, it will do so until you bind it with that EGCG and make it unrecyclable. The body will treat bound iron with EGCG as it's not recyclable and pass it through the bile ducts.

01:24:27

So by doing this process with the molybdenum and eventually replenishing the zinc with the B vitamins and vitamin C, it's one big cycle. And as you do this, your zinc storages are rising and rising and rising. And eventually your body goes into DNA heal mode and you begin to grow and heal and go back to your peak form is the theory. You go back to your peak form.

01:24:47

age even because your body's telomerase production which is an enzyme supposedly theoretically that keeps your telomeres intact on your DNA which dictates your cell division and so if this is constantly being replenished, rehealed, rejuvenated theoretically you don't age and you could even reverse your age my girlfriend has specifically stated people have told her she looks younger than she did when she was in her 20s she just turned 30 she looks younger than she ever did

01:25:15

And I would say so. So that's the whole theory. Basically, in a nutshell, you are getting rid of blocking metals and replacing it with zinc with supporting agents.

01:25:29

Okay, so I definitely want to ask you some questions about molybdenum. Just to clarify, because I know a lot of people who are listening to this may be skeptical, rightly so. So I just want to read out to you a mainstream list of copper toxicity symptoms. So there's kind of the standard things like nausea, vomiting, diarrhea that you'd expect with any kind of poisoning. But listen to some of the psychiatric symptoms. So mood swings, anxiety, psychosis in severe cases, anxiety.

01:25:56

uh kidney damage uh weakened immune system metallic taste in the mouth what jacob is talking about mood changes including depression or irritability cognitive issues like memory loss or confusion fatigue so yeah i just want to say this is i'm just reading out like a you know an

01:26:17

AI answers, which is as mainstream as it gets. So it's not like such a crazy theory that all these psychological issues could come up. And of course, extreme toxicity actually leads to Wilson's disease, which I find so fascinating because I think, you know, the importance of psychopaths on the world is hugely underestimated and

01:26:37

I think everyone should go for a brain scan to test for psychopathy before they're allowed to be in an elected office, for instance. You know, I think this is like such a huge thing. And the fact that an excess of copper can actually cause a person to literally like go evil. That's not crazy, I know.

01:26:56

No, but it does. I mean, I'm talking a full personality transformation in myself. We're talking a guy who was afraid to not afraid, but just didn't want to go out and be about and talk to people. I was always angry. I was always frustrated with everything. I was always on edge. Now. I mean, I've only been at my new job for a month and I've got people high five and me, you know, patting me on the shoulder. I have good conversations with people. If nothing else, I'm

01:27:21

you know, I would say this has improved my social ability tenfold. I mean, I've shared a story on the forum about, I don't know if I should share it here or not. It's a little PG 13, but I would go to a gentleman's clubs as a, as a social test. So as a social test, I did a, I, when I started this formula every six months, I would go to the same one and the girls at first would ignore me. My girlfriend probably looking at me probably angrily right now, but this is a true thing that I would do.

01:27:47

And then they would ignore me. They wouldn't talk to me. And then six months later after this formula, after a year, suddenly the girls started talking to me. And then another six months, the girls were competing for the opportunity to give me a private dance. And then another six, and they don't even remember who I was. It was like, cause I was going in a look for infrequent enough timeframe to where they didn't know really who I was. And there was enough changes in dancers, but it was,

01:28:08

crazy how people started magnetizing towards me as my facial bone structure started shifting ever so slightly. My face, like my lower jaw has formed in, my hair has gotten thicker. I've gotten taller. My, you know, my, my, my shoulders have gotten broader and in my girlfriend, it's the opposite. She's gotten more feminine. So her hips have gotten, you know, more hourglass shaped. Her, her face has gotten softer, more, almost, almost more youthful. Um,

01:28:33

And childlike innocence in her eyes kind of returned. It's crazy what the feminine change does versus the masculine. But the social experiment, people were just becoming nicer and nicer and nicer to me when I wasn't changing anything. And eventually, towards the end of this experiment, I had gotten three numbers of three different dancers, which apparently never happens, that I never called. I never did anything with. But I'm just saying…

01:28:56

The social aspect of this is absolutely incredible. At work, people are approaching me more and want to talk to me when this was never a thing before. People wanted to get away from me. And rightfully so. I wasn't a very happy person.

01:29:13

So you feel like a level of magnetism or charisma? Yeah, crazy. It's the craziest thing. And copper, I believe, like the more copper toxic you get, the more just crazy and evil you become, the more selfish you become. I mean, I mean,

01:29:27

You know the theory or the actual fact now that women who are on birth control tend to view men who are masculine as less attractive as they would when they're off birth control. I'm pretty sure, as you say, that's proven. That alone proves that hormones just have this huge effect on how we perceive people. I also believe how we are perceived, just generally by the minor shifts in…

01:29:54

in measurements in your eyes. I mean, we can tell a lot more about a person's health by looking at their eyes than we realize. So just crazy. It's crazy to see changes like that, like just people wanting to be near you.

01:30:10

Now, I want to talk with you, sorry to go back, but about molybdenum, because this is a really interesting thing. So a lot of people do, in the alternative health world, it's not mainstream, but in the alternative health world, they talk about using molybdenum to detoxify copper, right? And so I've heard that before. I'd taken high-dose copper before. Unlike some of the people doing this experiment with you, I never really noticed much of a difference, honestly. But what I was interested in is the interaction you said it had with uric acid, because…

01:30:38

Whenever I tested my uric acid, I'm just going to share my screen with you again, it had always been very low, right? Which, according to any kind of mainstream medical perspective, is fine. And you can see here it's actually been too low in a bunch of occasions, right, according to their kind of measurements.

01:30:56

and, but you know, when you look into it, when I asked the doctors, like, eh, you know, don't worry about it. Like they could see no real problem with this. Um, but your theory is that you need uric acid to, uh, transport copper out of the body, correct? Flush it out. Yep. Yep. Okay. And so could it be that the reason why my uric acid kept getting so low is because my body was overloaded with copper, uh,

01:31:23

And it kind of depleted all the uric acid. That's the theory. I would say that theory has some weight to it based on what I've experienced and what people are experiencing in this forum. So yeah, I would say that's very in line with what I'm trying to figure out here. So I've actually been doing some extensive testing of this, Jacob, because unlike with a lot of these other tests, you know those blood glucose monikers that diabetics use where you can just prick your finger and you can get results within a few seconds? So I found you can get that for uric acid as well.

01:31:52

So I got myself one of those. It's literally like $30.

01:31:55

And so I have been experimenting and playing with what happens. And so sure enough, when I first test it, it's low again, like 200 or something. And then I do your formula, and then the uric acid does go up. You know, in the most it's been is like 350, something like that. But it never goes up too much. And then, you know, after a while, it just goes right back down again. And I've actually found it, you talk a lot about calibration, which I want to make sure we cover before we finish. Yeah.

01:32:25

like, uh, for my wife, for instance, she was feeling really rotten and she tested the uric acid and it was below detection level, which means one eight below one 80. So I gave her a bunch of molybdenum based on that rather than symptoms because normally you calibrate everything based on symptoms. Um,

01:32:40

Um, and, uh, and she felt a lot better. So she wasn't, she's not as kinesthetically aware. So she's not aware of like the thing, the symptoms that, you know, you're hyper aware of, I'm medium aware of. Um, but using that test, I could see that the molybdenum was probably low because as you said, your body burns through molybdenum in order to raise uric acid and uric acid, even though everyone thinks of it as gout is considered to actually be an important antioxidant in the body. Right. And also, I mean, it's, um,

01:33:10

Dang it. I lost my train of thought. I was going to make a point to something you said. We were talking about uric acid, how you could take your, you said your wife took some and she felt a lot better, right? Yes. Yes.

01:33:24

If you take too much of it, though, without everything else, you will experience those symptoms that we were talking about, like the electrified skin. Some people get really sick on this stuff. But listening to your body, this is the point I was going to make. Listening to your body is a lot easier after you've experienced what fixing the symptom feels like.

01:33:43

So she probably now knows that after she's fixed that with molybdenum, she's now remembered, okay, now this is what I felt like with low molybdenum. That's what I've been constantly doing these last few years is remembering when I do fix something with something, I remember what I felt like with that, and then before I took it, and then how I took it, so I can record that symptom as a calibration method later on, if that makes sense.

01:34:05

It does make sense. I do think, though, some people are less kinesthetically aware than others. Some people are less visually aware than others. Some people are less auditorily aware than others. Those are like three skill sets. And I'm sure your theory is the healthier people get, the more they're good at all of those dimensions, right? Yeah, I would say the formula increases every skill you ever had. Yeah.

01:34:26

So, so yeah, like, so assuming that true, but I still think some people are better at some things than others. Um, but yeah, so, so let's talk about, uh, calibration because, so basically your theory on this that you've working with so far, correct me if I'm wrong with any of this is if people follow your formula, they feel better, they feel better quickly. Um, uh, but yeah,

01:34:52

If they don't feel better, it's usually because they need to calibrate. So could you explain what that means and what's involved? You know, everyone's going to come on here saying like, well, we're all different. Nothing could be the universal formula. And they would be right to a certain degree. So where we are different, or I guess where we're all the same, is the ratio of nutrients that we take. Like these are nutrients that our human body is designed to use, right?

01:35:16

Like that knows exactly what to do with them. And so we wouldn't have daily recommended dosages of anything if we weren't somewhat similar in the aspect of what these ratios are. Now, where we differ is where we're all starting from. So some people might have a higher iron balance and some people might have a higher copper balance and the two almost always antagonize each other. So if you have a higher copper balance, you're almost always going to show lower iron and vice versa. And, and so, um,

01:35:44

Some people need less of the EGCG to start and more of the molybdenum and vice versa. Some people need more of the EGCG and molybdenum and less of the zinc to start, for example. And so the calibration is there to we have a standard dosage that everyone seems to feel pretty good on.

