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**00:10**
好的，我们开始直播了。Georgie Dinkov，你好吗，兄弟？

**00:14**
刚才信号消失了一会儿，我以为你挂断了，或者整个系统崩溃了。
是的，我遭遇了自己的网络攻击。
是的，我现在看到新闻了。他们说未来几周每家银行都会经历一次网络攻击。
所以我们可能离央行数字货币（CBDC）越来越近了。
我的意思是，我以为这会在2021年发生，但看来我猜早了几年。
总之，我们不是来讨论网络攻击的。
我们先确保大家都听得到我们。好的。

**00:43**
嗯，请告诉我们你们是否能听到我们，一切是否正常。
我认为一切正常，但我只是想确认一下。
好的，我们继续。
嗯，是的。那么，今年对你来说怎么样？
我的意思是，你的知名度达到了一个令人难以置信的程度。
你被那么多非常非常有名的人采访过。
所以，传播信息这件事，绝对是不可思议的。

**01:04**
我要说，就传播信息而言，我认为这是好事，但我并不特别喜欢这种知名度，因为这是一把双刃剑。

**01:14**
你知道，即使在那之前，我的邮箱几乎已经无法使用了。
现在我基本上被来自各地的邮件淹没了，他们说，嘿，我听说你能治癌症。
这是我10页的个人医疗历史，你为什么不帮帮我？
所以，是的，我认为生物能量原则变得更广为人知是好事。

**01:37**
我认为我们看到的第一个迹象是，本·夏皮罗（Ben Shapiro）？还有那个叫什么来着？Siko？
是的，是本·夏皮罗。
然后，你知道，他遵循Peat饮食，我认为他说过这话，这说明了很多。
很多人不喜欢这个。
但对我来说，你知道，传播信息这件事，我认为不存在所谓的坏宣传。
我认为Ray的看法也是类似的。
他并不介意上那些他不一定同意主持人或辩论对手的播客。
但只要能传播信息，我认为最终效果是好的。

**02:00**
所以，谁在乎是不是本·夏皮罗把这些信息带给了大众？
也许这会是最大的讽刺。
一个最不受欢迎的人可能通过传播信息为人类做了很多。
有没有什么——不是说你需要Ray告诉你什么，但有没有——我绝对会——

**02:20**
发现自己在清理厨房或做其他事情时，突然想，哦，我想问Ray这个问题或那个问题。
哦，是的，总是这样，总是这样。
但我的意思是，你知道，只要我想到这个，我基本上就会说，好的，我需要更多地依靠自己，即使我经常会出错。
你知道，我会去Ray的网站或论坛上查他可能说过的一些东西。
但你知道，现在有了Peat Pot，对吧？

**02:40**
我在试着，我的意思是，我没有用它，尽管它是个好东西。
我认为人们应该使用它。
我自己，我试着基本上更独立一些。

**03:07**
我认为对每个人来说最好是尽量独立，因为我认为知识已经在那儿了。
对于那些不愿意的人，那里有很多东西可以让他们自己站起来。
当然，理想的情况是你可以向大师请教更多指导，换句话说，向比你更有经验的人请教。
但我们并不总是有这种奢侈，这就是生活的展开方式。

**03:42**
是的，你的其他的，比如忙碌对你需要做的事情有阻碍吗，还是完全是积极的，或者怎么样？

**03:51**
哦，不，不，绝对不是完全积极的。
这就是为什么我说，有很多人推我，嘿，我们来扩大生意吧。
你需要再找10个合伙人。
我们要给你的公司投入数百万。
对我来说，你知道，我说，不，当然不。
为什么不呢？你可以赚更多钱。
我开始这个不是为了赚钱。
我的意思是，它应该自给自足，对吧？
但我做这个不是纯粹为了钱。
我有另一份工作来赚钱。

**04:16**
我想让它更像一种爱好，更自发，更没有结构，你知道，在这种情况下我可以更多地创新。
因为一旦其他人参与进来，特别是其他人的钱参与进来，

**04:29**
你基本上就会受限制。
这没什么错，只是它会变得更加以商业为中心，我不想要那样。
我见过几家其他公司，最初非常创新，思维跳出框框，特别是在健康行业，一旦开始吸引更强大、更精明的投资者，就崩溃了。
明白了。

**04:53**
是的，所以所有的邀请让我更忙碌了。
我不得不开始拒绝很多邀请，因为根本没办法做这么多事。
而且，我认为对很多人来说……

**05:05**
如我所说，信息已经在那儿了。
我想继续和你一起做播客，因为我有点喜欢这种——它让我保持清醒。
但我不想追求更多知名度。
现在我被Mercola博士和Saladino博士邀请，这对我来说已经足够了。
事实上，有点太多了。

**05:24**
所以我想保持在这个水平。
如果明天CNN打电话来，我可能会拒绝他们的采访请求。
好吧，《Gender of Energy》一年四次会让你非常出名。
有趣的是，每年我都说下一年我会做更多。
但实际上，反而越来越少。
嘿，我有没有给你发过这个在IMDb上的链接？
我的意思是，其他播客都没有。
你绝对很出名。
是的。

**05:50**
你确定这不是抓取的吗？
你把自己写进了历史书。
怎么样？
好的，我想我们有第一个来电者了。
我们有。
好的，朋友们，在我接第一个电话之前，请保持简短，直接说你想对Ray说的任何话。
另外，请不要问健康问题。
我和Georgie有约定，我们不回答健康问题，我会直接跳过。

**06:13**
还有，我还没告诉你这个，Georgie，但我想把这个当作为Progesti、Keenogen的筹款活动。
我喜欢这个。
是的，所以你可以从Catherine那里订购Progesti，邮箱是keenogen@gmail.com，你可以和她建立联系，她会给你发一个PayPal付款请求表。
你付了款，她就会发货。
如果你不需要Progesti，你已经有很多孕酮了，我想你也可以通过PayPal直接给keenogen@gmail.com捐款。
那是她的PayPal。

**06:42**
谢谢你提醒我。
我不知道她是否接受捐款，但你知道，那是PayPal账户。
节目结束后我会给她寄点钱。
是的，你可以在这里捐款，但我建议不要，因为YouTube会抽取很大一部分。
就像，“哦，我会把这些都寄给Catherine。”

**06:59**
但再说一遍，她没有让我这样做。
我只是自己想做。
是的，很高兴接第一个电话。
刚打电话的人，你们当然可以再打回来。
好的，开始吧。
你有跟Catherine或其他任何人联系吗？
我没有。
总有一天会的。
但我跟她的密友Dodie聊过。
不是她的密友，是Ray的密友。
哦，我的耳机差点掉了。
好的，没关系。
好的，我们来接第一个来电者。
朋友们，屏幕可能会一直出问题。
嘿，来电者，你在直播上。
有什么事？

**07:28**
哇。我可以为Ray献上一段话吗？
嘿，Danny，是Dodie。
是Dodie。
嘿，Dodie，你认识Ray多久了？
哦，大约20年。

**07:40**
你来吧，你是这里的贵宾。
好的，我想说我知道很多人非常钦佩Ray，钦佩他所做的一切和他的渊博知识。
但我想在这里把我的小演讲献给我们之间的友谊，Ray是个不起眼的家伙。

**08:01**
他对我来说是个难以置信的朋友，在过去20年里支持我度过了很多事情，我丈夫去世，我儿子去世，我失明，他真的很了不起。
多年来我每天都和他通话，我期待每天下午三点能和Ray聊天，他能支持我。
所以我只想让你们知道他是一个怎样的人，

**08:27**
他以自己的存在装点了这个世界。
我永远不会忘记。
所以谢谢你，Danny。
你这么早就让我想哭了。
是的，所以，你知道，拥有这样一个能随时交流的人是怎样的感觉？
我多年来接触过的人中，很少有人能像你这样可以随时和他交流。
显然他是你的朋友，但能定期和他交流想法一定非常不可思议。

**08:58**
我自己的健康，当然，还有我的家人，但他还帮我处理财务。
他帮我看待世界，世界历史，世界政治。
记住，我们是同一代人。
我们都出生在二战前，这让我们走到了一起。
他就像我的哥哥，我们谈论过去，世界是什么样的，你知道，

**09:23**
Ray经常提到很多年前的事。
这真的非常非常特别。
但我总是可以问他问题，如果我需要他。
但就是……

**09:35**
我真的很了解他，我知道很多人把他看作科学家。
我还和他一起在新墨西哥度过了一周，这真的很特别。
我永远不会忘记我下车时他脸上的笑容，

**09:57**
还有那个大大的拥抱，以及他的耐心。
我们一群人每天和他在一起大约八小时，他从不感到疲倦。
他从不失去耐心。
那是另一件事，Danny。
他非常有耐心。
不管我生活中发生了什么，他都倾听。
他从不批评。
所以……

**10:15**
我真的无法说够。
我真的无法说够。
我知道你们很多人和他保持联系，给他发邮件，但我永远觉得自己有这样的友谊是无比荣幸的。

**10:29**
你什么时候意识到他与众不同的？
你知道，就像代际差异，我绝对没有遇到或和任何人交谈过能接近他的人。
但在你们那一代，找到像他这样品格的人是常见的吗，还是即使在你们的时代也是独特的？

**10:47**
哦，我想是的。
我不完全明白这个问题，Danny，你是问我什么时候意识到他有多特别吗？
是这个问题吗？
是的。
就像，是在见到他并深入交谈时就意识到的吗？
比如，他的认可和不批评，我想，是不是在你和他交谈时立刻就意识到他和别人不一样？

**11:09**
哦，是的。
事情是这样的，我通过Weston Price基金会在线找到了他。
他在那里和某人进行了一场小辩论，我给他打了电话，我和他交谈的那一刻就知道他是合适的人选来帮助我。

**11:26**
从我第一次和他交谈开始，我就对他有了一种信任和信仰。
他的声音，他的某种方式，他的知识从不强加于人，他总是很和善。
他懂得很多，但从不表现得像专家。

**11:48**
所以我会说我们那一代人可能确实更有耐心。
世界变化了很多。
但我的意思是，你们都知道他是什么样的人，他做了什么，他如何牺牲自己来帮助别人。
对吧。

**12:07**
但我想我们那一代人可能更像那样，更有耐心，更理解。
而且，总是人与人之间的交流。
不是发短信，不是发邮件。
但，是的，不，我第一次交谈就立刻意识到了，Danny。

**12:27**
我有很多问题想问你，但有没有一个关于他的特别故事或其他你想让听众记住的，关于他是谁或类似的事情？

**12:37**
嗯，有很多有趣的事情，因为，你知道，我们聊到他如何旅行，他做了什么。
在Catherine之前，他和他的女朋友们一起旅行。
所以我总是觉得这很有趣。
但我想不出什么特别的故事。
只是……

**13:03**
嗯，你知道，我会告诉你，在我儿子Billy癫痫发作后，我半夜给他打了电话。
他接了电话，我几乎歇斯底里。
我儿子中风并癫痫发作，他几乎整晚都陪我在电话里，

**13:24**
支持我，帮助我度过难关。
我们最终叫了救护车，但他全程都在那里陪着我。
这是我经历过的最不可思议的事情，有这样一个人支持我，度过我经历过的最艰难的事情之一。
所以……

**13:48**
记住他为每个人做的一切，但也要记住他是一个多么特别的朋友。
是的，你会让我哭的，但这太不可思议了。
我知道，Danny，我也想哭了。
我也是。

**14:03**
好吧，也许我已经在哭了，Danny。
Dodie，嘿，感谢你。
谢谢你分享这些。
再次，我真的很感激你作为一个人的存在。
谢谢你。
谢谢你，Danny。
谢谢你让我分享我的想法。
一如既往的荣幸。
再见。
很快再聊。
再见。
是的。
Dodie，我昨天和Rob Turner还有Emma Sarakis聊过。

**14:32**
很久以前在Facebook上，类似Face That Fate Rate Peat这样的东西是从Facebook发展起来的。
健康领域里有很多争论和事情。
像Ray的支持者们过去常常和Alan Airgun以及其他低碳水化合物饮食的人争论。
不是说Alan Airgun是低碳水的人，但其他低碳水的人。
我记得，