01:36:05

But if you're starting from an extreme imbalance, you need to calibrate a little bit. So I've got three, basically what could be, there's three things that can happen. You either take too much zinc or not enough or not enough molybdenum. And so when you take too much zinc, you almost force too much iron out too quickly and you need more EGCG and molybdenum to compensate because the B vitamins and vitamin C should be plenty there and they're water soluble, which means they won't usually be used until they're needed and

01:36:32

So really the zinc molybdenum and egcg are driving the process The vitamins are in the stomach sitting there waiting to be pulled from like a fulfillment center in your stomach and The zinc and the egcg will get rid of iron which causes the copper to want to detox which causes the zinc to be able to finally Be led into the storage site so you you're dictating this process with the three and you need to calibrate the three so it's not like I said some people might initially need less zinc or more zinc and vice versa and

01:37:01

But eventually, we all work towards a very similar ratio that works for everybody. Because like I said, EGCG chelates the same amount of iron in anybody, usually. I mean, that's the theory. I don't know that for sure, but I'm pretty confident that it does.

01:37:16

Um, whether it pulls that iron out from other places in the body, that's what's different is where our iron is in the body, but it will pull it out just the same. The B6 will pull out anything that doesn't belong and pull it into the bloodstream and by, and the chelators will chelate it out. The zinc will replace exactly what you pulled out and it will make a certain amount of room for zinc. So it's pretty universal. The, and, and,

01:37:39

Once you've tried this a couple times and calibrated just right, the standard dosage should work just fine. You may need to just naturally take a little bit more molybdenum, for example, or a little bit less EGCG, but if you go too far low on anything, you'll start to get symptoms after two doses. In an ideal world, you'd meet all of your nutritional needs in the form of vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, and more from the foods you eat.

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01:39:01

So as you just said, there's three different ways it could need adjusting. Could I read these out for people? Now, we're not going to give people the exact recipe to do this, by the way. First of all, we're not encouraging anyone. We're just kind of reporting. But if you would like to find out, I'll make sure I put a link in the description to a forum where this is posted right at the beginning. But I'm just going to reference this section I'm reading here. So this is your symptom checker.

01:39:28

So number one, it says pale lips, itchy legs, anger, nausea, greasy, thinning hair, left side pain, cold, clammy hands. This means you need more molybdenum. Your copper is being forced out without enough uric acid outside your kidneys. Now, I just gave that example of, you know, how my wife, um,

01:39:48

She seems to need a lot of molybdenum because even though in that case she couldn't feel anything and we did the uric acid test, when I read the list to her, she's like, actually, I did have left side pain earlier for a couple of hours when she forgot about it. So it's interesting. Obviously, with this list, I'm assuming people don't need to have all of those symptoms. It's just…

01:40:07

Like some of them or any of them would indicate it. Is that correct? Yeah. So, I mean, like the left side pain is when it's like more severe, like anger is when it's more severe. But the pale lips and like the anxiety and cold and clammy hands is almost always a thing. So the emotional statuses are very, very useful helpers in the symptom checker.

01:40:30

Yeah, okay, but let's do that next. So that is assigning you more molybdenum. Number two, reddish lips, itchy feet, itchy rectum, reddish oily fingertips, depression, right side or lower stomach pain, near testes. Now that's for men. Is there a female equivalent to that? Female equivalent is just gut pain, like a general deep gut pain.

01:40:51

Okay. Acidic light diarrhea, joint pain in fingers, nausea, lower back pain, rashes, coppery taste in mouth,

01:40:59

center front hair receding or fitting fitting migraine so this means you need zinc you've too much iron with egcg and the body needs to replace those storage sites and then you're talking about taking zinc and molybdenum yeah i always recommend combining molybdenum with egcg or zinc if you ever take zinc or egcg because the the act of taking egcg or zinc causes a rise or forcing of copper to deplete

01:41:26

And so you want that surge of uric acid when you do that because the body doesn't store much molybdenum. And so it kind of either uses it all in one shot or it kind of sweats out pretty quickly. I've noticed if you take too much molybdenum, you'll see it sweat out your fingertips pretty quickly. How would you see that? Like a metallic-y look, like your sweat will have sort of like a sparkly look to it. You'll see some metals excrete if you take too much molybdenum at once.

01:41:51

God, I don't think I've that level of visual acuity that you do either. I don't think I'd be able to spot that. But okay, fair enough. Number three, headache, not migraine. I think you say migraine is number two. Yeah, right. Yeah. Migraines are if you have a migraine, do not take EGCG. By the way, that is a low biotin or low zinc or low molybdenum.

01:42:15

So headache, warm hands and feet, purple nail bed, bloated stomach, constipation, dark frothy diarrhea, coughing or wheezing, stomach pain either side but usually centered like you've eaten too much, hair oily and shiny, maybe itchy scalp, bleeding gums, dark stool, yellow eyes,

01:42:33

You have too much iron in the blood and copper can't excrete. You need more EGCG and then take EGCG and molybdenum. So those are the three options. Now, my question is, so this is what's happened to me. And I noticed, as you said, quite a few people also who are part of the experiment are the same. Like I never get number three symptoms. I only ever get number one and two. That means you're a little bit high on your EGCG and your standard dose and you might be a little low on your zinc dose.

01:42:59

And it's very common that people need to do both number three and number two because they're both high iron and low zinc. And so you kind of have to do both, but start with the EGCG because you need to make room for the zinc first. So I've already reduced it. Like I think I have, um, well, I guess I'm going to give figures then like six 60 EGCG and then a hundred milligrams of zinc. Uh,

01:43:21

So would you advise even more of a ratio then? Well, so if you're taking 100 milligrams of zinc, 660 milligrams of EGCG might eventually reveal itself to be a little low on the EGCG side. We're finding that

01:43:36

100 milligrams of zinc usually causes a need for around 750 milligrams based on everyone's feedback, maybe a little bit more, maybe a little bit less. My dad, for example, tried the formula with very low dosages and it made his iron levels go through the roof is what I suspect. We started getting those headaches. But I never have any of those symptoms. Here's something I wanted to run by you because as you said, women are more likely to have lower levels of iron, right? I would say it would be logical considering they menstruate when we don't.

01:44:04

But how about this? So I was a vegetarian my whole life between and a vegan for a bunch of it between zero and 35 years old. So I never had less iron than than than others, I would say. So that's probably why the lower EGCG might work for you.

01:44:20

Yeah, so I'm a bit of an unusual case in that regard. But again, not, you know, the only one, I guess there's quite a few people in the health world who have spent a long time without eating meat. And as you say, the non meat sources of iron are often less well absorbed. I would bet that if you were to take the formula without EGCG, like a couple times, you would start getting those headaches. I've done that. And I did not. Well, that's interesting.

01:44:45

yeah i really tried it it just seems like and also i don't get nauseous with uh you know the zinc so you must you really must have lower iron than more people in the vegetarian diet makes total sense but um i would just be very mindful of number three symptoms if you do continue to try that um but uh yeah i mean if it's if it's not hurting you now as long as you're taking everything else in the formula just right i mean

01:45:13

I think it will eventually, but… No, I'm not saying you're wrong, but this is my question. I'd like to follow your theory. If I never get any of the signs of excess iron and I only get the signs that you ascribe to excess copper, you know, how far do you take the calibration? I guess that's the question. Well, so you'll know. So those calibrations are there also for taking too much EGCG. So you'll get the number two and number one from taking too much EGCG is what's causing that.

01:45:41

Sure, but what I'm saying is how low, if you just carry on getting them no matter how little EGCG you take, how low do you go? I mean, you could take it as many times as you want until you start getting symptoms, I guess. So just take it without EGCG until you finally get number three symptoms.

01:45:58

I'm not saying you should do that. I'm saying you can do that. I'm saying what would you do? I've done that before. If I'm not getting any symptoms, I'll go without the EGCG a couple of times, but I only do it maybe once or twice because then the EGCG deficiency symptoms start arising and I get the constipation and all that.

01:46:17

I'm pretty confident that after two or three dosages without EGCG on the full protocol, even if you don't consume a lot of iron you think, I do believe you will get those symptoms.

01:46:30

I also had pretty low levels of ferritin every time I tested, which is supposed to be the measure of iron stores. So yeah, I guess I'm a bit of an exception among men. But as you say, there are plenty of women in the health world who are both menstruating and have maybe been on a vegetarian, vegan diet for a long time. So I thought I'd ask that question for all of them as well as for me.

01:46:50

You'll know when you start to get number three symptoms. So if you don't get them forever, then you really don't have any low iron. But if you were truly, truly low, low iron in the body, your fingernails would be spooning, I think. Yeah, no, I don't have that. Yeah, I think, I don't know. I mean…

01:47:10

Could it be that, you know, this is where the question is as well. And I realize you don't have the answers to this. I'm just having a conversation. But could it be if the person doesn't have high levels of iron, it could be something else that's bound to the complex? I mean, it very well could be. I would suggest testing your ferritin if you can. Testing your ferritin without taking the EGCG portion of the formula. Take it a few times and test your ferritin levels and see what happens.

01:47:33

My ferritin is actually being going up-ish recently because I've been eating red meat. But, you know, if I don't eat like red meat three times a day, it's pretty much below, you know, at the bottom of the reference range. I would definitely give that a shot then. I mean, try it like a week without it. If you start to, you know, get symptoms, obviously go on number three. But, you know, I would do that and test it out. Yeah.

01:47:58

Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, so that's a very niche case, though. What are the more common types of calibration you see? Is it usually more just fine-tuning? It's almost always low biotin or low molybdenum. Almost everyone assumes they think they know better and think there's no way I need this much biotin or there's no way I need this much molybdenum, and they're wrong every single time. And I don't blame them. I mean, that's a scary amount of it. And in normal cases, taking such large doses of anything would cause you to feel pretty terrible.

01:48:27

It's just after years and years of trial and error, I found out what the cycle of ingredients is to not make you feel terrible taking such high doses because I'm lazy and I don't want to wait 10 years. I'm impatient. I don't want to wait 10 years for results. I want it tomorrow.

01:48:44

So let's talk about those two then, as they're the most common need. So with biotin, we've already discussed that. Oh, I didn't say this though. So when I looked into it, I could see that, again, by any… I saw a bunch of people on YouTube and forums and stuff warning about the dangers of excess biotin. I found the arguments to be reasonably weak. But when I looked into any actually mainstream sources for this…

01:49:08

There's no known toxicity for biotin at any level. I mean, I've never experienced one unless I was already low on something else and it just aggravated that deficiency. Other than that, I've never actually experienced anything.

01:49:23

Well, I'm saying from a medical perspective, like, you know, it's never been found, right? And there are studies with MS where people are taking 300 milligrams a day for months on end without any of your other nutrients to balance them out. And they still didn't experience any negative side effects. So I agree with you. I think the biotin, the thing is pretty safe. The molybdenum, there are…

01:49:46

it's very, very small. There's a very small sample size, but there are a handful of, um, cases where people have taken too much molybdenum and hospitalized themselves, made themselves ill. So that's something, right. Maybe you're one of the ones I read without realizing it. Um, so this is something that, uh, people should be, you know, cautious, a little bit more cautious about in their mind. Um, uh,

01:50:12

is from your understanding and then your experience as you said someone who's hospitalized themselves by getting it wrong is the uric acid the crucial thing that you're overdoing it with uric acid or it's absolutely crucial like this this molybdenum without it you will not it will not work it won't and you'll feel terrible um but here's the cool thing i forgot to but what i'm saying sorry just to clarify the question what i'm saying is if someone is taking loads of molybdenum

01:50:39

in your understanding, are they fine so long as they don't, their uric acid doesn't go too high or is there other reasons why it could be a problem to overdo it with molybdenum? If you're overdoing it without everything else, like I said, rather than causing something, you're draining something else and eventually molybdenum will drain your zinc to low, low levels and

01:51:00

It will drain like your blood zinc, you know, it'll drain all of your blood nutrients really quickly. The reason why it works with this formula is because your stomach has a constant refill supply of these nutrients as molybdenum is draining them.

01:51:14

to produce that uric acid and do what it needs to do. So that's why a lot of people really hurt themselves with just even the smallest amount of molybdenum is because they don't have those other nutrients in the blood to keep the balance. And so it kind of causes an extreme deficiency in other things when taken on its own.

01:51:32

And it will drain the copper excessively as well? Yeah, it will drain blood copper that's free. It won't drain what I call bound copper to iron. It won't drain tissue copper. But if it's in the blood circulating, it will drain it.

01:51:46

And so you said earlier in the conversation, maybe when we hadn't explained the formula properly yet, that in your view, although it's ideal to have them balanced, it's worse to have excess iron and excess copper, right? Yes. And so it's always good if you're taking molybdenum, it's always good to have both zinc and EGCG on hand.

01:52:07

Because the smallest amount of molybdenum can deplete enough copper to where you now went from high copper balance to now high iron balance. And it's very quickly, usually. Your case interests me, but the vegetarian story from childhood makes sense. So not a surprise there. Yeah.

01:52:25

Yeah. And I don't think foods is fortified with iron in this country as it is in yours. So I think that makes a difference as well. I think it's in breakfast cereals, but it's not like commonly added to grains like it is over there. I would like to mention a very important point of how I figured this out is because we're dealing with pure nutrients.

01:52:45

I was able to determine whether or not I needed them by the way they interacted on my tongue. If you put a nutrient on your tongue and you need it, it'll taste almost sweet and your tongue will almost autonomously flip the pill to your back of your throat. The capsules usually have enough residue of this nutrient that your tongue can pick up on it.

01:53:02

And you might think that's crazy. Well, when you try this formula, they'll see what I mean. There's plenty of people on the forum that have agreed with me that if you try to take something, when you don't need it, your gag reflex will react violently. For example, if you're low iron and you try to take EGCG, you will try, you will throw up and your, your, your gag reflex won't want you to swallow it. Versus if you're high iron and you try to take EGCG, it's like your tongue is like, yes, thank you. And flips it to the back of your throat, your throat without even flying. This is very true for vitamin C as well. Um,

01:53:29

But vitamin C is like an acid, right? It's very sour always. When you need it, your body doesn't recognize the sourness. It recognizes the sweetness of it.

01:53:41

Really? Oh, interesting. Okay, well, then I never need vitamin C then. And I certainly never need EGCG. It's always seems absolutely disgusting to me. Yes, we'll need them eventually. This body drains it pretty quickly. But yes, if you're someone who is sensitive to C, like I actually am very sensitive to C. So I can go from really not needing it at all to needing it very quickly because the smallest amount of C affects me more. And the reason why is because I took copper chelators back in the day.

01:54:09

And what that did was bind to my copper to make C work better, which is bad because if C works too well, it pulls that copper out, but it leaves the iron and it leaves you in a weird state of hemoglobin, like iron overload symptoms, because it's what it's the copper that prevents iron overload in a way. I don't know if it's because of the binding mechanism, a suppression mechanism or what, but when you go low copper and you iron,

01:54:32

isn't pulled out with that, you get these crazy iron overload symptoms like constipation, head fog, like you can't think straight. It's crazy. So I don't recommend copper chelators first and foremost. And vitamin C has could have the same effect on you as it does on me where it works too well. So you just need a smaller amount of it. And this would also explain why some people I did an episode a little while ago about a

01:54:56

with Dr. Smith about, and one of the main, I wanted to hear his view on copper because he basically had a view similar to yours as to how toxic it was. And I got a lot of comments underneath from people saying, the more copper I take, the better I feel. This is nonsense. All the rest of it. And that's probably true for some people because they're so iron toxic. You do need copper to balance that, but eventually the copper will outweigh the iron and they'll go anemic and then they start taking iron supplements and then they need copper supplements. It's an endless cycle until your zinc is eventually dwindled away to nothing. Yeah.

01:55:26

That's your theory. I wanted to get that out of you, so I'm glad you just said that. You succinctly summed it up there. Yeah, it's very interesting. Thank you. And I wanted to, because you talked a few times about how the emotions are a good way to calibrate. I just wanted to read those out as well. And I'm reading these sections out for people because they might have an experience just like me where they're, oh, wait a minute, that's familiar. Oh, and I just want to say, actually, sorry, just about this tasting thing first as well. I've made it sound like my wife is not very, like,

01:55:53

aware but it's not true it's like I think with symptoms maybe she's kind of trained herself not to kind of you know complain about stuff because she had such a history of illness when she was young but in terms of the taste thing she absolutely could relate to that like the b6 to me always has a very unpleasant metallic taste even before I heard of your formula I've often tried stuff like you have and it's always seemed like actually kind of a chemical bleachy taste

01:56:15

But my wife was experiencing, I can't remember what it was, a couple of the B6 deficiency symptoms. So I was like, oh, just try it. And she was like, oh, that tastes nice.

01:56:24

And I was like, really? I can't imagine anyone feeling that way about B6. It's very quick how it can go from tasting terrible to tasting good when you take something else that you needed first. So if you need molybdenum, but you have too much iron first, molybdenum won't taste very good. It'll make you gag. But you take EGCG, suddenly molybdenum will go down very easily. Hmm.

01:56:48

Yeah, very, very interesting. And when I first started taking the molybdenum, I have a liquid version and it did taste kind of unpleasant and metallic. And then after a little while when I had it, it tasted good. And I would say my wife, Hannah, like a couple of days later, she was feeling off again. I was like, well, do you want to try a little bit of B6 again? She did. And she's like, oh, no, it's like she didn't like it. So just anecdotal, I know. But this is definitely something to try. And this is an alternative. You know, it took a lot.

01:57:13

on here, Jacob, about the value of testing things and not guessing, which I think is a good thing because a lot of people take something just because someone told them to, which I think is the worst reason to take something. But I do, I think what you're talking about, like putting things in your tongue and seeing how it tastes, is a form of testing. And in fact, it may be more easily available to people. It's the only reason I was able to figure this out is because I was able to do that test. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's a way of testing. It's very interesting, as you just said, the way that

01:57:43

things, the way that they taste and the way that your body reacts to them changes. And our skeptics will say, you know, there's other reasons for that. But as you just said, the fact that the same compound one day can be like, and the next day is like, you know, gag reflex, like your body's trying to tell you something that that's not a coincidence.

01:58:03

um so i think that's very valid to anything other than pure nutrients though if you obviously chemicals can taste great but they're not good for you at all this is just a purely nutrient pure nutrient uh test um yeah obviously msg works just the same as any nutrient does with this taste test yeah i didn't realize that that that you felt that way because to me it was just horrible and i was like i just assume that's because it is a herb that's you know bitter but okay um

01:58:32

So let's, so yes, obviously MSG, all these kinds of things, they taste good because they're designed to, that's, that's not the same. Okay. Let's talk about the emotions for a second. So you, you know, we talked about physical symptoms. Let's just do emotional symptoms for a sec. So you list depression could be low B6 or zinc. Is that correct? Yeah. And it's actually a pretty quick fix when you figure out which one it is and take it. So yeah, it depends on what you do.

01:58:59

And should a person just take it or is this only within the realm of if they've already just done one of your doses? Well, so I wouldn't recommend just taking a handful of zinc or EGCG, obviously, if you're depressed. But when you do take this protocol and you experience more depression than normal or more aggression than normal, that's what I'm referring to when I say emotional status and the symptoms are.

01:59:23

Now, I would say if you're feeling depressed, you probably Lose Ink or B6, but I wouldn't suggest taking B6 or Zinc on its own. I would suggest it with this formula. Okay.

01:59:32

but someone who is very experimental, they could always consider it. Um, okay. So anxiety, you've got low biotin or molybdenum. Uh, is there like a, what's the word? Is there a reason why those two specifically, or is that just what you found with experimentation? The reason I say those two is because, well, a, every time I've been overly anxious, it's always been those two. And B because there's plenty of everything else in the formula aside from, um,

02:00:00

Anything that would cause anxiety from being too low, there's plenty of in this formula. It's the biotin that I'm just simply not sure of. I use biotin as my first go-to if you're experiencing anxiety because everything else I know for a fact is in the right dosage. I'm purely guessing on the biotin because I take the pure form. I always take too much, so it's really hard for me to measure how much do we actually need.

02:00:23

I actually thought 100 might be too much at first, but it's clearly not enough because of all the anxiety people are getting. And fixing by taking more biotin. So anger, you've got low B5, C, or molybdenum. Yep, mostly molybdenum, but sometimes it's C, and if C and molybdenum don't fix the issue, then it's B5.