**14:51**
我会和Rob Turner陷入这些超长的讨论串，和某人争论，然后Rob会陷入另一个超长讨论串，和某人争论，然后我们会互相请求支援。
然后Emma Sirakis也在做她的事情。
大概在2011年和2012年左右，有少数几个人真的很喜欢Ray。
然后有很多人一直在研究他的工作，但没有公开谈论。
他们只是单独研究他的工作。

**15:18**
所以我被邀请加入了一个大约30人的封闭Facebook小组，他们绝对非常喜欢他。
我的意思是，我什么都不懂。
有个叫Cliff的家伙，是个冲浪者，比我年轻很多。
我得问他什么是糖酵解，真的完全不知道是什么，因为我在想，嘿，我最好搞清楚什么是糖酵解，因为Ray总是提到这个，我不知道是什么。
是的。

**15:45**
那是在播客出现之前，所以我想当时Facebook可能是进行这些社交活动的主要场所。
然后播客开始流行，我想现在播客是主流，至少在可预见的未来是这样，我们看看之后会怎样。

**16:03**
也许人工智能会接管并摧毁我们所知的互联网。
所以我们得回到模拟通信。
也许我们得开始互相打电话。
是的，我很期待那个。
朋友们，电话线是开放的。
所以1-615-307-0754。
如果有人想打电话，很高兴再接一个电话。
但这通电话很好。
继续吧，Georgie。

**16:24**
不，我想说另一个他成为主流的迹象。
有人给我发了一个链接，我转发给你了，说一些非常推崇断食和间歇性断食的人，向他们的粉丝宣布他们放弃了。
你知道吗？
能先暂停一下吗？
我们来接这个电话，我想继续听你说。
我只是不想错过这个电话。
好的。
好的。
来电者，你在直播上。
有什么事？
嗨，Danny，我的名字是Patty Lermer。
嘿，Patty。

**17:01**
对Ray工作的感激。
我有幸从2000年开始和Dodie一起工作，实际上是很长时间，但从2009年开始接触Ray的工作。
然后我还有幸和Dodie一起生活了一年多。
我

**17:26**
能听到她和Ray的对话。
他帮了我很多。
我生活中经历了很多压力，从离婚到失去一个孩子。
然后我得了哮喘。
他总是……

**17:47**
愿意通过邮件或甚至电话回答我的问题。
所以我只想分享我的经历，以及我对他的工作和Dodie在困难时期指导我的感激之情。
绝对不可思议。
谢谢你，Patty。
感激。
谢谢。
请大家支持

**18:20**
Catherine，捐款给Kenogen，Progest E是救命的。
所以去捐款吧。
继续说。
谢谢你，Patty。
谢谢你说这些。
谢谢，Danny。
好的，我们又有另一个电话。
嘿，谢谢大家。
很感激。
我们有很多人在听。
哟，哟，你好，你在直播上。
有什么事？

**18:51**
嗨，我来自旧金山湾区，我想分享一个关于Peat博士的回忆。
我很幸运能每周和他相处几年，这绝对是我不配拥有的荣誉。
但我想分享……

**19:12**
可能是我和他最难忘的对话，发生在他去世前两个月。
我有心想帮助自闭症社区的家庭，因为我目前在湾区的一个基金会做一些工作。

**19:31**
我对Peat博士说，天哪，这些家庭的遭遇真的很悲惨，因为很多时候他们需要把全部精力集中在受影响的孩子身上。
我确实听过一些关于疫苗损伤导致自闭症的真实故事，父母们告诉我，孩子在小时候有天壤之别。

**19:51**
所以我说，Peat博士，我希望这些家庭能通过营养或补充剂得到更多帮助。
我没有勇气传播真相。
我希望我有勇气，但我问，我可以把他们介绍给你，给你发邮件吗？
他很慷慨地说，嗯，我有点忙，但他

**20:15**
基本上，当我说我没有勇气时，他的话真的让我震惊。
他基本上说，这不是你有多大勇气的问题。
也不是你有多坚强的问题。
而是需要做什么，以及什么是正确的问题。
我听到这话时很震惊，因为这让我觉得这绝对是他的信息。

**20:36**
他的本质，以及他如何能传播这么多真相，产生如此巨大的影响。
他显然只是有一种想要帮助受苦的人的信念，无论是来自医疗行业还是其他。
所以我真的被震撼了。
谢谢你，来电者。
还有什么想说的吗？

**21:00**
是的，我只想分享我对Peat博士的思考。
我听过John MacArthur牧师谈到男人及其在社会中的角色。
他是一位在南加州的全程保持教堂开放的牧师，在新冠期间曾被威胁要逮捕。
他说如果被捕，他会开始监狱事工。
但他说，

**21:22**
男人是社会的保护者和净化者，减少邪恶，创造美好。
真正的男子气概与勇气这个词紧密相连。
勇气是标志一个真正男人的美德，真理、信念和勇气。
这再次让我想到Peat博士，以及他所做的一切，

**21:43**
总之，我想感谢你为他举办这场纪念节目。
我认为这很美好，因为这是一个巨大的损失。
我们需要保存他的记忆和他的真正本质，以及他作为英雄的形象。
说得好。
谢谢。
谢谢你的分享。
感激。

**22:02**
天，这些电话都太棒了。
抱歉，Georgie，继续你的想法。
嗯，我想接着那个电话说，但有句名言，邪恶的胜利只需要好人袖手旁观。
她说得对，我们需要更多像Ray这样的好人。

**22:21**
是的，天。
我敢肯定有很多我们不知道的事情。
你知道，如果CIA跟踪他，FDA联系过他，我敢肯定他遇到过一些棘手的情况。
你可以假设他们在跟踪。
记得关于海明威的故事吗？
他们基本上让他觉得自己是偏执狂，说FBI在跟踪他。

**22:40**
然后在他死后，他们公布了这些文件，证明FBI一直在跟踪和监视他，因为他确实在50年代初试图做俄罗斯特工，我想。
那正是麦卡锡主义达到顶峰的时候。
所以海明威被严密监视。
事实上，有些人认为那种偏执最终导致他自杀。
哦，哇。

**23:06**
所以，你知道，如果Ray，我会说比海明威更具颠覆潜力，特别是在他在墨西哥的Blake学院以及他推广的观点，这些观点在智力上几乎相当于LSD。

**23:22**
你可以打赌他们有人盯着他。
我想他在几篇文章中提到，他在墨西哥遇到的一些人，有些人似乎有太多财务资源，却没有工作。
他们对他在做什么非常感兴趣。
最终，我们知道，Blake学院被颠覆了，我想这可能是某个情报机构的杰作。
嘿，你还在吗？

**23:47**
是的。
哦，抱歉，我以为整个系统又断了。
那太吓人了。
我上次打断了你，但你正在说一些重要的事情。
哦，是的，有人给我发了一个链接，关于这些人。
我不太认识他们。
我其实不太关注健康社区。

**24:02**
我忙于其他事情已经够多了。
但显然有两个在断食界非常有名的人，间歇性断食和长期断食，他们基本上告诉他们的粉丝他们放弃了，因为这对他们不起作用，他们要回到正常的饮食，实际上碳水化合物更多，脂肪更少。

**24:19**
你回复说，哦，这很重大。
就像你说的那个家伙，他在那个社区里真的很出名。
我也不认识他们中的任何一个，但这证明越来越多的人——因为没什么可尝试的了，对吧？
他们试过低碳水，高蛋白。
他们试过一切，除了高碳水、低脂肪和低PUFA饮食，我想这是我们看到的唯一人们正在采纳的信息。
是的，我一直在思考——

**24:46**
健康界的所有人，他们都想进步。
他们想向前走。
所以如果你在低碳水或纯肉食领域，你有点受限，因为你无法真正推进那个理念，因为它太笨拙，太浅显，缺乏深度，你知道。

**25:03**
但Ray，随着他越来越受欢迎，或者生物能量学之类的东西，有很多深度，你知道，你可以解释个性、思维模式。
你可以解释一切。
所以如果健康界有种天然的进步倾向，人们想解释事情，他们自然会理解。

**25:24**
转向Ray或生物能量学之类的东西。
所以我已经看到Saladino和那个我提到的家伙，Thomas DeLauer。
而且，我认为这会自然发生，因为，因为。
嗯，直到女权主义运动抓住他的书《从PMS到更年期：女性荷尔蒙的背景》。
有几个非常愤怒的女权主义者告诉我，这个标题太侮辱人了。
是的。

**25:50**
它把女性简化为仅仅是荷尔蒙。
我说，好吧，我给你一本书，你会读吗？
她们说，绝对不读。
她们认为写这书的人会是个传统的男权主义者。
我说，不，完全不是。
他是最早的女权主义者。
好吧，你们是我们所谓的女权纳粹。
但总之，所以……

**26:10**
我们看看这些想法会不会被更广泛接受。
因为现在我遇到一些阻力，我想你也看到了，那个医生基本上说，哦，Peat博士和其他人，包括Georgie和Mercola博士，他们在反对雌激素。
这是为什么雌激素很棒。
我们正在回归雌激素HRT。
是的。

**26:34**
所以，是的，我们看看。
我想至少在这一部分我们会遇到阻力。
但即使这样，根据证据来看，也不是很糟糕。
所以我们看看会怎样。
是的，我的意思是，他认为女性是种族进化的未来，你知道。
但他很久以前告诉我，我想这可能是在之前。
顺便说一句，朋友们，电话线是开放的，请随时打进来。
他告诉我，他在巡回演讲时，我想是在杂货店里演讲。

**27:02**
我不知道具体背景。
在杂货店里演讲的巡回。
是的，是的。
好像健康界的人过去常这样做，我想。
哦，哇，太棒了。
不知道现在还有没有人这样做。
在南加州，你有时可以看到，在一个叫Mother's Market的嬉皮士杂货店里，

**27:23**
他们会有一个区域，邀请书作者之类的人来演讲。
但总之，他告诉我，有一次一个女人试图攻击他。
哦，我。
但是的，理解雌激素本质上在男性和女性中都是一种压力荷尔蒙。
它不是女性化的荷尔蒙，在那种情况下会非常重要。

**27:43**
你提到的那个播客，那篇文章要很久才会出来。
我想，你有什么想说的吗？
哪个？
记得我们，Jay和Mike的播客，我完全不知道什么时候会出来。
你有收到关于它的消息吗？
没有，还没有。
但你知道，我收到其他消息。
基本上现在的消息流主要是，嘿，帮我解决这个问题。
而且，

**28:10**
我在试着想一个礼貌的方式告诉人们，不像Ray，我有其他事情要做。
我不是说他没事做。
我敢肯定他很忙，但那是他的工作。
嗯，我的工作其实是别的。
所以我真的没办法，你知道，回答并提供直接的个人建议。
我可以跟你讨论一个想法吗？
如果你回复别人说你不能回答他们的邮件，有时会让人生气。
不如干脆不回复怎么样？
嗯，

**28:38**
你知道，我这样做过，但我还注意到，如果我不回复，他们会定期继续烦我。
所以我宁愿冒着让人一开始生气的风险，对吧？
然后希望随着时间推移会平息，因为老实说我没做错什么，而不是反复收到同一个人的邮件。
有时候他们会非常有创意。
明白了。
他们会创建多个账户，给我发垃圾邮件。
他们会用不同的号码打电话。
是的。

**29:03**
因为不回复并不是通用的信号，我没时间处理你的消息，或者我不能。
但他们也会想，哦，不，他真的很忙。
也许我的邮件夹在其他400封邮件里。
所以他没看到。
让我发400次，这样就会很显眼。
我不是开玩笑。
我遇到过这样的情况。
所以是的，我认为没有一种完全正确的方式处理这些。
有些人就是会生气，我很抱歉，但，