02:00:46

And so you've got molybdenum there for anxiety and anger. Is that because anxiety and anger are both symptoms of copper toxicity? I would say anger is a result of anxiety indirectly in a way because, I mean, you don't typically get angry if you're calm. I mean, I don't know how to say that properly. They're both a consequence of being in a sympathetic nervous system situation.

02:01:09

state absolutely yes whereas the other two you've listed there depression apathy that's more of a dorsal vagal shutdown state um so yeah that makes sense so in fact yeah i actually hadn't seen that connection before okay so overstimulated so things like anxiety and anger you've got molybdenum and then understimulated uh or shut down you've yeah low zinc um and so we've

02:01:31

Depression, you put low B6 or low zinc. And in the case of apathy, you put low EGCG or low zinc. What's the difference between depression and apathy? Depression is like, when I say depression, I mean like your brain's feeding you really sad things.

02:01:47

thoughts like your brain like for me when I was really low zinc I would be feeling really regretful of my past I would be really missing you know people I've lost in my life and it's a pretty sad story sure there's plenty to be sad about but it's like fueled times 10 when I'm low zinc versus when I'm low so sadness yes just a general sad like you don't want to continue anymore kind of like the worse you get I mean the lower zinc you go and balance the worse it gets but

02:02:13

And B6 is kind of the same, except it's not just depression. It's also kind of like uneasiness with low B6. Like you just feel generally like something bad, like paranoia almost. You feel generally like something bad is going to happen. You know, you don't know really what it is. That's low B6. Low zinc is purely just sadness, just pure sadness. Yeah.

02:02:38

And so the apathy, so that's more like, yeah, like I just don't care about anything. I'm not really sad, but I'm not happy. I just kind of feel like a ghost kind of thing. And so I just want to share a couple of benefits I've experienced so far very early in for me. Um,

02:02:56

So number one, I would say more mental clarity. One of the things people paying a lot of attention earlier to my test results, they might notice that my prolactin was pretty high. So I've had that tendency for a low time. Prolactin opposes dopamine. Dopamine is the main neurotransmitter that makes you focused and motivated and stuff.

02:03:15

And one of the ways that you lower prolactin is take B6. But as I said, I didn't want to do that. So interesting. I think that my dopamine is getting better and my prolactin is going lower. Didn't really show in that test result for various reasons. It was still a bit high, but I've had it twice the reference range. So it's still an improvement for me. And yeah,

02:03:39

And so what comes with that? So I think more energy, more motivation, more mental clarity. Another thing is I felt warmer, especially at night. And I've noticed that I don't, it's winter here and I don't have heating on in my bedroom. I've noticed, you know, I need less layers and I feel kind of warm in bed. So that's nice. It must be that your iron that was never able to be really utilized in your body is finally starting to really kick in. Maybe.

02:04:05

And, you know, I think I've looked kind of anemic most of my life. I think I have a reasonable hue now, but I used to always be accused of being pale. And I always sleep late as well. So people say that I was like a vampire because I was like really pale. Yeah.

02:04:17

You still look good to me. I mean, I don't know if you got makeup on, but I mean, you look, you look good. No, zero. No, I've been the better the last couple of days and I eat red meat three times a day as well. Right. So yeah, topping up the iron. Um, and yeah, definitely better though than I was 10 years ago in terms of, uh, you know, skin tone and yeah, stuff like that. Uh, but thank you. Um,

02:04:36

And then, yeah, sex drive has been very interesting. And that's probably related to dopamine as well, but I'm sure you'd say it's related to the zinc. One thing that I've had that I know the vast majority of men listening to this will call it a benefit, but I actually just find it annoying. No, me too. Because my sex drive has never been like, I don't know, that low. And I've never had ED or anything like that. But I…

02:05:06

Didn't usually wake up with nighttime erections. I didn't wake up in the morning with an erection. I was happy with that because normally when I wake up, I need to urinate.

02:05:14

And now every time I wake up and it's like, it's just annoying because it means I have to wait before I can tell people. It literally puts you in like a second puberty state. You know, you're, you're, you're, and I wouldn't be surprised if you start growing like I am. I mean, that gets just, it's that crazy. I'm already six foot three. So, um, it's interesting that the, you know, a lot of the research shows that actually the taller you are, the less long you live. I don't know if you've heard that before. Um, uh, it's actually, you know, they say women live longer than men. Um,

02:05:43

but if you control for height it's actually identical so it's just that women are on average shorter than men um yeah so it's it's you know there's theories about it but i guess it's uh getting the circulation to everything like the heart and everything has to work harder if the person's taller um but i know that there's definitely a privilege in being taller right people treat you better as you said you know you stand out more and uh i have

02:06:07

especially for men specifically, I think there's definitely a privilege. So I think it's well worth it. So if it does make you grow a couple of inches, in fact, I mentioned this to my wife and it's one of the reasons she wanted to try the formula. She's like, Oh, I'd like to be a couple of inches taller. And I said, I don't think it's going to happen overnight. Well, interesting thing is my girlfriend, um, we haven't really paid attention to her height as much cause she's, you know, she doesn't want to get taller, but, um, and she's, she's not even that tall. She's like five, six,

02:06:35

six, maybe five, five. Um, she, she, I believe is getting taller. Not maybe not as significantly as I am because she's losing like her clothes are fitting way better than they used to. She was pretty overweight when we started this. Like we're talking, we're, I mean, clinically obese and, and she's lost probably near a hundred pounds without really changing her lifestyle that much.

02:07:02

I think you might have buried the lead there. You should have mentioned at the beginning when we were talking about benefits. I think every woman, that's probably the most compelling benefit. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit. I never think of weight loss as something to advertise from this because you can lose weight from anything. I try not to

02:07:19

Anyway, yes. Well, most people really, really struggle to lose weight. And my personal theory about this is that there's a hormonal basis to it almost every time, which it seems doesn't really conflict with your theory because your theory is that there's a metal imbalance basis to the hormonal imbalance, correct? Yep. And she's lost all this weight. She's feeling better than ever. Yeah.

02:07:41

And I totally forgot where I was going with this point. Oh, sorry. Uh, well, we're talking about height originally. Remember she didn't want to gain two inches. Oh yeah. So, but her clothes fit so much better, but on the scale, she's not losing like lately. She hasn't been losing as much weight, uh,

02:07:59

But her clothes are slimming down significantly. So I'm theorizing that a, her muscular system is getting stronger, which is increasing weight that way. But also she is getting taller because while everyone else in this world seems to be getting shorter to me, she has been staying the relatively same height difference. So she's probably getting taller with me in some way. Yeah.

02:08:19

Do you work out in the gym? Cause I was going to ask this. Okay. Well, I was more asked, I was just wondering if your strength had gone up because I, I was sharing a theory about how, so in Chinese medicine, it's interesting. I did Chinese medicine first, like 15 years ago. And one of the things that they actually, a lot of their, what they call tonic herbs, which are like as close as you can get to universally beneficial are high, are high zinc. Whether it's Hoshi Wu, Hoshi,

02:08:48

um or whether it's polyrhachis ant so polyrhachis ant is a type of ant and i've seen wildly different um theories of this anything from like their 20 zinc to i don't know 0.05 there's a huge variance but the point is they're way way way higher zinc than human beings normally are and it's theorized that's one of the reasons why they're so strong um and honestly again it's anecdotal but i i

02:09:12

In my early days, I had a lot of bodybuilder, those kind of clients, and they loved polyracocin. That was one of their favorites, and they said, I can do more in the gym. I guess it's a very bioavailable form of zinc even compared to a supplement because it's a real animal that you're eating that's super high in it.

02:09:34

So I was wondering if you've noticed any strength increases as your whole goal has been topping your zinc cup. Well, so I'm not getting taller here. My whole bone structure, I feel built now. I feel strong as an ox. And it's reflected in my… I've done push-up counts just every once in a while just to see where I'm at. And you'd think I would be atrophying with all this lack of exercise I'm doing.

02:09:56

But my pushup count and smoking. Yes. And I, but my pushup count has increased, not decreased. I could only do at the beginning of this. And I used to work out pretty religiously, but I had stopped for years and years because I just couldn't go anymore because of the fatigue and the nausea that I would get.

02:10:11

And so when I started this formula back in 2022, correctly, 2021, correctly, late 2021 is when I got it down. I could maybe do 15, 20 pushups without getting exhausted. I can now do probably 35 to 40 and I'm heavier, not heavier, but like my upper body is more built now. So I'm pushing up more weight now.

02:10:30

but I'm also leaner. It's weird. I'm taller. I'm still 200 pounds. I was 200 pounds when I started, and I'm still 200 pounds, but I'm two inches taller. Yeah, fair enough. Well, body composition obviously makes a big difference. I think my biggest regret for you in all this is that you didn't do more tracking of all this stuff from the start. I had no idea all this was going to happen. I thought I was just going to get a little bit more mentally clear. I had no idea I was going to turn into Captain America here. Jeez. Yeah.

02:10:58

Yeah, it's often the case. I wish I'd done more tracking of my own stuff as well. That's why I started a few years ago. But, you know, I wish I had my test results from 15 years ago, 20 years ago. But anyway. Okay, well, look, I think we've already gone over the time that I…

02:11:13

asked you to do so I really appreciate it is there anything you want to final thoughts that you want to leave people with before you finish remember you know as we've stated many times this is theory this is my own experience based on what I've experienced with both myself and several participants in person and also online but again this is this is not going to be supported by any doctor and I definitely not going to suggest that you ignore your doctor's advice if he tells you something otherwise I'm not going to suggest anything

02:11:40

Anybody do anything that they're not comfortable with. However, I will say that these nutrients are not foreign to the body. The body knows exactly what to do with them. If you do have a bad reaction, the worst I've seen from anyone taking this standard protocol is they just simply threw up. That's the worst I've seen. They threw up and it was done.

02:12:00

If they deviated from the protocol, took half a dosage and didn't take enough biotin or whatever, you might start experiencing some bad symptoms. So again, if you're going to do it, remember it is your choice and that it is theory and this is still in its infancy. I just posted this back November last year. I've been doing this for three years. I've been getting better and better. I'm not worried about the effects it's going to have on anyone if you do it correctly.