**29:28**
我有自己的生活和其他事情要做。
完美时机。
好的，这有个电话。
嘿，你好，你得关掉音频。
有什么事？
嘿，Danny。
嘿，Georgie。
我是Nate Lawrence。
我只是想打进来，说看到

**29:51**
Ray的工作发展到现在的地步真的很酷。
能和你们互动真的很酷。
但我真的觉得，回顾过去，Ray能够生成

**30:11**
那么多的能量和生活中的秩序。
你知道，基本上在物理和精神层面上创造结构。
我认为他的可接近性和愿意帮助他人的态度，基本上解放了能量的流动，保护了生命。
基本上我认为，

**30:30**
他对能量和意识的看法，真的让人无法完全理解。
你知道，就像，这个人怎么能把生活转向更高的能量，远离黑暗，基本上有一种神圣的能量。
是的。
我认为Ray有点体现了青春的状态，你知道，我认为，

**31:00**
信仰和能量的流动真的定义了Ray。
看到社区的发展方向真的很美。
所以我只是想谢谢你们。
我很感激你们。
是的。
是的。
Nick Stumphouser给我发了一个Adolph Peetler在Twitter上发布的纪念Ray的东西。
是的，

**31:28**
只是Twitter上的一个有趣家伙。
但我听了之后，简直不敢相信每个人的发言都那么聪明，你知道。
所以，我的意思是，如果那群人，你知道，还有Twitter上的其他人，是Ray理念的未来，我想我们有很多值得期待的。

**31:49**
因为，我的意思是，感觉这一切才刚刚开始。
一个接一个发言的人，我不知道，很有共鸣。
我不知道，每个发言的人我都觉得，我很惊讶每个人的智慧。
但是的，真的很享受。

**32:08**
是的。
再次，我只是，我很感激。
希望，你知道，我们能和Georgie和Danny在未来有更多互动。
所以再次谢谢你们举办这个。
酷，兄弟。
很快再聊。
是的。
所以Nate，新一代Zoomer Ray Peat小队的一员。

**32:27**
是的，年轻人。
非常好。
非常聪明。
我忘了告诉你，Ray Peat在保加利亚变得非常火。
他的所有书都被翻译成了保加利亚语，他所有的通讯也被翻译成了保加利亚语，最近还有一本关于他的书，我为它写了保加利亚语的前言。
天哪。
所以我可以给你发链接，基本上，但有一个大约10万人的Facebook小组在保加利亚讨论Peat Harris。
10万？

**32:52**
哦，天哪。
那是个小国家，对吧？
只有700万人口，所以按百分比来说，这不是一个小数字。
他们还在吸引更多人。
我想这个小组还有分支，因为保加利亚有很多希腊裔、土耳其裔、塞尔维亚裔和罗马尼亚裔的人，现在这些人在那里，他们是这些民族的。
他们在各自的国家开始了自己的小组。
所以Ray Peat在巴尔干地区非常火。

**33:20**
所以，你知道，希望我们能继续传播这个消息。
太疯狂了。
10万人。
这比Ray Peat论坛还多吧？

**33:29**
作为成员，是的。
但作为访客，我不知道。
我想只有Ray Peat论坛的管理员知道访客统计，但你可以大致估计。
我想Ray Peat论坛也很受欢迎。
但10万成员的Facebook小组，我不知道还有哪个以Peat为中心或生物能量学为中心的群体有这么多成员。
明白了。
好的，这儿。
我们再接一个电话。
好的，来电者，你在直播上。
有什么事？

**33:55**
嘿，Danny和Georgie，我是Trevi。
嘿，Trevi，你好？
别又让我哭了，Trevi。
你想干嘛？

**34:03**
哦，天哪。
这场节目太棒了。
我不确定我能不能打进来。
大家说的每件事都太美了。
Georgie，我想告诉你，我跟Catherine说了你的书，告诉她你提出要送她一本，但说它是用保加利亚语写的。
……

**34:28**
她说没问题，她可以用Google翻译。
好的。
好的。
只是咖啡是我们感激的象征。
只是让她知道，我刚跟Danny说了，保加利亚有一个10万成员的Facebook小组，那是个小国家。
所以Ray Peat现在在保加利亚和邻国非常火。

**34:49**
是的，是的，我把你的感情和想送她书的事转告给她了，她很期待，所以请去寄吧。
我们会的。
是的，她很好，……

**35:08**
我想到的，我在想该说些什么关于Ray的，因为已经说了很多美好的事情。
但我和我的丈夫Brad有幸和Catherine还有Ray一起庆祝Ray的一年生日。
……

**35:33**
那太有趣了。
我们在一个咖啡馆，我们带了生日装饰，我们给Ray买了一大轮帕尔马干酪。
是的。

**35:48**
太棒了。
它很大。
真的很有趣，因为我事先没怎么想。
只是想，哦，天哪，你知道，我们给他带一大轮，他会有很多。
我永远忘不了我递给他时他脸上的表情。
他像是，哦，哇，这得吃好一阵子。
但是……

**36:13**
但那是一段美好、奇妙的时光。
我真的很感激我们能有那段时光，以及所有的对话，你知道，能和Ray还有Catherine共度时光，他们的爱，我说了很多次，他们之间的爱太激励人心，太美妙了。

**36:43**
那是我生命中美好的一部分，我非常感激你们继续做的一切，以及因为Ray而在世界上存在的爱。

**37:02**
你知道，我去Ray Peat论坛，有人会说，我需要帮助解决这个。
然后所有这些人帮助他们，他们给予、关爱、关怀。
这是纪念Ray的一种美好方式。
就像人们在继续这种能量的流动。
所以他会因为这个而永恒。
所以，……

**37:29**
总之，我真的很感激这个节目。
感激你，Trevi。
我对所有人说，Progest-E很棒。
是的，太棒了。
是的。
我每天都用，我丈夫也是，我现在几乎每个朋友都在用。
所以是好东西。
还有什么想说的吗，Trevi？

**37:57**
没有，只是，你知道，我真的想重申Ray和你们两个相处的时间他有多开心。
你知道，我特别记得一次对话，他说，和这些家伙在一起真的很有趣。
所以他和你们在一起时真的很享受。
他总是……

**38:22**
对此很开心。
我想他有一次对我说，他很兴奋能有那种对话，问题很好，他真的很享受。

**38:39**
Catherine怎么样？
她一个人处理一切还好吗？
她很好。
她很好。
她有很多事情要处理，可以想象。
但她很好，你知道，继续保持对她的……

**38:58**
美好祝福，因为她是一个美丽、了不起的人，充满爱、善良、慷慨，就像Ray一样。
他们是一对慷慨的夫妇。
她很好。
孕酮和Kenogen的一切，对她来说是压倒性的还是可行的？
显然。
我不……

**39:22**
是的，我不认为这压倒性。
我想是可行的，你知道，因为她做了这么长时间。
所以我想她有自己的系统。
但你知道，对于任何正在悲伤的人，悲伤时事情会更难。
你知道，刚刚过去的一周年，总是很难。
是的。

**39:47**
但，你知道，我想她很好，她有一些项目和其他她将要做的事情。
所以，你知道，我想她期待未来。
是的。
我在社交媒体上某处说过，但Ray不是有史以来最伟大的科学家，他是有史以来最伟大的人之一，你知道，我无法想象失去这样的人，你知道，绝对是，嗯，毁灭性的。

**40:16**
嗯，我想我们确实失去了Ray，但我也认为Ray在所有这些爱中活着。
你知道，他的影响是活着的。
我们会永远感受到他。
就像你说的，

**40:35**
共识现实现在正在赶上。
你有不同的人在说，嘿，这是什么？
好吧，让我真的看看这个。
所以这让Ray活着。
他是永恒的。
Ray的思想非常活跃。
我可以告诉你，所有谈论他的人，他的想法绝对不会消失。

**41:01**
不，不，不，不，它们不会。
你知道，爱是永恒的。
你知道，Ray非常非常有爱。
我有个朋友说，优雅的爱是你爱并在爱中给予自己。
Ray是优雅的爱和优雅的给予的美丽榜样，Catherine也是。
而且，……

**41:28**
你知道，就是这样。
它会不断增加。
你知道，我在社交媒体或其他任何地方没见过任何东西，除了爱、感恩和人们彼此友善。
所以，你知道，我真的觉得这是Ray的遗产。
你太棒了，Trevi。
非常感谢你打进来。

**41:53**
好的。
给你们俩很多爱，期待未来能听到你们更多。
谢谢，Trevi。
顺便说一句，我会试着这周给你打电话。
那太好了。
我会很期待。
我很期待。
好的。
好的。
保重。
给你们俩很多爱。
好的。
再见。
再见，Trevi。
天，这些10分满分的电话是怎么回事？

**42:20**
嘿，我只是想——昨天我和某人聊天，他们说Progest E里有大豆。
我几乎可以肯定——Georgie，你可以扩展一下。
但维生素E不是有大豆——它可以从大豆中提取，但你也可以提取——

**42:37**
基本上，根据你提取的来源，可能有一些残余油，但所有引起过敏反应的蛋白质，无论是大豆还是小麦的麸质，或者葵花籽里的某些东西，都已经被去除了。
生产生育酚的供应商，他们非常清楚。
事实上，已经有过诉讼，生产引起过敏反应的产品涉及很多责任，

**42:59**
所以他们非常小心。
我不知道有谁对Progest E或市场上其他大多数混合生育酚产品有过敏反应。
所以我不认为Progest E里有大豆。
可能有来自大豆油的残余油，

**43:20**
但，你知道，那量很小，因为我认为用于生产这里的生育酚浓度在95%到99%之间。
所以最坏的情况，你大概得到的是大约1%到4%的来自大豆油的残余油。
但这不等同于里面有大豆。
是的。
这源于Ray Peat论坛上的一个老帖子。
这可能是唯一一次我觉得Ray有点生气，因为有人把那个帖子转给了他。

**43:46**
他基本上说那全是胡说八道。
所以我只是说这个，因为这些想法确实会延续。
就在昨天，有人说，Progest E里不是有大豆吗？
我想他们是从那个帖子看到的。
但总之，我的意思是……

**44:04**
嗯，相比市场上任何其他混合生育酚产品，使用孕酮会更安全，因为至少在最坏的情况下，如果有任何大豆残留，孕酮可能会阻止过敏反应，而如果你没有孕酮，情况就不一样了。
是的。
我的意思是，再说一遍，Ray参与生产的产品会是好产品。
所以，……

**44:28**
但在那个帖子中，我想他们还说过Ray否认了这个产品之类的话，完全是假的。
但……

**44:35**
总之。
不，他不只是否认了这个产品。
据我了解，在90年代，他收到FDA的一封信，说，嘿，你基本上得停止销售孕酮，如果你想继续写关于它的事。
你不能两者兼得。
他在他的一篇文章中说，他要求FDA给他看法律，证明他不能同时销售和写关于孕酮的内容。
他们拒绝了，但我想为了避免进一步的审查，我想他已经有了，知道他已经被CIA和FBI监视之类，你不想

**45:03**
再惹上另一个三字母机构。
所以我想他基本上停止了参与产品的日常生产。

**45:11**
继续写关于它的事，但Catherine继续生产和销售。
所以它仍然是Ray的，只是他不直接参与销售和分发。
是的，当Ray问关于法律的事，FDA只是给他发了一张Wilhelm Reich在监狱里去世的照片。
那可能是他们的回应。
或者William Koch在亚马逊，饥饿而憔悴，对吧？
他发生了什么，我不知道。

**45:39**
不，不，我在开玩笑。
他们真的给他发了一段视频？
不，我在开玩笑。
FDA不是把Wilhelm Reich关进监狱并基本上杀了他吗？
对，但我有点在延续你的笑话。
他们可能给他发了一张William Koch的照片，他被流放了。
啊，明白了。
到亚马逊丛林，他在那里度过了余生。
我想他死得很凄惨。
哦，天，我不知道这个。
我不知道。

**46:03**
好的，朋友们，这个节目，基本上是为你们准备的。
你知道，我只是想听听你们的想法。
你们经常听到Georgie和我的声音，但欢迎打进来。
再次，通过给Catherine发邮件到kinogen@gmail.com订购Progesti。
或者如果你不需要Progesti，你可以直接在kinogen@gmail.com捐款。
是的，高兴再接更多电话。
你知道我可以跟你聊什么？

**46:29**
完全跑题了，但葡萄糖醛酸化，所有脂肪酸都会发生吗？
还是我以为只有DHA和可能EPA？
所有脂肪酸都会吗？
不。

**46:41**
实际上，所有脂肪酸都可以发生。
所以两个主要的第二阶段解毒途径是葡萄糖醛酸化和硫酸化，或者附着羟基。
基本上是使分子更水溶。
我想羟基主要是针对类固醇，但当然类固醇也会被葡萄糖醛酸化和硫酸化。
这对每种分子来说都很独特，

**47:03**
但对类固醇来说，主要的排泄途径可能是按这个顺序：葡萄糖醛酸化、硫酸化、羟基化。
而对脂肪酸，我想主要是葡萄糖醛酸化。
我不认为血液或组织中有任何脂肪酸硫酸酯。
因为Twitter上有人链接了一篇关于花生四烯酸和可能亚油酸的葡萄糖醛酸化的论文，如果我没记错。
我只是不知道这个……

**47:29**
会发生。
我以为总是特指DHA，但看来不是。
像Omega-3的DHA，你是说？
是的，是的，二十二碳六烯酸。
所有PUFA，主要的和更安全的方式是通过肝脏进行葡萄糖醛酸化来清除它们。

**47:45**
基本上可能氧化其中一些，因为肝脏是维生素E浓度最高的地方之一。
所以它相对受到保护，但取决于你摄入了多少PUFA，它很容易受损。
实际上，NAFLD、NASH、肝硬化，甚至肝癌，只不过是表明肝脏在这种PUFA压力下持续了多久的疾病谱。
嗯。

**48:14**
服用维生素E，我敢肯定，我想我们已经讨论过几次了，现在在人体中的研究，实际上可以完全阻止这个过程。
我不是说你应该继续吃PUFA，但肝脏真的是PUFA被安全转化为更水溶性分子的地方，通过葡萄糖醛酸化。

**48:33**
然后它通过尿液排出。
然后另一方面，好的，其中一些可能被肝脏氧化。
然后另一个实际上它们被安全处理的地方是脂肪细胞。
脂肪细胞可以通过一种叫过氧化物酶体的东西氧化很多脂肪。
基本上，但同样，这个过程只有在有足够维生素E的情况下才安全。
嗯。

**48:55**
所以脂肪酸，理想情况下，你希望它们留在脂肪细胞里，就像Ray说的，对吧？
保持脂肪分解低。
如果它们留在那里，随着时间推移，它们会通过过氧化物酶体的内部氧化被处理。
如果它们通过脂肪分解释放出来，总是有一些基础脂肪分解在进行，你不想让肝脏不堪重负，然后

**49:15**
无论发生多么少的脂肪分解，你希望大部分PUFA通过肝脏进行葡萄糖醛酸化并通过尿液排出。
我不知道我怎么听了100期你的播客，13年来都在听，却没弄明白这个。
挺悲哀的。
所以像内毒素和雌激素会抑制葡萄糖醛酸化？
那这些PUFA会去肝脏并损害肝细胞吗？

**49:40**
是的，实际上我正准备在我的博客上发一篇关于内毒素解毒的帖子，所需的辅助因子是钙。
这是多吃钙的另一个理由。
有一种酶叫酰氧基乙酰羟化酶。

**49:56**
基本上，这是肝脏中切掉一些脂肪酸的酶，因为内毒素是脂质和糖的组合。
然后这种酶从脂多糖的长链脂肪酸尾部切掉几个脂肪酸。
这基本上使它大部分失活。
它不能激活TLR4。
它不能增加炎症。
它不能增加一氧化氮、血清素等。
但要让这种酶起作用，第一，雌激素会抑制它。

**50:26**
所以多吃钙的另一个理由。
是的，然后雌激素抑制所有第二阶段解毒途径，这是为什么高雌激素的人处理酒精有困难的原因之一。
这也是为什么女性，撇开她们通常比男性低的BMI，但她们也更容易醉的原因之一。
原因在于，平均来说，她们有更高的雌激素水平。
这随着年龄增长变得尤其明显，

**50:55**
因为尽管更年期应该是一种雌激素不足的状态，实际上恰恰相反。
它是一种雌激素过量的状态，对酒精的不耐受随年龄增长而增加，在男性和女性中都是如此。

**51:07**
我想我们在另一期节目中讨论过这个。
他们实际上尝试用雄性大鼠做实验，注意到阉割雄性大鼠基本上比未阉割的雌性大鼠更容易醉，用更少的酒精。
然后当他们给大鼠睾酮时，它们的酒精耐受性增加，恢复正常。
然后基本上，当他们，你知道，他们……

**51:27**
第二组给了一个芳香化酶抑制剂或一种不可芳香化的抗原，如二氢睾酮，然后大鼠的酒精耐受性超过了年轻大鼠。

**51:37**
所以真的是雌激素在抑制所有这些途径，特别是醇脱氢酶和醛脱氢酶，但实际上是所有的第二阶段解毒途径。
雌激素是最大的抑制者之一。
血清素也是。
而且PUFA本身通过它们的雌激素效应实际上也在抑制它们自己的解毒。

**51:56**
所以真的是许多不同的途径。
坏东西基本上以促进自身效应和减少自身降解而闻名。
最近我发现这个，

**52:09**
我很震惊我们之前没发现，可的松会促进自己的合成。
这是与医生的一个大争论点，因为他们说，嘿，如果皮质醇是肥胖和糖尿病的原因，为什么我们在这些人的血液中没看到皮质醇升高？
但如果你看他们的组织，你会看到他们的11-BETA-HSD1酶表达量高达

**52:31**
11倍，这是生成皮质醇的限速酶。
所以就像雌激素，你可以在血液中有正常甚至低水平的皮质醇，因为它有一个相对较好的负反馈机制，除非你有库欣病，但你可以在组织中有极高的皮质醇量，

**52:50**
11 beta HSD1和皮质醇。
事实上，基本上发现皮质醇会促进11 beta HSD1的表达，这意味着当你，我的意思是，经典的例子是，我已经找到研究，当你锻炼时，对吧，你通过压力燃烧额外卡路里减重。

**53:10**
但与此同时，你的外周组织变得极度胰岛素抵抗，基本上是高糖皮质激素状态。
一旦你停止锻炼，无论你吃什么卡路里，即使你采用非常低脂饮食，你很可能会大幅增重。
我自己经历过这个。
可能需要几年时间恢复正常。
在某些情况下，至少动物研究表明，如果

**53:37**
11-beta-HSD1的表达增加，你可能需要服用某种抗皮质醇药物，如孕酮或孕酮类似物，来使事情正常化。
我进一步挖掘，发现孕酮不仅降低11-beta-HSD1的活性，还促进11-beta-HSD2的活性，11-beta-HSD2会解毒、失活皮质醇。
最后，孕酮将11-beta-HSD1的表达降回到正常。

**54:03**
所以，真的，真正的人体中抗压力、抗皮质醇的激素，活性且安全的，是孕酮。
第二个，同样有效但危险的，是DHEA。
我说DHEA危险是因为它很容易转化为皮质醇。
我想孕烯醇酮也有不错的抗皮质醇效果，但需要更高的剂量。
是的。

**54:23**
是的，我想有一种叫Trilostane的药物，抑制3-beta-HSD2。
它导致前体物质，孕烯醇酮、孕酮和DHEA积累。
这显然是有治疗作用的。
是的，朋友们，嘿，打进节目吧。
我可能会和Georgie闲聊几句然后结束。
但是的。

**54:45**
我想提一下，今年有点像是DHEA之年。
每年，我想我都会比前几年更欣赏某种物质。
因为你获得了新知识，然后你回过头去看它，用新的眼光看待，对吧？
所以你有更多知识知道如何正确使用它。
是的，确实。
但DHEA很有趣，因为过去10年几乎总是，我会说它更偏向负面。
像是会导致恐慌或只是焦虑之类。
但同样，生理状态多年来会变化，但它有非常明显的促睡眠效果，非常明显的促梦效果。
我甚至试过用孕酮配DHEA和不配DHEA，DHEA总是让效果显著更好。
是的，

**55:32**
然后早上时的平静。
所以也许这和我2023年经历的狗年有关，真的跟狗有关。
关键是单次剂量不要吃太多，因为肠道细胞很快会将其转化为DHEA硫酸酯，这是一种非常强的GABA拮抗剂。
任何GABA拮抗剂都会引起焦虑。
明白了。
好的，我们可能会在这里结束。

**55:59**
我不知道。
我们自从以色列-巴勒斯坦事件后还没聊过。
想聊聊那个吗？
真的？
是的。
不，其实，在那之前。
我们上次是什么时候？
哦，不，不，我想说的是，我们还没聊过。
哦，好的。
是那个意思。
是的。
我的意思是……

**56:17**
我不知道。
我的意思是，没什么大事，兄弟。
只是空气中有点疯狂。
我在看股市。
一切都在爆炸。
人们说这是——我想我们要么面对恶性通货膨胀，要么我不知道。
但似乎没人再在乎了。

**56:32**
我想我身边的人，至少在这座城市里我看到，他们终于接受了虚无主义，找不到更好的词。
他们就是不在乎。
他们只想玩乐，然后他们甚至不在乎政治。
即使是我有时候会争论的铁杆民主党人——现在，这不意味着人们——但当然现在我真的会被贴上极右的标签。
我不是——

**56:55**
但我在这儿争论政治的民主党人，他们不想再谈这个了。
他们就像，你知道，别烦我。
我想去喝酒嗑药。
我不在乎政治。
最疯狂的是DeSantis-Newsom辩论。

**57:10**
他们不是领跑者。
他们为什么要辩论？
嗯，有人说这可能像是为Yusuf做热身，基本上是让他亮相，如果拜登明年慷慨决定不参选之类。
是的，我的意思是，只是……

**57:28**
再次，我知道我现在是喊狼来了的男孩，但我的意思是，如果有一年会发生疯狂的事情，那一定是明年。
我们不可能有正常的选举。
必须是某种疯狂的事。
很多人说不会有选举，对吧？
或者，你知道，在那之前，如果他们再次降息并印钱，嗯，事情是这样的。

**57:49**
如果他们再次降息，可能会加剧事情，但还不够。
基本上，很多公司都陷入困境。
很多银行都陷入困境，因为它们持有所谓的未实现损失。
它们在利率很低时买了债券。
基本上，现在这些银行不能卖这些债券，因为价格会让它们亏本。
所以它们持有的资产价值下降。
所以唯一的出路是再来一次——是的。
能先暂停一下吗？
我们接这个电话然后结束。
非常感谢。

**58:20**
嘿，来电者，你得静音你的音频。
好了。
你好？
你好。
嗨，我觉得我应该打进来，嗯，

**58:32**
没多少人打进来，我想确保我有机会对Ray说些什么。
如果听起来像是背稿的，那是因为我一边听你们聊天一边写了一些笔记。
我想谦虚地说，几年前我了解了Ray之后，

**58:52**
我想说的一些事情是，他让我重新觉得学习很有趣。
我读他的作品和关于他的作品的对话时，总是感到非常好奇、开放和无拘无束。
对我来说可能最重要的是，他给了我，嗯，倾听自己智慧和直觉的许可，而不是仅仅

**59:20**
我不知道，像被世界的权威主义精神灌醉，只听从，你知道，我内心的直觉。
我觉得这开启了一个全新的连接和朋友的世界，这些人有着截然不同的历史和独特的视角。
而且……

**59:45**
对Ray说话，不是把他当作神，而是作为一个普通人。
他有很多美好的品质，我甚至不知道关于他的一小部分，但我过去两年里很多次因为他停下来思考，在做决定前思考，也像另一个来电者说的，有勇气说出真相。

**01:00:10**
如果我再说下去，我可能会哭。
所以我只想分享我的想法。
天，说得太好了。
我没想过这个，但让一个人倾听自己，他们的直觉，绝对是巨大的。
我不知道健康界或任何其他领域有谁在做这个。
所以，我的意思是，如果不是你说了，我不会想到这个。
但是的，说得真的非常好。

**01:00:39**
是的，再多说一点，关于我自己的信念、原则和信仰。
他那种安静的坚定，我有点吸收了这种特质，并能以相似的信念坚持我认为正确的事情。
所以每一天，每一年，我相信会有越来越多的理由

**01:01:09**
感谢Ray。
说得太好了。
还有什么想提的吗？
我爱这里的每个人，你和Georgie，这种精神和大家之间的联系，我不会说自己是个孤独的人，但当你做这些直播时，我感觉非常有联系。
就像，你知道，所有人的嗡嗡声，集体意识，感觉很好能成为其中的一部分。