02:12:29

I am worried that you might get the wrong brand of something or you might not take enough biotin. So please follow the protocol if you do it on the forum to a tee. Make sure you monitor those calibration techniques as well.

02:12:45

And I'll address this when I do film a brief intro for this episode. But, you know, you're doing this anonymously. You're certainly not taking any responsibility, but you're also not asking for anything. If I am going to make money on this, it'll be in a book I write about the story. And you guys can support me that way if you want to. But do please. I will not take payments for consults. I will happily help you if you message me because this is my baby. I want to make sure that anybody that tries my baby is safe.

02:13:10

is feeling good on it. And I don't, I, I really don't want to see anyone hurt from this. So if you have issues, please post on the forum. It's a two $5 fee or something like that a month, just pay the fee. And I don't make money from that. It's for someone else. This is someone else started this forum for me. I'm just given a free account to post on it. Okay. And we'll provide a link to that. And if anyone wants to share their experience of you, you're also on Twitter, right? Should I share the Twitter handle with people? Yep.

02:13:39

Okay, fantastic. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate your time. I appreciate you sharing this. It's been great. Honestly, like I said, this is surreal for me. This is very crazy to have anybody listen to me. I've been theorizing this for years and years and years, and I've had success for the last three. And I honestly thought I would die. Well, I didn't think I would die anymore. I thought I would live forever with this information while everyone else dies around me.

02:14:04

And I want to clarify my position. I don't know if you're right about a lot of these things. The very least that I've learned is I could definitely happily have more biotin and my body seems to enjoy it. I could definitely happily have more molybdenum and my body seems to enjoy it. And so far, um,

02:14:23

The positives definitely outweigh the negatives of having the whole thing and I'll carry on trying it and see what happens and I'll I'll let people know how it goes With follow-up you said, you know Maybe we'll do a follow-up in six months or something when we've all been doing it a while Months is where you really at least for me and my girlfriend and for this guy other guy his name's Arnold on the forum He was my one of my first random participants. It takes about three to six months to start really seeing the transformation aspect and

02:14:51

Initially, you might feel a little bit better in your head. You might digest things a little bit better. You might have a little more energy if you do it right. But after six months, you'll begin to notice facial construct changes. It's crazy. So, yeah, just look forward to that. Awesome. Maybe I have a stronger jaw. Yeah, me too.

02:15:13

If the hair grows back in my head, I think then you'll definitely get a big fault. Well, I was going to say you'll get a lot more people paying attention if over the months it starts growing back a little bit. Awesome. All right. Thank you, Jacob. I appreciate it. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Take care.

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主持人欧文・罗宾逊表明本期节目将呈现一场特别的访谈 —— 受访者是首次接受采访的雅各布。

欧文先分享了一段令他印象深刻的播客内容：著名音乐制作人里克・鲁宾主持了安德鲁・胡伯曼与神经外科医生杰克・克鲁斯的辩论。克鲁斯医生在光线、瘦素对健康的影响领域有开创性研究，他认为该领域至关重要。辩论中，克鲁斯询问胡伯曼，其导师认为现代医学知识的准确率有多高。胡伯曼坦言，导师认为约 50% 的现代医学认知是不准确的，这一数字令人震惊。若此比例成立，意味着一些嘉宾提出的 “部分营养素并非必需” 的观点可能是正确的。而克鲁斯则称 99.9% 的现代医学认知不准确，欧文认为这一说法或许是夸张的修辞，他个人更倾向于 50% 的准确率。

欧文表示，自己对替代理论持开放态度，且不看重提出者的资质，更关注理论是否合理、是否有研究支撑、是否经过实践检验。他指出，许多医学突破最初都源于自我实验。例如，澳大利亚医生巴里・马歇尔认为胃溃疡由幽门螺杆菌引起，而当时主流观点认为是压力或特定食物导致。为证明理论，他喝下含幽门螺杆菌的混合物，患上胃溃疡后服用抗生素康复，这彻底改变了医学界的认知。还有 19 世纪末的奥古斯特・保罗・冯・瓦塞尔曼，他提出抗毒素可治疗白喉，便给自己注射白喉毒素，再注射抗毒素以验证效果。

欧文解释，提及这些案例是因为本期嘉宾雅各布的知识完全来自自我实验。

雅各布曾认为缺锌是自身健康问题的根源，没有遵循传统思路，而是通过实验锌及其他物质试图解决健康问题，过程中先使情况恶化，后逐渐好转。

雅各布较为神秘，接受采访时未开摄像头，仅透露名为雅各布，网名 “真正的海森堡”。欧文在常逛的 “低毒论坛” 发现，一群人跟随雅各布进行实验，多数人反馈有效。

雅各布并非典型的健康领域人士：无专业资质，因匿名而不求名；不收费、不销售产品，其方案涉及的维生素和矿物质也不指定购买渠道，故不求利；且生活习惯极不健康 —— 终日食用油炸食品、喝汽水、吸烟，却声称过去三年，自己、女友、家人及参与实验者的健康都得到彻底改善，因此将该方案称为 “圣杯”。

欧文坦言，有人会质疑为何听从匿名人士的建议，他在访谈中会解释原因：雅各布的观点中有一些从未听闻的内容，且方案据称见效快、理论有趣，看起来相对安全，故决定尝试。不过，欧文强调这与以往不同，此次在实验初期就分享，尚未得出结论，且已咨询医生米里亚姆，对方表示方案中的成分无明显问题，但仍需谨慎。欧文自己从 1/4 剂量开始尝试，确认无虞后增至半剂量，目前不做推荐，仅为分享以满足听众的好奇心。他还提到，自我实验有好有坏，但此次方案相比历史上的一些实验更为安全，最后邀请听众在评论区分享看法。

欧文介绍受访者为网名 “真正的海森堡” 的雅各布，其开发的配方被称为 “圣杯”，简称 “HG7”，由七种成分组成。欧文表示自己被该方案吸引，且许多常看节目的观众参与实验后反馈积极，故邀请雅各布分享自身经历、配方研发过程、效果及相关问题，并对雅各布的参与表示感谢。

雅各布称，这是他首次接受采访，多年来向家人朋友分享自己的理论却无人理会，大家都对他的 “不老泉理论” 嗤之以鼻。他坦言，自己学历不高、事业平平，人们通常只相信成功人士，这种怀疑是合理的，但此处的 “成功” 应指成功改善自身状况 —— 就像欧文 15 年前因健康好转而开始教学一样，雅各布也因身边人看到其变化并前来咨询，才逐渐有更多人参与实验。

雅各布从青少年时期开始接触补剂。当时哥哥从事业余健美，使用蛋白粉，雅各布因崇拜哥哥也随之尝试。高中时，他为追求健美的身材研究睾酮补剂，却发现服用后脱发加剧。他进而探究睾酮转化为双氢睾酮（DHT）导致脱发的原因，尝试用锯棕榈预防，短期有效后失效，最终将目光投向锌 —— 锌是必需营养素，而锯棕榈等草药并非必需，他希望找到脱发的核心原因。

雅各布的哥哥和弟弟都有脱发问题，他决心阻止自身脱发，便尝试锌、生物素等物质，成功阻止了脱发。但一段时间后，服用锌会引发呕吐，且停药后身体状态和情绪迅速恶化，年龄增长后情况愈发严重。20 或 21 岁时，他在自然疗法医生处做激素检测，发现雌二醇（一种雌激素代谢产物）水平堪比老年人，睾酮水平虽高，但二者处于所谓的 “平衡” 状态。这让他产生疑问：锌本应抑制芳香化酶活性以减少雌激素生成，为何自己雌激素仍过高？

雅各布查阅资料发现，铁、铜与锌会竞争吸收，他由此推测铁和铜可能会占据锌的储存位点，这便是他理论的开端。17 岁至 20 出头，他不断验证该理论：服用铜平衡锌，初期有效，随后健康状况恶化。他意识到铜是问题所在，却不知如何排出，进而开始研究各种营养补剂理论，多年来每日进行实验，虽过程有误，但不断记录身体反应。

他曾大量服用 B1、B2、B3 等 B 族维生素（因水溶性维生素不易储存，风险低于矿物质），发现不同 B 族维生素会相互消耗，例如 B6 会消耗生物素，VC 会消耗钼。他通过调整剂量，试图找到营养素相互消耗的完整循环，钼是最后一个被发现的关键成分。

发现钼之前，雅各布经历了失业、失恋的双重打击，陷入绝望的他大量服用补剂，某天突然想起曾读过 “钼可帮助排出铜” 的文章（此前他认为只需锌这一种矿物质，未重视该信息）。他尝试添加钼，初期感觉良好，但因过量服用且未搭配其他物质，导致肾脏出血住院。住院期间，他推测钼有效但因剂量过大导致其他营养素快速消耗，出院后便将所有相关物质一同服用，身体状态发生巨变 —— 从情绪失控、接近双相障碍，到消化问题（如厕出血、每日呕吐、痔疮）、缺乏精神清晰度、甚至产生轻生念头等状况，均得到改善。之后他花时间校准剂量，当某种成分消耗过多导致效果下降时，便增加该成分剂量。如今，他与女友已按校准后的方案服用两年，健康持续改善。

欧文表示，雅各布的经历中有两点值得关注：一是其对身体反应的敏锐感知力，二是其坚持实验的决心 —— 多数人若因实验患病便会停止。欧文分享自身经历：曾因实验多次进急诊，还曾被医生告知需脚部手术否则无法行走，他拒绝手术后，脚部几周内自行痊愈，这让他对权威说法保持怀疑。但他也承认，网络上关于营养素的信息对自己有帮助，只是缺乏与雅各布方案完全匹配的内容 —— 虽有类似的铜排毒方案，但生物素等成分的剂量不足。

欧文认为，雅各布信任自身身体感受、不盲从权威的态度并非坏事，反而说明他未陷入 “催眠状态”。多数人会因权威影响，忽视自身的视觉、听觉、身体感受及直觉，这与教育体系有关 —— 学校要求学生为所有观点寻找依据，不鼓励创新，大学更是培养出只会查找资料、不敢提出原创观点的 “工具人”。

雅各布表示，自己直到方案见效才在网上分享，理论是基于自身及他人的有效体验逆向推导的。目前多数尝试者反馈有效，少数效果不佳者均存在未按完整方案服用（如少服生物素或钼）或自行减量的情况。他暂未详细说明剂量和机制，以免造成混淆。