**01:01:41**
我以前有个，第一个老板是个退役特种部队士兵，他很低调，但他说的很少的话很像Ray。
有一天他对我说：“儿子，别听周围这些专家的。
他们都在试图卖东西或控制你。
归根结底，都是关于你内心的那个小声音，大多数普通人甚至听不到。
当那个小声音说有疑问时，那就是没有疑问。”

**01:02:08**
所以多听自己的，少听专家的。
所以我同意。
我认为Ray每次有机会说话时，都在强调我们的这种品质。
是的，我完全同意。
谢谢你们。
嘿，谢谢。
感激。
好的。
再见。
再见。
有个马斯洛的引用，大意是当一个孩子在痛苦中，你说，嘿，小Billy，别那样感觉。
要开心。

**01:02:36**
那就像是对孩子或那个人的不尊重。
我认为这是一种虐待，因为它是一种煤气灯操纵。
第一。
而且，基本上，如果你看看我们周围，整个文化就是这样设置的，对吧？
基本上就像他们有，他不是有篇文章说了这个吗？
我其实见过好几次，因为我很久以前，差不多20年前，

**01:02:56**
在一家做临床试验的公司工作，我们会在医院轮转。
肿瘤科是最糟的，尤其是儿童肿瘤科，因为他们有这些得了癌症要死的孩子，然后他们会请来这些小丑，字面和比喻意义上，他们会做这些表演，试图让孩子们笑。
我一直觉得，这是什么可怕的场景

**01:03:17**
和情况。
我的意思是，有些孩子会呕吐，护士会冲进来给他们这些袋子，我们会说这里有20个孩子在死去和呕吐，小丑还在继续他的表演。
我想，这些人不需要幽默，或者至少他们现在不会欣赏。
但他们一直强迫他们，这被认为是这个医院做过的最伟大的成就之一，就是

**01:03:41**
强迫人们，基本上，我想，煤气灯操纵他们，告诉他们，不，你没有在死去。
你感觉的不是这样。
是别的东西。
你很好。
你的生物标志物很好。
你知道，别相信你那撒谎的眼睛。
但，是的，所以，你知道，我们每天都在这种非常非常有毒的文化中挣扎。

**01:04:01**
我不知道我有没有在这儿提过。
我在电话里说过很多次，但甚至有几次我明显对他说错了什么，你知道，他甚至没纠正我。
你知道，他的认可到了那种程度，我对世界的理解

**01:04:16**
完全错误，你知道，世界是如何运作的。
他甚至没指出。
然后一年后再问他，他会说，哦，是的。
如果你不问他具体的问题，他不会插嘴告诉你你错了，你知道？
你怎么知道那是错的？
你知道，他谈到现象学，在那个领域，他们基本上，他们有点说，你得放弃纯粹客观性的想法。
我们都带着自己的偏见。

**01:04:43**
基本上，什么是正确的很大程度上取决于上下文。
所以你现在可能觉得自己错了，但一年后可能证明是对的。
所以我想，当人们试图评估不同的可能性时，Ray的立场是不要强迫他们走特定的路径，让他们自己去发现。
是的。
我不认为他纠正你是因为他觉得，他不想认可你。
我想他没纠正你是因为，首先，他觉得你可能是对的，或者他觉得自己不一定是对的。
对。
其次，嗯，

**01:05:12**
叫什么来着？
威廉·布莱克说，不要做一个否定者，对吧？
所以当你说，不，这绝对是错的，我想你真的会扼杀对话，某种程度上破坏了思想和体验的过程。
是的，不，我想你说得完全正确。
我说了一些类似法国统治世界之类的话。
所以绝对是错的。
我会说你部分正确。
是的。

**01:05:34**
但法国的某些方面，直到最近还在统治非洲。
我的意思是，他们直到最近才开始被踢出非洲，但法帝国绝对在，至少在它的精英们的脑海中继续存在。
但，你知道，保持那种认可他人的能力，你知道，或者承认每个人都在不同的道路上，你知道，特别是在健康界，但

**01:06:01**
是的，兄弟。
好的。
最后一次呼叫来电者。
我们已经进行了一个小时，我不想拖得比必要的时间长。
我想我们已经接了很多很棒的电话。
绝对疯狂。
但，嗯，我们还没说完巴勒斯坦以色列的想法。

**01:06:19**
嗯，我想，就像我说的，我们会面临恶性通货膨胀，或者，哦，如我开始说的，即使美联储降低利率，也不足以拯救所有陷入困境的公司，这意味着他们必须进行量化宽松。
他们不能进行量化宽松，除非有另一场危机。
所以我们无论如何都会面临另一场危机。
我不知道会是什么。
他们已经在炒作那个新的中国病毒或者那里发生的事。

**01:06:43**
可能是中东，可能是乌克兰的战争。
但无论如何，以现在的财务状况来看，尽管股市在做什么，股市与经济无关。
股市完全是关于华尔街是否相信美联储会印钱。
但美联储除非有危机不能印钱。
所以我想我们会看到另一场危机。
他们说三月。
他们预计三月。
所以三月可能会有什么事发生。

**01:07:11**
是的，我不知道。
但我会试着建一个地堡。
所以这是我现在的优先事项。
真的。
你在墨西哥为什么需要地堡？
谁会去那儿？
我想建一个，这样如果有坏事发生，我可以躲进去。
是像辐射之类的东西吗？
嗯，那个。
但也，我之前说过，但如果有持枪的人来到这个地方，我会像，哦，见鬼，我不知道该怎么办。
而且，我想我会把它弄成一个小公寓，也许我会住在那儿。

**01:07:39**
除非你想把入口密封，变成一只裸鼹鼠，否则住在地下不是个好主意。
是的，确实。
但，我想说这可能是个好主意。
我的意思是，在地下可能会完全防电磁波。
可能吧。
是的。

**01:07:58**
建的时候，请用三用表检查一下。
告诉我你在下面发现了什么。
嗯，如果一切顺利——
我过去和现在仍然做的是，基本上，当我觉得自己暴露在太多电磁波中时，我想我能感觉到什么时候太多了。
现在新手机都是5G。
我周围到处都是5G塔。
你真的逃不掉。
我会去这些大楼里有的那种很深的车库，五六七层深。

**01:08:25**
当你一直下去，没有手机信号。
所以我关掉手机，因为当手机没有信号时，手机本身会增加输出功率。
所以你一直下去，关掉手机，或者更好的是，留在上面，因为有时候你关机，它其实没关。
它在骗你。

**01:08:42**
所以留在上面，对吧？
你自己下去。
然后我已经用三用表测过，基本上在五到六层以下，几乎没有电磁波。
这会成为新的Ray Peat聚会点，像在这些停车场深处的地下。

**01:09:00**
是的，它们全是混凝土。
所以我想基本上它们挡住了几乎所有能挡的东西。
我想唯一不好的就是因为汽车尾气比空气重，你实际上会倾向于去更低的层。
但你不必在最底层。
像，如果有七层，你可以在第六或第五层，仍然没有电磁波，空气会很干净。
明白了。

**01:09:22**
好的，最后一次呼叫电话，否则我们可能会结束。
所以，Kinogen Progesti为Catherine的筹款。
我的意思是，你可以买到最好的孕酮，或者你可以在kinogen@gmail.com给她捐款。
我敢肯定Ray会感激这个。
你知道，如果你想以某种方式回报他，给Catherine寄钱会很好。

**01:09:44**
或者你可以通过买一瓶孕酮得到一些回报。
对男性来说，服用太多孕酮可能会导致阴茎麻木效应。
所以如果你注意到它有好处，建议与DHEA混合。
这样可以——我不知道。
它可以完全抵消。
如果剂量至少是5毫克，通常完全抵消阴茎麻木。
事实上，有些人给我发

**01:10:08**
邮件说DHEA阻止了孕酮的阴茎麻木效应，但与孕烯醇酮一起使用，实际上有增强阴茎的效果。
他们都跑去开始在那儿涂东西。
但，你知道，他们说如果你结合DHEA。
所以DHEA单独没有这个效果。
孕烯醇酮单独也没有。
但两者结合增加了松弛长度。
明白了。

**01:10:32**
明白了。
好知道。
在你的地堡里要记住这个。
嗯，也许明年四集中的一集会从地堡里播出。
你有什么想聊的吗？
Ideal FCC或其他你在做的事？

**01:10:48**
我的意思是，只是，我不想说，这是一集关于Ray的。
也许我们可以，我们就先放着。
我们只是电话不够。
好的。
我们可以下次再聊。
好的。
这样，我想我们就先结束了。
还有什么关于Ray的？

**01:11:03**
我的意思是，他很受欢迎，兄弟。
我得给你看这些保加利亚小组里所有的聊天。
我的意思是，你能看懂一些，因为他们把保加利亚语和英语单词混在一起，尤其是术语，因为术语是英语的，像糖酵解或脂肪酸氧化。
保加利亚语里没有直接翻译的术语，所以他们用英语的，所以……

**01:11:26**
是的，非常活跃和高效的小组。
疯狂。
他们翻译了保加利亚公开的所有东西，我想是保加利亚语、俄语，现在还有翻译成希腊语、罗马尼亚语和土耳其语的。
明白了。

**01:11:42**
是的，我的意思是，我对他的受欢迎程度不惊讶。
我的意思是，变得绝对疯狂。
再次，我认为这很前卫。
这很尖端。
所以人们非常被吸引。
确实。
所以他们必须进步，这就是他们能跳上的下一个东西。
但

**01:11:56**
那是前沿，之后，就像一旦你了解了Ray，Ray之后没有东西了，之后全靠你自己，你能把地平线推多远。
是的，我完全同意。
好的，我想我们就结束了。
非常感谢大家。
我们有很多人在看。
Progesti，发送邮件给Catherine，邮箱是kinogen@gmail.com，或者你可以通过PayPal在kinogen@gmail.com发送你想捐的任何金额。

**01:12:18**
还有什么可说的？
最好的之一，你知道？
能和他聊这么多，真的觉得自己是世界上最幸运的人。
就像Dodie在第一个电话里说的，我的意思是，觉得自己是地球上最幸运的家伙能和他交流。
所以……

**01:12:35**
我想有人开了个玩笑——我们应该早点开始做这些播客。
嗯，那——我的意思是，那是我的问题，但我没办法——就像人们总是问为什么不让Georgie和Ray一起？
我说，不，让Georgie的播客是Georgie的，Ray的播客是Ray的。
我对此感觉非常强烈。
你没法逼我——不是逼，但你没法——

**01:12:59**
说服我做别的。
然后有一天我突然觉得，让Georgie和Ray一起上播客可能是个好主意。
然后我们就做了。
我想是《Gender of Energy》第19集，嗯，

**01:13:08**
效果还不错。
我只是说，你知道，就像，如果我们早点开始这个会更好。
哦，当然。
或者至少我认为会更好。
我很固执。
所以，就像，但是的，我完全同意，但它发生在那个时候。
我的意思是，发生在——
只是因为我们会有更多机会问他，你知道，关于事情的问题。
是的。

**01:13:29**
我的意思是，有些集我就像，你有什么想和他聊的吗？
我记得我们俩都说，我们已经问了他所有可能的问题。
不，有一期播客他说，嘿，我让你来问他。
然后我基本上开始了，我做了……

**01:13:45**
纯粹的Georgie，就是我问的每个问题都和前一个完全无关。
他也跟着回答了。
我之后想问他，Ray，这烦人吗？
你觉得这很神经质吗？
或者你觉得这是精神障碍的迹象吗？
但他似乎觉得没问题。
所以我想我们做得不错。
我……

**01:14:03**
我的意思是，我很肯定他喜欢那种不连贯的、随机的想法。
嗯，它们不是随机的。
我的意思是，它们是一个引发另一个，因为它让我想起了什么。
它们只是不像，引用你的话，它们不是，另一个是什么？

**01:14:24**
连贯性和凝聚性。
好的。
它们是连贯的，但不凝聚。
所以是的。
就像是同步性。
所以我试着做同步性，但用问题的方式，换句话说，当我问一个问题，如果那个问题让我想起别的东西，我就会接着问那个。
所以它绝对是由前一个触发的，不一定是主题相关的。
是的。
像亚特兰蒂斯存在吗？
你对比特币怎么看？

**01:14:48**
完全明白。
明白了。
明白了。
是的，完全是我们播客的典型对话风格。
嗯，好的，就这样，我们就结束了。
我们不会等太久再做一期，但，嗯，再次，我想我们可能会每年都这样做，因为我觉得这会有疗愈效果，但，嗯，感谢所有打进电话的人，绝对精彩的电话，你知道，

**01:15:14**
而且，是的，祝你们这周余下的时间愉快。
谢谢你，Georgie，抽出时间做这个。
谢谢所有观众。
我们有绝对了不起的观众，对未来很期待。
有时候。
好的，大家。
不管我们想不想，都会很激动人心。
是的，是的，我们会，是的，是的，这是一种说法。
是的。
好的，朋友们。
很快再聊。
非常感谢。
再见。
再见，Ron。

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Um, let us know if you guys can hear us and everything is okay. I think it is, but I just want to make sure. Okay. We'll keep going. Um, yeah. So what, I mean, what was this year like for you? I mean, you, like you, you got to a level of popularity. That's just absolutely insane. I mean, you were interviewed by so many, uh, high, high prominent people. And so, I mean, just spreading the message. Absolutely. Incredible.