欧文强调，雅各布的核心做法是倾听身体信号，他也鼓励所有人如此：不将手指刺痛等不适视为正常，而应记录为症状；以自身最佳状态为基准，偏离该状态的均视为异常。他认为，这样才能明确症状并找到解决方法 —— 就像雅各布因脱发查资料发现生物素有效，服用后感受皮肤舒缓、头发变浓密一样。

雅各布补充，训练自身感知力的方法是：在车内闭眼，或许播放背景音乐，专注于身体的电信号，便能清晰捕捉症状，进而轻松校准方案。他认为，一些从业数十年的身体治疗师能精准判断脊椎等部位的问题，正是因为感知力敏锐。

欧文提出，在进一步讨论前，应先介绍配方的具体成分及雅各布和他人获得的效果。

雅各布表示，最显著的效果发生在其妹妹身上：妹妹曾患严重双相障碍，说话颠三倒四、语无伦次，甚至声称政客要害她，情绪极易失控。雅各布决心解决该问题，在妹妹一年中难得的清醒期，给她服用校准后的方案。服药第一天，妹妹虽仍有轻微躁狂（表现为极度热情兴奋），但偏执症状完全消失。如今妹妹服用方案近一年，六个月前开始明显察觉躁狂症状基本消失，抑郁缓解，不再有轻生念头，还表示 “看到了生活的希望”。

雅各布自身在 2021 年底精神状态濒临崩溃，曾因情绪失控丢了工作，服用方案后，情绪管理能力大幅提升 —— 愤怒时额外服用钼即可缓解，悲伤时补锌或 B6 便能改善（注：此为个人经验，非科学结论）。此外，他的消化能力改善，即便饮食不健康（用油炸锅做薯条、大量喝汽水），肾脏功能仍在好转，尿液从深棕色变为清澈；虽大量吸烟，但身体状态持续变好；身体成分改善，33 岁时比 30 岁增高 2 英寸，接近 1 米 88；自我感觉思维能力提升，工作效率提高，情绪更积极，性欲旺盛。

雅各布的女友服用方案后，鼻腔气道问题解决，能够正常呼吸，哮喘和粉尘过敏症状消失（此前接触粉尘便会过敏发炎，如今在布满灰尘的公寓也几乎不打喷嚏）。两人的对比照片显示，尽管雅各布生活习惯不健康，但两人均更显健康。雅各布称，自己最低谷时因肾结石住院，肾脏严重受损，但更痛苦的是精神状态 —— 情绪在哭泣、尖叫、大笑间剧烈波动，若持续恶化，可能面临死亡或住进精神病院，正是这种绝望促使他找到解决方法。

欧文提出，传统医学认为精神问题需心理治疗，而雅各布似乎认为其根源是毒性物质。

雅各布表示认同，并开始阐述核心理论：他认为几乎所有人都存在不同程度的锌缺乏，只是症状显现较晚，如慢性疲劳、消化问题、脱发等。锌负责调节激素生成与平衡，若锌无法被受体正常吸收，仅能在血液中短暂发挥作用。锌的分子量小于铁，人体因进化过程中（狩猎时代）出血频繁、缺铁，会将铁视为稀有物质。而工业化时代人们活动量减少、出血减少，身体未适应这种变化，仍会储存铁 —— 为避免大量铁进入血液导致脱水死亡，身体会利用铜结合、氧化并储存铁，这种铁铜复合物会占据锌的受体位点。同时，锌易随汗液排出，身体便会用铁铜填补锌的空位。

欧文确认，主流科学认可 “锌比铁、铜更易随汗液排出”，但 “铁铜结合” 是雅各布的理论。

雅各布解释，该理论源于自身实验：服用已知的铁螯合剂 EGCG 后，铜中毒症状显现；若用钼、锌及 B 族维生素排铜却不服用 EGCG，铁中毒症状会出现。论坛中有用户佐证：服用低 EGCG 剂量的配方前、后两小时分别验血，铁含量显著上升，表明配方会使铁析出，但暂未找到铜析出的直接证据，不过结合逻辑可推断铜也在被排出。

欧文进而介绍配方的七种成分：绿茶提取物 EGCG、矿物质钼、矿物质锌、水溶性维生素 B5、B6、B7（生物素）以及VC，并询问雅各布这些成分如何解决铁铜占据锌受体的问题。

雅各布表示，理论上 B6 能将铁铜从受体位点带入血液 —— 他服用 B6 时会尝到金属味、感觉寒冷，仿佛血液中铜含量骤增，虽有文献部分支持，但更多基于自身感受。

欧文提出，人们可能担心配方中 B6 剂量过高，雅各布回应，配方中 B6 剂量与市面上一些 B 族复合维生素的每日剂量相当，并非极端。但确实有人担心高剂量 B6 引发神经病变，他自己曾经历过，这促使他发现生物素、B5 和VC 的重要性 —— 并非 B6 直接导致神经病变，而是 B6 会快速消耗生物素、VC 等其他营养素，若未及时补充，便会出现缺乏症状（如神经病变）。许多人单独使用高剂量 B6 失败，正是因为不知道需要同时大量补充生物素（远超每日推荐量的 20000%），他也是在经历肾结石、眼后疼痛、腿抽筋、脱发等问题后，大量服用生物素缓解症状，才发现这一关键。

欧文分享自身经历：他通过 NutraVal 检测营养状况，该检测涵盖多数 B 族维生素、VC、D、E 及铜、锌、镁等矿物质。他发现多数人至少缺乏几种 B 族维生素，主流认为是压力导致。他自己的检测显示，尽管服用大量 B 族维生素，B6 和生物素仍分别处于 8/10 和 9/10 的缺乏状态。B6 缺乏尚可理解 —— 因几年前出现过神经病变，他刻意避免高剂量 B6；但生物素缺乏令他困惑：生物素每日推荐量为 30 微克，食物中含量极低（牛肝每 100 克含 40-50 微克，鸡肝约 150 微克），他每日通过补剂摄入约 5000 微克（是推荐量的 167 倍），却仍严重缺乏，且伴有脱发症状。

雅各布称，生物素是配方中最关键的发现，多数现有方案生物素剂量不足。市面上的 B 族复合维生素生物素含量多为 500-1000 微克，少数补剂可达 10 毫克，曾有人在亚马逊上发现 100 毫克的补剂，但极为罕见。他最初将配方中生物素剂量定为 100 毫克，发现仍有人出现缺乏症状，便增至 200 毫克，多数人的问题得以解决。他认为生物素是配方中最安全的成分，自己曾服用大量纯生物素粉末，仅出现口感不佳、结块的情况，未产生其他严重副作用 —— 除非本身缺乏 B5 等其他成分，大量服用生物素才可能加剧不适。

欧文强调，200 毫克生物素是每日推荐量（30 微克）的近 6667 倍，他自己尝试高剂量生物素后感觉良好，但未达到 200 毫克。他认同雅各布的观点：单独服用配方中任何一种成分可能不适，遗漏任何一种也可能有问题，雅各布及其他实验者均有类似体验 —— 例如有人曾因服用 500 微克钼不适，按配方服用 3000 微克却无异常，且常需进一步加量。

雅各布解释，B5 的缺乏症状较难判断，因他通常会过量摄入 B5。回顾实验初期，他认为钼导致的 “皮肤电击感” 可能与 B5 缺乏有关 ——B5 缺乏还会引发失眠、头发油腻、深色腹泻等问题。B5 参与能量生产，缺乏时配方虽能排毒，但能量生成会受影响。B5 补剂常见剂量为 500 毫克，配方中所需剂量约为此剂量的一半，补充起来较为容易。

欧文询问生物素缺乏的症状。

雅各布表示，理论上生物素与组织中钙的代谢相关，他缺乏生物素时会出现严重腿足抽筋、毛囊堵塞感（似有金属脓液）、严重便秘等症状。此外，焦虑和噩梦也是典型症状 —— 缺乏生物素时，梦境会呈现最恐惧的场景。他认为，若频繁做噩梦，尝试高剂量生物素是相对安全的选择，但生物素的效果会受限，需搭配配方中其他成分，因身体对 B 族维生素的吸收存在上限，需消耗后才能继续发挥作用。他服用纯生物素粉末时发现，身体需要时粉末溶解迅速，无需时则会结块，这也是他判断自身是否缺乏生物素的方法之一。

欧文表示，自己服用纯生物素粉末时均能溶解，雅各布推测他可能需要更高剂量，且片剂难以达到所需剂量，纯粉末更为便捷。欧文提及，若后续深入研究，可能会在自己的商店中销售配方所需的精准剂量补剂，目前则继续讨论配方中的其他成分。

雅各布认为，B1、B2 等其他 B 族维生素在食物中含量较高（美国许多食品会强化这些成分），可能并非必需额外大量补充。欧文补充，英国仅在小麦中强化 B1（硫胺素），150 年前脚气病（B1 缺乏症）流行，促使政府强制强化。但他怀疑当时的脚气病可能是铁毒性导致，因铜铁毒性与 B1 缺乏均会引发蓝指甲症状。

欧文分享，自己严格按低剂量尝试配方后，停用 B 族复合维生素，再次检测时却未发现任何 B 族维生素缺乏 —— 这是他首次获得这样的检测结果。

雅各布推测，这是因为配方排出铁铜后，身体对 B 族维生素的消耗减少。过量的铜（一种肾上腺兴奋剂）会持续消耗 B 族维生素，而身体为避免 B 族维生素将过多铁带入血液引发毒性，会进入慢性疲劳状态，这是一种自保机制 —— 相比让血液中充满金属导致死亡，慢性疲劳是更轻微的后果。

欧文提出，人们通常认为的重金属是汞、铝、铅、镉等，而雅各布关注的是铜和铁。

雅各布表示，自己主要关注铁，铜虽为必需营养素，但人体实际含量远超认知，会储存在骨髓、睾丸、大脑等部位，干扰锌生成睾酮的过程。他认为，人类进化过程中曾是狩猎的原始生物，而如今因饮食、农业方式、含金属疫苗等因素，铜铁在体内蓄积，且现代社会避免出血，失去了自然排毒途径，导致人类逐渐 “女性化”—— 女性寿命更长可能与月经排出铁有关，但铜仍会蓄积，因此女性更易受情绪问题困扰，男性则更易疲劳。