I'll say, I mean, as far as spreading the message, I think that's good, but I don't particularly enjoy the popularity because, of course, it's a double-edged sword.

You know, my email was almost unusable even before that. And now I'm getting basically flooded with emails from everywhere saying, hey, you know, I heard you cure cancer. You know, here's 10 pages of my personal medical history. Why don't you help me out here? So, yeah, I mean, I think it's good that the I guess the bioenergetic principles are becoming more widely known.

I think one of the first signs that we saw that was that, was that Ben Shapiro? And what was his name? Siko? Like when they were… Yes, it was Ben Shapiro. Yeah. And then, you know, the fact that he's on the P diet, and I think he said it, I think that speaks a lot. A lot of people didn't like that. But to me, you know, when it comes to the, you know,

To spread the message, I don't think that there's such a thing as bad publicity. I think Ray kind of fell along the same lines. He didn't have a problem going on podcasts that he did not necessarily agree with the people who were hosting them or even the ones he was debating. But as long as that spreads the message, I think it's ultimately a good final effect.

So who cares if it's Ben Shapiro who ends up making – bringing hell to the masses or not. Maybe it will be the ultimate irony. People that – one of the most disliked people may be capable of doing a lot for humanity just by spreading the message. Was there any – like not that you need Ray to tell you anything, but was there any – like I definitely –

found myself cleaning my kitchen or something and then being like, oh man, I'd love to ask Ray this question or that question. Oh yeah, all the time, all the time. But I mean, you know, but as soon as I would think that, I will basically be like, okay, I need to, I mean, I need to rely more on myself, even though I will be wrong more often than not. You know, I will check with on Ray's website or even the forum about something that he may have said. But I, you know, now that there's the peat pot, right?

And I'm trying, I mean, I'm not using it, even though it's a good thing. I think people should use it. I myself, I'm trying to basically kind of like be more on my own.

And I think it would be best for everybody if they try to be more on their own because I think the knowledge is out there. And for the ones who won't, there is plenty there to basically be able for them to stand on their own feet. Of course, there will always be the ideal situation where you can ask the master for more guidance. In other words, people more experienced than you. But we don't always have that luxury, and that's just how life unfolds.

Yeah. How was your, your other, like, was the busyness like a hindrance to any, all the stuff that you needed to do or was it just all positive or what?

Oh, no, no, definitely not all positive. That's why I mean, like, there's a lot of people pushing me like, hey, let's expand the business. You know, you need 10 more partners. We're going to pour millions into your company. And to me, you know, I say, no, of course. Why not? You know, you can make a lot more money. I didn't start this to make money to start. I mean, it should be self-sufficient, right? But I'm not doing this strictly for the money. I have my other job for that.

And I wanted to remain more like a hobby, more spontaneous, more unstructured, you know, situations where I can basically innovate more because as soon as other people get involved, especially if other people's money get involved,

You're basically hindered. And there's nothing wrong with it. It's just that it will become a much more business-centric activity, and I don't want that. I've seen actually several other companies that started very kind of like innovative and thinking out of the box, especially in the health business, kind of crash and burn as soon as they started attracting other more powerful and savvy investors. Got it.

Yeah, so it made me even busier with all the invitations. I had to start declining a lot of them because there's simply no way to do these things. And also, I think that for a lot of people…

Like I said, the information is already out there. And I would like to continue the podcast with you because I kind of like the – it's like what keeps me sane. But I'm not looking for more popularity. And now that I'm being invited by Dr. Mercola and Dr. Saladino, that's plenty for me. In fact, it's a bit too much.

So I would like to keep it there. If CNN calls tomorrow, I will probably decline their request for interview. Well, gender of energy four times a year is going to get you very popular. It's funny because every year I think I say I'm going to make a lot more this next year. And if anything, it's been less and less of a buy. Hey, did I send you the link that this is on IMDb? I mean, like who's the other podcasts are not. You're definitely popular. Yeah.

Are you sure it's not just scraping? You wrote yourself into the history books. How about that? Okay, I think we have a first caller here. We do. Okay, guys, just before I take this first call, please keep it short and just say whatever you want about Ray. And then also, please no health questions. I have a deal with Georgie. We're not going to do health questions, and I'll just have to move along.

And then also, I didn't even tell you this, Georgie, but I think of this as like a fundraiser for Progesti, Keenogen. And so every… I like that. Yeah, so you can order Progesti from Catherine at keenogen at gmail.com and you can form a relationship with her and she'll send you a PayPal requisition form. You pay it and then she'll ship it out. And if you don't need Progesti, you're swimming in Progesterone already. I think you could just PayPal Keenogen at Gmail as well. That's her PayPal.

And I would- - Thanks for reminding me. I didn't know if she accepts donations, but you know, that's the PayPal account. I will send her some money after the show. - Yeah. And you could donate on here, but I'd recommend against it because YouTube takes a fat percentage about it. Like, “Oh, I'll send all those to Catherine.”

But again, she did not ask me to do this. I'm just kind of doing it. But yeah, so happy to take the first call. Whoever just called, you guys can obviously call back. Okay, here we go. Have you been in touch with Catherine or anybody else? I have not. One day. But I have talked to her very close friend, Dodie. Not her close friend, Ray's close friend. Oh, my headphones almost went back. Okay, never mind. Okay, let's talk to this first caller. And guys, the screen is going to be messed up all the time. Hey, caller, you are on there. What's up?

Wow. Can I just say a little dedication to Ray? Hey, Danny, it's Dodie. It's Dodie. Hey, Dodie, how long did you know Ray for? Oh, for about 20 years.

The floor is yours, your royalty here. Okay, well, I just wanted to say I know so many people admired Ray so much for all that he did and his knowledge, his vast knowledge. But I'd just like to sort of dedicate my little speech here to the friendship that I had with Ray, that Ray was an underdog.

unbelievable friend to me and supported me through so much over the last well 20 years the death of my husband the death of my son losing my eyesight he was just amazing and I talked to him every day for years I look forward to three o'clock in the afternoon when I could talk to Ray and he could support me so I just wanted all of you to know what a human being he was and

that he graced this world with his presence. I just will never forget that. So thank you, Danny. You're going to start the waterworks pretty early here. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, what was that like just having, I mean, there's so few people I talked to over the years that had such unprecedented access to him. And obviously he was your friend, but it must have just been so incredible to bounce ideas off of him so regularly.

my own health, of course, and my family, but he helped me with my finances. He helped me with getting a perspective on the world, world history, world politics. And remember, we were in the same generation. We were both born before World War II, and that sort of brought us together. He was like my older brother, and we talked about the past and what the world was like, as you know, a

very often Ray would refer to many years ago. And it just was really, really special. But then I could always ask him questions if I needed him. But it just…

I really got to know him and I just know that a lot of people saw him as a scientist. And I also spent a week with him, which, which was really special in New Mexico. And I'll never forget the smile on his face when I got out of the car, um, and the big hug and the, just the patience of the man to sit here, uh,

I mean, we were with him, a group of us, for about eight hours a day, and he just never got tired. He never lost his patience. And that was the other thing, Danny. He was so patient. No matter what happened in my life, he listened. There was never a criticism from him. So…

I just can't say enough. I really can't say enough. And I knew that many of you did stay in touch with him and emailed him, but I just feel forever privileged to have had that friendship.

When did you realize there was something different about him? You know, like again, I like generationally, like I definitely met, never met or talked to anybody even close to him. But was that common for your generation to find somebody of his character or was that even unique for your time?

Oh, I think it was. I don't quite get the question, Danny, but were you asking when did I realize how special he was? Was that your question? Yeah. Like, was it upon meeting him and just really thoroughly talking to him? Like, like, for example, his validating and not criticizing, like, I guess, was that instantaneous when you were talking to him that you just realized he was not like everybody else?

Oh, yeah. So what happened was I found him online through the Weston Price Foundation. He had a little debate with somebody there, and I called him, and I knew the minute I talked to him he was the right person to help me.

And I just had a faith, a trust in him from the very first time I talked to him. His voice, his somehow or other, his knowledge without throwing it in your face, he was always kind. He understood so many things, but he didn't come across as the expert ever.

So I would say our generation probably was definitely more patient. The world has changed a lot. But I mean, all of you know what kind of a man he is and what he did and how he sacrificed his life to help people. Right.

But I think our generation probably is a little bit more like that, more patient, more understanding. And also it's always, you know, person to person. It wasn't texting. It wasn't emailing. But, yeah, no, I realized instantly, Danny, my first conversation.

So many questions for you, but is there any outstanding story about him or anything else that you just want to impress upon the people listening about like who he was or anything like that?

Well, so many funny things because, you know, we got talking about how he traveled and what he did. And he had, you know, before Catherine, he traveled around with his girlfriends. And so I always get a kick out of that. But I can't think of any special story about him. It was just…

Well, you know, I will tell you, I called him at midnight after my son, Billy, had had a seizure. And he picked up the phone, and I was practically hysterical. My son had had a stroke and a seizure, and he stayed with me on the phone almost the whole night.

supporting me and helping me through it. And we did end up calling the ambulance, but he was there for that whole thing for me. And that was just the most amazing thing that I've ever been through, to have somebody like that to support me through probably one of the toughest things I've ever been through. So…

Remember all that he did for everybody, but remember what a special friend he could be. Yeah, you're going to make me cry, but that incredible thing. I know, I'm about to cry too, Danny. I am.

Well, maybe I am crying, Danny. Dodie, hey, appreciate you. Thank you for sharing that. And again, I really appreciate you just as a person. And thanks for that. Thank you. I appreciate you too, Danny. Thank you for letting me share my thoughts. Pleasure as always. Bye. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye. Yeah. Dodie, I talked to Rob Turner and Emma Sarakis yesterday.

And so like a long time ago on like face that fate rate peak kind of like grew out of Facebook. There used to be lots of arguments and things on the, in the health world. Like the rate people used to argue with like Alan air gun and all these, um, not the Ellen air gun is a low carb person, but other low carb people. And I remember, uh,

I would get in these mega threads with Rob Turner and be arguing with somebody and then Rob would get into some mega thread arguing with somebody and then we'd ask each other for backup. And then Emma Sirakis was doing her. There was just like a few people that were really into Ray, maybe circa, I don't know, 2011 and 12. And then there were a lot of people that had been studying his work but hadn't been like talking about it. They're just individuals studying his work.

And so I got invited into a, like a closed Facebook group of about 30 people that were just like absolutely loved him. And it was, um, I mean, I didn't understand anything. There was a guy named Cliff who was a surfer, like significantly younger than I was. And I had to ask him what glycolysis was like, literally no clue what it was because I was like, man, I better try to figure out what glycolysis is because yeah, Ray's always talking about it and I don't know what it is. Yeah.