雅各布解释，称铜 “女性化” 是因为铜会拮抗锌 —— 锌能抑制芳香化酶活性，减少睾酮向雌激素的转化，这是他从健美领域了解到的知识（如 ZMA 补剂因含锌而被视为睾酮助推剂）。

欧文补充，从炼金术角度，铜与代表女性原型的金星相关，与雅各布的理论形成呼应。

欧文分享自身检测数据：服用配方前，雌二醇水平为 76，34 天后降至个人历史最低；曾有严重铅中毒（2021 年检测值 27，参考范围 0-3），服用配方后降至 3.5。他提及 EGCG 可结合铅、镉等重金属，询问配方是否对其他重金属有效。雅各布表示，自己的研究聚焦铁、铜、锌，因三者共享储存位点和吸收机制，其他重金属问题可能会随这三种核心金属的平衡而间接改善，但这仍为理论推测。

雅各布介绍VC 的作用：理论上，VC 既是血液和组织的 “润滑剂”，也能动员、结合铜并将其推向排毒部位，但无法直接排出铜 —— 排出需依赖钼和 EGCG。他缺乏VC 时，会出现牙龈出血、皮肤和血液发酸、身体酸痛、血液停滞感等症状，服用后则感觉血液流动恢复，不适缓解。但过量服用纯VC 会引发肾脏、肠胃不适、眼后疼痛、牙齿受损等问题，他推测这是因为VC 强制排毒却未被平衡，导致骨骼和牙齿中的钙流失。搭配 B6 及其他 B 族维生素后，这些问题得以解决。他认为，VC 的作用类似机器的机油，缺乏则矿物质易在血液和关节中沉积，引发疼痛和肠胃问题。他服用的剂量约为 5000 毫克，这与莱纳斯・鲍林在 20 世纪 70 年代使用的高剂量类似，并非异常。部分人服用该剂量不适，可能是因为本身缺乏钼或生物素，VC 加剧了这种缺乏。

关于 EGCG，雅各布表示，作为绿茶中的抗氧化剂，其效果取决于标准化程度（他通常选择 45%-50% 标准化的产品），推荐 “生命延长” 品牌或亚马逊上的高浓度产品，不同品牌效果存在差异。EGCG 是 “沉默的铁螯合剂”，能穿过血脑屏障，直接螯合铁，但单独使用会导致被抑制的游离铜释放，且需 B 族维生素和VC 才能促使铜显现。他曾长期单独服用 EGCG，后服用用于排出铜的 α- 硫辛酸，导致铜大量析出，引发严重肾脏问题（肾结石），这才意识到 EGCG 需与配方中其他成分搭配使用，以确保铜随铁一同排出。

欧文补充，α- 硫辛酸因会将重金属从储存部位带入血液，常导致不适。他提及 DMSA，这是一种更强效的医用重金属螯合剂，可通过 “激发测试”（服用后收集尿液检测）暴露隐藏的金属毒性，建议雅各布尝试以验证铜蓄积情况。

雅各布表示，市面上有多种铜螯合剂和铁螯合剂，但单独使用会引发问题 —— 例如单独排铜会导致铁毒性，且缺乏游离铜会影响黑色素生成，导致白发；而铁过量时，铜的平衡作用也无法发挥。因此，必须按特定比例和顺序同时排出铁和铜，同时用 B 族维生素运输因排金属而释放的钙，使其进入骨骼、头发、皮肤等部位。他认为，体内铜含量略高于铁比铁含量过高更安全，因少量游离铜可参与能量生成，而铁过量则无法发挥作用。

雅各布介绍钼的作用：在 EGCG 螯合铁、B 族维生素动员金属后，铜会试图重新结合其他金属回到储存位点，此时需用锌填补空位，并通过钼促进尿酸生成 —— 尿酸能结合血液中的游离铜，使其随尿液排出。若铁含量超过铜，且未服用 EGCG，钼无法有效排铜，因铁分子过大难以通过尿液排出，身体会持续循环利用铁，直至 EGCG 结合铁使其无法循环。这一过程会提升锌的储存量，最终促使身体进入 DNA 修复状态，实现 “逆龄” 效果 —— 他的女友 30 岁时被人说比 20 岁时更年轻，便是例证。

欧文读取主流医学中铜中毒的症状，包括恶心、呕吐、腹泻等常规中毒症状，以及情绪波动、焦虑、严重时的精神病、肾损伤、免疫力下降、口中金属味、抑郁、易怒、认知障碍、疲劳等，指出这些与雅各布描述的症状一致。他还提及威尔逊病（严重铜中毒），并分享雅各布的 “社交实验”：

雅各布每六个月去一次绅士俱乐部，服用配方前无人理睬，服用后逐渐获得关注，甚至有舞者主动留联系方式，他认为这与面部骨骼变化（如下颌更清晰、头发变浓密、身高增加、肩膀变宽）有关，而女友则变得更女性化（臀部更丰满、面部更柔和、眼神恢复纯真）。

雅各布认为，铜中毒会让人变得 “疯狂、邪恶、自私”，而配方改善了这些特质，进而提升了自身的吸引力。

欧文分享，自己的尿酸水平长期偏低，医生认为无问题，但按雅各布的理论，这可能是铜过量消耗尿酸导致。他购买了家用尿酸检测仪（约 30 美元），发现服用配方后尿酸会从 200 左右升至 350，随后回落。他的妻子尿酸曾低于检测下限（180 以下），服用钼后不适缓解 —— 这说明对于感知力较弱的人，可通过检测尿酸辅助校准剂量。

雅各布表示，这与他的理论一致，且尿酸除与痛风相关外，也是重要的抗氧化剂。

雅各布解释，校准配方需考虑个体初始的铁铜平衡差异 —— 有人铁含量高，有人铜含量高，二者通常相互拮抗。标准剂量对多数人有效，但极端失衡者需调整：可能需减少 EGCG、增加钼，或增加 EGCG 和钼、减少锌。核心是校准锌、钼、EGCG 的比例，B 族维生素和VC 因水溶性，会按需使用，无需频繁调整。EGCG 螯合铁的量相对固定，差异在于铁在体内的分布，B6 会将所有多余金属带入血液，螯合剂负责排出，锌则填补空位。校准几次后，多数人可适应标准剂量，若某种成分不足，两天内便会出现症状。

欧文读取雅各布制定的 “症状检查表”，并结合自身及妻子的经历验证：

1. 需增加钼的症状：唇色苍白、腿痒、易怒、恶心、头发油腻脱落、左侧疼痛、手脚湿冷 —— 欧文的妻子曾出现左侧疼痛，符合该类症状。
2. 需增加锌的症状（男性：唇色发红、脚痒、肛门痒、指尖发红油腻、抑郁、右侧或下腹部疼痛、睾丸附近疼痛；女性：腹部深处疼痛；通用：酸性稀便、手指关节痛、恶心、腰痛、皮疹、口中铜味、前额脱发、偏头痛）—— 需同时补充钼，因服用锌和 EGCG 会促进铜排出，需钼辅助。
3. 需增加 EGCG 和钼的症状（铁过量）：头痛（非偏头痛）、手脚发热、指甲发紫、腹胀、便秘、深色泡沫便、咳嗽喘息、腹部（尤其中部）胀痛、头发油亮发痒、牙龈出血、黑便、眼黄 —— 偏头痛则可能是生物素、锌或钼缺乏导致，此时不应服用 EGCG。

欧文表示，自己从未出现铁过量症状，仅出现前两类症状.

雅各布推测这是因为他 EGCG 剂量偏高、锌剂量偏低，且许多人需同时调整锌和 EGCG 的剂量 —— 应先增加 EGCG 为锌 “腾出空间”。

欧文提及自己是 35 岁前一直是素食者（部分时间是严格素食者），植物性铁吸收率低，可能导致自身铁含量偏低，这与雅各布的推测一致。

雅各布建议，若停用 EGCG 后仍无铁过量症状，可能确实铁含量低，但需检测铁蛋白水平确认 —— 真正的铁缺乏会导致指甲凹陷，欧文无此症状，故可能处于 “临界状态”。

雅各布指出，最常见的校准需求是增加生物素和钼 —— 多数人因剂量远超常规认知而不敢足量服用，最终导致效果不佳。他坦言，如此高的剂量看似危险，但经过多年实验，他已找到成分间的平衡，可避免不适，且自己急于见效，不愿等待十年才看到结果。

欧文表示，主流医学认为生物素无毒性，有研究显示多发性硬化症患者每日服用 300 毫克生物素数月也无副作用，因此他认同生物素相对安全。但钼存在过量风险，有少数人因过量服用住院，雅各布承认自己便是其中之一。他解释，过量服用钼的危害并非来自钼本身，而是其会快速消耗锌等血液中的营养素，若有其他成分补充，则相对安全 —— 单独服用少量钼也可能引发严重缺乏症状，正是因为缺乏这种平衡。钼会排出游离的血液铜，无法排出与铁结合的铜或组织中的铜，且会快速改变铁铜平衡，因此需搭配锌和 EGCG。

雅各布分享一个重要发现：纯营养素在舌头上的味道可反映身体是否需要 —— 需要时味道偏甜，舌头会自动将药片推向后喉；不需要时则会引发强烈的呕吐反射。例如，铁含量低时服用 EGCG 会呕吐，含量高时则易于吞咽，VC 也是如此（需要时，酸味会消失，仅能尝到甜味）。

欧文的妻子也有类似体验：缺乏 B6 时，B6 的金属味会消失，变得 “好吃”，而不缺乏时则味道难闻。

雅各布认为，这是一种便捷的自我检测方法，且仅对纯营养素有效，人工添加剂（如味精）的 “美味” 与此无关。

关于情绪症状的校准，雅各布表示：抑郁可能是缺乏 B6 或锌 —— 缺乏 B6 会伴随莫名的不安和偏执，缺乏锌则是纯粹的悲伤和对过去的悔恨；焦虑可能是缺乏生物素或钼 —— 生物素需求量个体差异大，故优先尝试补充；愤怒可能是缺乏 B5、VC 或钼 —— 通常补充钼即可缓解，无效再尝试VC 和 B5。他认为，焦虑和愤怒均与交感神经兴奋有关，抑郁和冷漠则与迷走神经抑制有关，冷漠的核心是缺乏 EGCG 或锌 —— 冷漠表现为 “对一切无动于衷”，与抑郁的 “悲伤” 不同。