- That was before podcasting, so I think that's at the time Facebook was probably the primary venue for doing these things more socially. And then podcasting became a thing and I think now it's like podcasting is king, at least for the foreseeable future, so we'll see what happens afterwards.

Maybe AI will basically take over and destroy the internet as we know it. So now we have to go back to analog communications. Maybe we have to start calling each other. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. Guys, the phone, the line is open. So 1-615-307-0754. Happy to take another call if anybody wanted to call. But that's a good one. Go ahead, Georgie.

No, I was going to say like another indication that he's becoming mainstream. These two that somebody send me a link that I forward to you said some people that were really big on like fasting and intermittent fasting, like announced to their followers that they quit. You know what? Can you save that thought? Let's take, let's take this. I want to, I want to continue on what you're saying. I just don't want to lose this phone call. Okay. Okay. Caller, you are on there. What's up? Hi, Danny. My name is Patty Lermer. Hey, Patty.

to raise work. And I've been working, I've had the privilege of working with Dodie since 2000, or actually for a very long time, but starting with raised work in 2009. And then I also had the privilege of living with Dodie for a little over a year. And I

was able to listen to her conversations with Ray. And he helped me so much. I was going through a lot of stress in my life, from divorce to losing a child. And then I developed asthma. And he was always…

willing to answer my questions through email or even by phone. So I just wanted to share my experience and how appreciative I am of his work and for Dodie mentoring me through the hard times. Absolutely incredible. Thanks for that, Patty. Appreciate it. Thank you. And please, everybody, support

Catherine and donate to Kenogen and Progest E is a lifesaver. So go ahead and make those donations. Preach on. Thank you, Patty. Thank you. Thanks for saying that. Thank you, Danny. Okay. We got another call. Hey, thanks guys. Appreciate it. We have a lot of people listening. Yo-Yo, what's up? You're on there. What's going on?

Hi, I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area and I want to share a memory that I have of Dr. Pete. I was fortunate enough to be with him for several years, once a week, and it was definitely an honor that I didn't deserve to have. But I want to share…

probably the most memorable conversation I've ever had with him, which happened like two months before he passed away. I have a heart to want to help families in the autism community as I'm currently doing some work with a foundation locally in the Bay Area.

And I told Dr. Pete, I said, gosh, it's so sad what's happening to these families because a lot of times they're really needing to focus all of their full effort on their child who's been impacted. And I do think I've heard some real stories about vaccine injuries and how that's led to autism, like parents have shared with me, a night and day difference.

at a young age. And so I said, Dr. Pete, I said, I wish these families could be helped more nutritionally or with supplements. And I don't have the courage to spread truth in that. And I wish I had the courage to, but I said, can I, you know, um, send them your way and send them your email address. And he graciously said, um, I'm, I'm a bit busy with that, but I think, um, he, he

He basically said when I told him I didn't have courage, this is what really struck me. He basically said it's not about a question about how much courage you have. And it's not a question about how strong you are. It's really about what needs to get done and what's right. And I was shocked when I heard that because it made me think that's definitely his message.

his essence and how he's been able to spread so much truth and make such a huge difference. Like he clearly just has a conviction to want to help people, the people that have been suffering from everything that's happened to us, whether, whether it's from the medical industry or, or whatnot. So I was just blown away by that. Thanks for that caller. Is there anything else you wanted to say?

Yeah, I just want to share that I thought about Dr. Pete. I heard Pastor John MacArthur share this about men and their role in society. And he's a pastor in Southern California that stayed open during the whole time during COVID and was threatened to get arrested. And he said he'll just start a jail ministry if he gets arrested. But he said,

Men are the protectors and the purifiers of society who reduce evil and produce good. And true manliness is bound up in the word courage. Courage is a virtue that marks a real man, truth, conviction, and courage. And that again, just made me think about Dr. Pete and just everything that he's done and

Anyway, I want to thank you for having a memorial show for him. And I just think it's beautiful because it's been a devastating loss. And we need to preserve his memory and his true essence and the hero that he was. Well said. Thank you. Thanks for that. Appreciate it.

Man, these are some good calls. I'm so sorry, George. Continue your thought. Well, I was going to follow up on that call, but there's this famous expression that all that it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. She's right about that. We need more good men like Ray.

Yeah, man. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff we don't know about. You know, if like the CIA was following him and stuff and the FDA had contacted him, I'm sure he got into some sticky situations. You can assume that they were. Remember, do you know the story about Hemingway? How he basically like, they gaslighted him that he's being paranoid and they say that FBI is following him.

And then after he died and they basically released these files to result, FBI was following him and was surveilling him all the time because he actually tried to be a Russian agent, I think like in the early 50s. And it was right around the time where McCarthyism was basically at its peak. So Hemingway was heavily surveilled. And in fact, some people think that that paranoia led to him basically ultimately committing suicide. Oh, wow.

So, you know, if Ray, I would say being a bigger of bigger potential for disruption than Hemingway, especially with his Blake College in Mexico and the views that he was promoting, which are largely, I guess, the intellectual equivalent of LSD.

You can bet that they had somebody on him. And I think he said in a couple of his articles that the people that he met in Mexico, some of them were like way too – they had a lot of financial resources without being employed. And they were very interested in what he's doing. And ultimately, as we know, Blake College got subverted, which I think was probably a thriller agency job. Hey, are you still there?

Yeah. Oh, sorry. I thought the whole thing just went down for a second. That was scary. I interrupted you last time, but you were saying something that was important. Oh, yeah. Somebody sent me a link about these people. I don't know them. I actually not very… I don't follow the health community much.

I'm busy enough with my other things. But apparently two people that are very famous in the fasting world, intermittent fasting and chronic fasting, they basically told their followers that they're done with this because it's just not working for them and they're moving back to a normal diet that's heavier actually on carbs and lower on fat.

And you respond back saying like, oh, that's huge. Like that one guy, like you said, basically he's really big in that community. I don't know either one of them, but because it's a testament that more and more people are – because there's not much left, right? They've tried like the low-carb, right? They've tried the high-protein. They've tried everything except the high-carb, low-fat, and low-PUFA diet, and I think that that's the only information that we're seeing that people are adopting it. Yeah, something I've been thinking about is how –

Everybody in the health world, they want to be progressive. They want to move forward. And so if you're in like the low carb or the carnivore space, you are kind of handicapped because you can't really move too forward with that idea because it's so clunky and it's so shallow and like the depth, you know.

But Ray, as he gets more popular or bioenergics or whatever, like there's so much depth, you know, like you can explain personality and thinking pattern. You can explain absolutely everything. And and so if if if there's a natural tendency in the health world for people to be progressive and to want to explain things, they will naturally understand.

move towards Ray or bioenergetics or whatever. And so I can, I already see that with Saladino with the guy that I mentioned is Thomas DeLauer. And, and again, I just think it will naturally happen because, because. Well, until the feminist, the feminist movement gets a hold of his book from PMS to menopause, female hormones in context. I had several very high, very angry feminists tell me that this is such an insulting title. Yeah.

It reduces women to nothing but hormones. And I said, well, I'll give you a copy of the book. Would you read like, hell no, we won't. And they thought like the person who would write it would be like a traditional male chauvinistic pig. I said, no, nothing of the sort. It's the original feminist. Well, you guys are what we call feminazis. But anyway, so…

We'll see if these ideas get adopted, get wider distribution. Because now I'm getting some pushback, I think you saw that, of that doctor who basically said that, oh, Dr. Pete and these other people, including Georgie and Dr. Mercola, they're talking against estrogen. And here's why estrogen is great. We're moving back to estrogenic HRT. Yeah.

So, yeah, we'll see. I think we're going to get a pushback on that part at least. But even that isn't terrible, basically, if you look at the evidence. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah, I mean, the guy thought that women were the evolutionary future of the race, you know. But he had told me a long time ago, I think this might have been before. By the way, guys, line is open. Please feel free to call. He had told me that when he was on a tour, like he was on a tour for talking in grocery stores, I think.

I don't know the context. A tour for talking in grocery stores. Yeah, yeah. That was like something that health people used to do, I guess. Oh, wow. That's awesome. I don't know if anybody could do this in modern days. In Southern California, you could sometimes see, there was like a little section in a mother's market, which is like a hippie grocery store.

And they'd have people talk in like books, authors and stuff. But anyways, he had told me that some a woman tried to attack him one time. Oh, I. But yeah, understanding that estrogen is like essentially a stress hormone in both men and women. And it's not the hormone of femininity would be pretty important in that situation.

What that podcast that you talked about, that article is not going to be out for a long time. I think, is there anything you want to say about it? Which one? Remember we, so the Jay and Mike podcast, that is, I have no clue when that's going to come out. Did, is there anything you, are you getting messages about it or anything? No, not yet. I mean, but you know, but I'm getting other messages. Basically like the flow of messages really now is basically, Hey, help me with this problem. And,

and, uh, I'm trying to figure out a polite way of telling people that like, I simply cannot, unlike Ray, I got other things going on. I'm not saying that he had nothing to do. I'm sure he was very busy, but that was his job. Well, mine is actually something else. So I don't really, I can't really, you know, answer and provide direct personal advice. Can I bounce an idea off of you? If you message people back and tell them you can't answer their email, sometimes that makes people really mad. Like what about just not answering them? Uh,

You know, I do that, but I've also noticed that if I don't answer it, periodically they'll keep bugging me. So I would rather risk of like basically a person getting mad initially, right? And then hopefully that over time will subside because honestly I've done nothing wrong versus like getting that email from the same person over and over again. And sometimes they'll get really creative. Got it. They'll like create multiple accounts and spam me. They'll call from different numbers. Yeah.

Not because not responding is the universal sign. I don't have time for your message or I can't. But they also think like, Oh no, he's really busy. Maybe my email got into between 400 others. So he just didn't see it. So let me send it 400 times and then it will really stick out. I kid you not. I've had situations like that. So yeah, I don't think there's any right way of handling this basic. Some, some people will simply get offended and I'm sorry, but, uh,

I got my own life and other things going on and I do what works for me. Perfect timing. Okay, here's a call. Hey, what's up? You got to turn off that audio. What's going on? Hey, Danny. Hey, Georgie. It's Nate Lawrence. I just wanted to call and say it's just…

really just so cool seeing where things are going with uh ray's work um it's just it's cool to be able to interact with you guys and stuff like that but um i i really think just like as we're looking back at things like really ray was able to generate just so so much um

just energy and order in life. You know, essentially I think just structure at a physical and spiritual level. And I think his accessibility and, you know, just willingness to help others and essentially just liberates flow of energy, um, like protect life. Um, essentially I think like, um,

what he did for the view of energy and consciousness is just, it's something you can't really comprehend. You know, it's just like, how was this one guy able to turn life towards just higher energy, you know, just away from darkness, essentially there is really a divine energy to it. Yeah. I think Ray kind of embodied the youthful state, you know, I think,

faith and the flow of energy is really what defines Ray. And it's just amazing to see that everything sort of spirals upwards from that understanding and already just seeing where the community is going. It's just beautiful. So I just thank you. I appreciate you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, Nick Stumphouser had sent me the remembering Ray thing that Adolph Peetler had put on Twitter. And yeah,

It's just like a funny guy on Twitter. But but I I listened to it and I just couldn't believe how how intelligent everybody was like talking, you know. And so, I mean, if if that group of people, you know, and the other people on Twitter are kind of the future of the repeat stuff, I think I think we have a lot to look forward to.

Because, I mean, it feels like all this stuff is just getting started. And it was just person after person that was talking that was, I don't know, highly relatable. And I don't know, there's just something about everybody that talked I thought was, I was amazed at how intelligent everybody was. But yeah, thoroughly enjoyed that.

Yeah. I, again, I just, I appreciate it. Hopefully, you know, we'll be able to interact, uh, Georgie and Danny, um, more in the future. So thank you guys again. Thank you for holding this. Cool brother. Talk to you soon. Yeah. So Nate, uh, part of the new Zoomer repeat squad.