欧文分享自身服用配方初期的效果：精神清晰度提升（推测与催乳素降低、多巴胺升高有关，此前催乳素曾达参考值的两倍）、夜间体温升高（冬季卧室无暖气时也无需多穿衣物）、肤色改善（不再苍白）、性欲增强（晨勃频繁，虽觉不便，但视为积极信号）。雅各布认为，这可能是铁开始被有效利用的表现。

欧文提及，研究显示身高与寿命负相关（控制身高后，男女寿命无差异），但也承认身高带来的社会优势。他的妻子希望通过配方增高，雅各布则表示，自己的女友体重下降近 100 磅（从临床肥胖到正常），衣服尺寸变小但体重未大幅下降，推测与肌肉量增加和身高轻微增长有关。

欧文分享中医理论：许多 “滋补草药”（如女贞子、拟黑多刺蚁）锌含量极高，推测这是其 “普适性益处” 的原因，且健身客户反馈服用拟黑多刺蚁后力量提升。他询问雅各布是否有类似体验。

雅各布表示，自己停止健身多年，服用配方后俯卧撑数量从 15-20 个增至 35-40 个，且身体更健壮 —— 体重维持 200 磅，但身高增加 2 英寸，体脂率下降。他坦言，因最初未预料到效果如此显著，未做详细记录，这是一大遗憾。

雅各布强调，其理论和方案基于自身及论坛参与者的体验，无医生背书，不建议忽视医嘱。但配方中的营养素均为人体固有成分，身体知道如何处理。按标准剂量服用，最严重的不良反应仅为呕吐；若擅自调整剂量或遗漏成分，则可能出现不适。该方案仍处于初期阶段（2022 年 11 月才在网上分享），他自己已服用三年，健康持续改善。他担心的是使用者购买错误品牌的补剂或生物素剂量不足，故建议严格按论坛上的方案执行，并关注校准方法。

雅各布表示，自己匿名并非逃避责任，也未从中获利 —— 未来可能会写书分享经历，读者可通过购书支持他，他不收取咨询费，会在论坛免费解答问题。论坛的月费（约 2-5 美元）归创建者所有，他仅拥有免费账号。

欧文表示，自己不确定雅各布的理论是否完全正确，但通过尝试确认身体能接受更高剂量的生物素和钼，且目前收益大于风险，会继续实验并在六个月后跟进分享。

雅各布补充，配方的 “改造效果” 通常在 3-6 个月后显现，初期可能仅感觉精神和消化略有改善。

欧文开玩笑称，若配方能让自己的头发再生，会获得更多关注，雅各布表示认同，访谈在感谢与道别中结束。

雅各布的核心理论 “铁铜结合形成复合物占据锌受体位点导致锌缺乏”，存在关键漏洞：主流营养学仅证实铁、铜、锌存在 “吸收竞争”（即同一转运体介导三种矿物质的吸收，一种过量会抑制另外两种的吸收），但从未发现 “铁与铜直接结合形成稳定复合物并特异性占据锌受体” 的机制。他的理论仅基于个人实验中 “服用 EGCG（铁螯合剂）后铜中毒症状显现”“服用钼（排铜剂）后铁中毒症状显现” 的现象，未通过体外实验（如细胞培养、分子结合检测）或大规模人体检测（如组织活检、金属分布成像）验证 “铁铜复合物” 的存在及结构。

此外，他将 “锌缺乏” 归因于 “铁铜占位”，却忽视了锌缺乏的常见诱因 —— 如饮食摄入不足（植物性食物中锌吸收率低）、慢性腹泻导致锌流失、某些疾病（如肾病）影响锌代谢等。其理论将复杂的营养素平衡问题简化为 “铁铜 - 锌拮抗”，缺乏对代谢网络的整体考量。

雅各布过度强调铜、铁的 “毒性”，却弱化了二者的必需性：铜是酪氨酸酶（合成黑色素）、超氧化物歧化酶（抗氧化）、细胞色素氧化酶（能量代谢）的关键成分，成人每日推荐摄入量为 900 微克；铁是血红蛋白（运输氧气）、肌红蛋白（储存氧气）、细胞色素 P450（解毒）的核心组成，成人男性每日推荐摄入量为 8 毫克，女性为 18 毫克。他的理论未区分 “生理必需量” 与 “过量毒性” 的界限，将 “铜铁蓄积” 视为普遍现象，却未解释为何多数健康人群不会出现类似症状 —— 实际上，健康人体存在精密的金属调节机制（如肝脏合成铜蓝蛋白运输铜、铁蛋白储存铁），仅在调节机制受损（如基因突变、长期大量摄入含金属补剂 / 污染物）时才会出现蓄积。

配方中生物素剂量达 200 毫克 / 天，是成人每日推荐摄入量（30 微克）的 6667 倍。尽管主流研究认为生物素急性毒性低，且其水溶性可通过尿液排出，但 “长期超大剂量” 的安全性数据极度缺乏：

• 可能干扰实验室检测：生物素会与某些检测试剂发生交叉反应，导致甲状腺激素、性激素、心肌标志物等检测结果失真，可能误导临床诊断。
• 潜在代谢负担：生物素参与脂肪、碳水、蛋白质的代谢，长期过量可能打破 B 族维生素的平衡 —— 例如，雅各布自己也发现 “B6 会消耗生物素”，却未解释 200 毫克生物素如何影响其他 B 族维生素（如 B2、B3）的代谢通量。

此外，VC 剂量约 5000 毫克 / 天，虽低于莱纳斯・鲍林提出的 “大剂量疗法”（通常 1-10 克 / 天），但长期服用仍可能引发胃肠道不适（如腹泻、胃痉挛）、增加肾结石风险（尤其对有肾结石病史或高草酸尿症人群）。

雅各布的 “校准方法” 依赖主观症状（如唇色、情绪、瘙痒），缺乏客观检测指标的支撑：

• 症状的非特异性：“唇色苍白” 可能是贫血、循环不良导致，“易怒” 可能与睡眠不足、压力等非营养因素相关，无法精准指向 “钼缺乏” 或 “锌缺乏”。
• 忽视基础疾病风险：未考虑使用者的基础健康状况 —— 例如，痛风患者服用钼可能升高尿酸，加重病情；肾病患者排泄矿物质的能力下降，服用高剂量锌、钼可能导致蓄积中毒。
• 药物相互作用缺失提示：配方中的 EGCG 可能抑制肝脏 CYP3A4 酶活性，影响华法林、他汀类药物的代谢；VC 可能增强抗凝血药的效果，增加出血风险。雅各布未提及这些潜在的药物相互作用，对服药人群构成安全隐患。

雅各布声称的效果（如改善双相障碍、增高、逆龄）均来自 “自我描述” 和 “论坛参与者反馈”，存在严重的方法学缺陷：

• 无对照组：未设置 “服用安慰剂” 或 “常规饮食” 的对照组，无法排除 “安慰剂效应”—— 例如，参与者因对方案抱有期待，可能主观放大正面感受，忽视负面症状。
• 无标准化评估：未采用公认的评估工具（如抑郁自评量表 SDS、焦虑自评量表 SAS、身体成分分析仪）量化效果，仅依赖 “感觉更好”“头发变浓密” 等模糊描述。
• 样本偏差：参与实验的论坛用户多对 “替代疗法” 持开放态度，可能本身更易接受暗示，且未披露是否同时进行其他干预（如运动、睡眠改善），无法确定效果仅来自配方。

雅各布的分享选择性呈现正面效果，回避了关键问题：

• 未解释 “生活习惯与健康改善的矛盾”：他自称嗜烟、食用油炸食品、喝汽水，却称肾脏功能改善 —— 这些不健康习惯已知会导致氧化应激、肾脏损伤，与 “健康改善” 的描述存在逻辑冲突，未说明配方如何抵消这些有害因素的影响。
• 缺乏长期追踪数据：方案仅在小范围人群中应用三年，未追踪 5 年以上的健康结局 —— 例如，长期高剂量生物素是否影响神经系统功能、钼是否会导致骨骼代谢异常等，均无数据支撑。

雅各布多次将 “相关性” 误判为 “因果性”：

• 例如，他发现 “服用钼后铜中毒症状缓解”，便认定 “钼直接排铜”，但未排除 “钼通过其他途径（如调节肠道菌群）间接影响铜代谢” 的可能性。
• 又如，将 “服用配方后身高增加” 归因于 “锌补充修复骨骼”，却忽视了成人骨骺线通常已闭合（女性 16-18 岁，男性 18-20 岁），无法通过营养补充实现纵向生长 —— 更可能是测量误差或体态改善（如脊柱伸展）导致的视觉上的身高变化。

雅各布以 “现代医学认知准确率低” 为由，弱化专业意见的重要性，存在逻辑矛盾：

• 他一方面引用 “铁、铜、锌竞争吸收” 的主流研究支撑自己的理论，另一方面又否定医学权威对 “剂量安全”“检测标准” 的建议，陷入 “选择性相信” 的误区。
• 他批评 “教育体系培养工具人”，却未意识到现代医学的 “循证原则”（如随机对照试验、双盲设计）正是为了避免 “个人经验的主观性偏差”—— 他的自我实验虽具探索性，但缺乏这些科学设计，结论的可靠性远低于大规模临床研究。

雅各布的 “HG7 配方” 源于长期自我实验，其探索精神具有一定价值，且提出的 “营养素相互作用” 问题值得关注。但该方案在理论基础、剂量安全、证据支撑等方面存在严重缺陷，本质上仍属于 “未经验证的替代疗法”。对于普通人群而言，盲目尝试高剂量配方可能面临健康风险，若存在健康问题，应优先咨询医生或注册营养师，而非依赖匿名人士的个人经验。未来需通过严格的临床研究（如随机对照试验、长期追踪），才能客观评估其安全性与有效性。

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