Yep, young guy. Very nice. Very bright. I forgot to tell you, Ray Pitt is becoming huge in Bulgaria. All of his books have been trusted in Bulgarian, and all of his newsletters have been trusted in Bulgarian, and there is a book about him that was recently written, and I wrote the foreword to it in Bulgarian. Holy shit. So I can send you the links, basically, but there's about 100,000 strong Facebook group about Pete Harris in Bulgaria. 100,000?

- Oh my God. - And that's a tiny country, right? It's like seven million, so it's not a small number in terms of basically just the percentage of people there. And they're attracting more people. I think there's an offshoot from this group because Bulgaria has a lot of people that have a Greek ethnicity and Turkish and Serbian and Romanian, and now these people that are there, they're actually the ones that are of those ethnicities. They're starting their own groups in the respective countries. So raping is huge in the Balkans.

So, you know, hopefully we'll, you know, we'll keep spreading the word. That's insane. A hundred thousand people. That's, that's like, that's more than the rate Pete form, isn't it?

As members, yes. But as visitors, I don't know. I think it's like only the Rapid Forum admin knows the visitor stats, but you can kind of get an estimate. I think the Rapid Forum is pretty popular too. But the Facebook group of 100,000 members, I don't know of any other group beat-focused or bioenergetic-focused that has that many members. Got it. Okay, here. Let's take another call. Okay, caller, you are on the air. What's up?

Hey, Danny and Georgie, it's Trevi. Hey, Trevi, what's up? Don't make me cry again, Trevi. What are you trying to do here?

Oh, my gosh. What a show. I wasn't sure I'd be able to call. So beautiful, everything everyone is saying. And Georgie, I wanted to let you know, I told Catherine about your book and told her that you offered to send her a copy and said, but it's in Bulgarian. And…

She said that's fine. She can use Google Translate. Okay. Okay. Just the coffee is a token of our appreciation. Just so she knows, and I just told Danny, there's a Facebook group of 100,000 members in Bulgaria, and it's a tiny country. So Ray Peet is huge in Bulgaria and the neighboring countries right now.

Yeah, yeah, well, I did pass that on to her, your affection and wanting to send that to her, and so she's looking forward to it, so please go ahead and do that. We'll do. Yeah, and she's doing good, and…

I think the thing that comes to mind for me, I was thinking about what to say about Ray, because there's been so many beautiful things said. But my husband Brad and I got to celebrate with Catherine and Ray, Ray's birthday one year. And

It was so much fun. It was in this cafe, and we brought birthday decorations, and we bought Ray a big wheel of Parmigiano-Reggiano. Yeah.

Excellent. And it was huge. And it was so funny because I didn't really think about it ahead of time. It was just like, oh, my gosh, you know, we'll take him a big wheel and he'll have plenty of it. And I never will forget the look on his face when I handed it to him. He was like, oh, wow, this is going to take a while to eat. But.

But it was just a beautiful, wonderful time together. So I'm really grateful that we get to have that time together and just all the conversations and, you know, just getting to spend time with he and Catherine and their love was just, I've said it so many times, it's just the love between them was so inspiring and wonderful.

It was a lovely part of my life, and I'm so grateful for all the things that you all continue to do and all the love that is just in the world because of Ray.

you know, I'm, uh, go in the repeat forum and someone will say, I need help with this. And all these people help them and they're giving and loving and caring. And that's such a beautiful way to honor Ray. It's like people are continuing that flow of energy. So he will, he will be eternal because of that. So, um,

Anyway, I'm really, really grateful for this show. Grateful for you, Trev. And I say to everybody, Progest-E is fabulous. Yes, it is fabulous. It is. Yep, I use it every day, and so does my husband, and so does probably every single friend I have now. So it's good stuff. Anything else that you want to say, Trevon?

No, just that, you know, I really want to reiterate how happy Ray was for the time that he got to spend with the two of you. You know, I remember one conversation in particular, and he said, it's really fun to be with those guys. So he really enjoyed himself when he was with you. He was always…

happy about it. So, and I think he said once to me something about that he was excited to have the kind of conversation that it was good questions and he really enjoyed that.

How is Catherine doing? How is she handling everything by herself? She's doing good. She's doing good. She's got lots of things on her plate, as can be imagined. But she's doing good and, you know, continue to hold her…

And your good thoughts, because she is a beautiful, amazing human being and loving and kind and generous, just like Ray. They were a generous couple. She's doing good. Is everything with the progesterone and ketogen, like, is it overwhelming for her or is it doable? Like, obviously. I don't.

Yeah, I don't think it's overwhelming. I think it's doable, you know, because she'd been doing it for such a long time. So I think she kind of has her system. But as you know, with anyone with grief, you know, when you're grieving, things are harder. And, you know, it was just, you know, just past last week's year, which is always hard. Yeah.

But, you know, I think she's doing fine and looking forward to she has some projects and different things she's going to be doing. So, you know, I think she's looking forward to the future. Yeah. I said this on my social media somewhere, but like Ray wasn't the greatest scientist ever lived. He's one of the greatest people to ever live, you know, and I can't imagine losing that person, you know, just absolutely. I mean, yeah, devastating.

Well, I think we did lose Ray, but I think also Ray is alive in all the love that's out there. You know, his impact is alive. We'll feel him forever. You know, just like you were saying, you

The consensus reality is catching up now. And you have different people who are saying, hey, what is this? Okay, let me really look at this. So that keeps Ray alive. He's eternal. The mind of Ray is very much alive. I can tell you all the people that are talking about him, his ideas are definitely not going away.

No, no, no, no, they're not. And, um, you know, love is eternal. And, you know, Ray was incredibly, incredibly loving. I have a friend who says gracious loving is when you love and you give of yourself in that loving. And Ray was a beautiful example of gracious loving and gracious giving as well as Catherine. And, um,

You know, that's it. It will just multiply. You know, I haven't seen anything out on social media or anything anywhere that has been nothing but love and gratitude and people really being kind to each other. So, you know, I really feel like that's Ray's legacy. You're amazing, Trebi. Thank you so much for calling in.

All right. Well, lots of love to both you guys and look forward to hearing from you even more in the future. Thanks, Trevi. By the way, I'll try to call you this coming week. That would be wonderful. I would love it. I'm looking forward to it. All right. All right. Take care. Lots of love to both of you. All right. Bye-bye. Bye, Trevi. Man, what is up with these 10 out of 10 calls?

Hey, I just want to – I was talking to somebody yesterday, and they were saying that Progest C had soy in it. And I'm almost positive – Georgia, you can expand on this. But doesn't vitamin E have soy – it can be extracted from soybeans, but then you can extract it –

So basically, there may be some residual oils, depending on where you're extracting from, but all of the proteins which are causing the anaphylactic reactions, whether it's soy or gluten, if it's wheat or something in sunflower, if it's sunflower, all that has been removed. And the vendors that are producing the tocopherols, the mixed tocopherols, they're very well aware. In fact, there have been lawsuits, and there's a lot of liability involved with

producing anaphylactic-inducing products, so they are very careful about it. And I'm not aware of anybody who's had an allergic reaction to Progest-E or many, in general, most of the other mixed tocopherols products on the market. So I don't think there's soy in Progest-E. There may be a residual oil from the soybean oil,

But, you know, that's a tiny amount because I think the tocopherols that are used for produce here are 95 to 99 percent concentration. So at worst, you're getting basically about, I don't know, one to four percent residual oils that are from in the soybean oil. But that's not the same as having soy in it. Yeah. This stems from a old thread on the Ray Peat Forum. And it was probably the only time I thought Ray was kind of irritated because somebody had forwarded it.

the thread to him and he basically said it was full of complete nonsense. And so I'm just saying this because these ideas do live on and I just… Literally yesterday somebody was like, doesn't Progesti have soy in it or something? And I think they had gotten that from that thread. But anyways, I mean…

Like, well, you'll be safer using progesterone compared to any other mixed to coffer or product on the market, because at least the progesterone worst case scenario, if there is any kind of a soy residue, the progesterone will probably block the progesterone will negate the anaphylactic reaction versus if you, if the, if it wasn't there. Yeah. I mean, again, in a product that Ray is part of producing is going to be a good product. So, uh,

But also in that thread, I think they had said that Ray disowned the product or something, which was completely false. But…

Anyways. No, he didn't just own the product. In the 90s, from what I understand, he got a letter from the FDA saying, hey, you basically have to stop selling progesterone if you want to keep writing about it. You can't do both. And he said in one of his articles, he asked the FDA to show him the law that basically says that he cannot both sell and write about. They refused, but I think in the interest of avoiding further scrutiny, which I think he already had, knowing that he's been under CIA and FBI surveillance and whatnot, you don't want to

you know, get another three-letter agency on your case. So I think he basically kind of like stopped being involved in the day-to-day production of the product.

and kept writing about it, but Catherine kept producing and selling it. So it's still Ray Zivoma, it's just not directly into the sales and distribution. Yeah, when Ray asked about the law, the FDA just sent him a photo of Wilhelm Reich dying in prison. That was probably their response. Or William Koch in Amazonia, hungry and emaciated, right? What happened to him, I don't know.

No, no, I'm joking. Did they really send him a video? No, I'm joking. Didn't the FDA put Wilhelm Reich in jail and kill him basically? Right, but I was kind of following up on your joke. They may have sent him a photo of William Koch who got exiled. Ah, got it. Into the Amazonian jungle and he spent the rest of his life there. I think he died like in pretty dire straits. Oh, God, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Okay, guys, this show, you know, essentially is for you guys. You know, I just wanted to hear what you thought, you know. You guys hear from Georgie and I pretty often, but welcome to call in. And again, order Progesti by emailing Catherine at Kinogen at gmail.com. Or if you don't need the Progesti, you could just make a donation at Kinogen at gmail.com. And yeah, happy to take more calls. You know what I could talk to you about?

And we could completely off topic, but glucuronidation, does that happen for all fatty acids? Or I thought that was only DHA and possibly EPA. Did it happen for everything? No.

actually it can happen for all fatty acids. So the two major phase two detox pathways are glucuronidation, sulfation, or attaching hydroxyl groups. So basically making a molecule more water soluble. I think the hydroxyl groups is basically for steroids, but of course steroids also get glucuronidated and sulfated. It's really unique to each molecule,

But for the steroids, the major excretion pathways are probably in that order are glucuronidation, sulfation, hydroxylation. While for the fatty acids, I think it's predominantly glucuronidation. I don't think there are any fatty acid sulfates in the bloodstream or the tissues. Because somebody on Twitter had linked a paper talking about glucuronidation of arachidonic acid and maybe, if I remember right, like linoleic acid. I just wasn't aware that that's…

that that happened. I thought it was always specifically DHA, but I guess not. - Like the omega-3 DHA you mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, D-cose hexano. - All PUFs, the predominant way and the safer way of getting rid of them is by liver glucuronidating them.

and basically maybe oxidizing some of them because the liver has one of the highest concentrations of vitamin E. So it's relatively protected, but depending on how much PUFO you flooded with, it can get easily damaged. And that's actually—NAFLD, NASH, and cirrhosis, and even liver cancer are nothing but basically kind of like a spectrum of diseases that indicate for how long the liver has been under this sort of PUFO. Mm-hmm.

And taking vitamin E, I'm sure, I think we discussed the study several times already now in humans, actually can stop this process altogether. I'm not saying you should keep eating the PUFA, but the liver is really the site where the PUFA should be safely turned into a more water-soluble molecule through the glucuronidation.

And then it gets created in the urine. And then the other side of, okay, some of it may get oxidized by the liver. And then the other side where actually they kind of get safely processed is the actual fatty cells. The fatty cells can oxidize a lot of their fat through something called peroxisomes. And basically, but again, that process is only safe if there's a sufficient amount of vitamin E around. Mm-hmm.

So the fatty acids, ideally you want them to stay in the fatty cells, which is what Ray said, right? Keeping lipolysis low. And if they stay there, then over time they'll get processed by this internal oxidation through the peroxisomes. And if they get released through lipolysis, and there's always some baseline lipolysis going on, then you don't want to overwhelm the liver, and then that

Whatever little hypothesis is going on, you want majority of this PUFA to go through the liver and get glucuronidated and excreted for the urine. I don't know how I listened and done like 100 podcasts with you and listened to it for 13 years and didn't pick that up. Pretty sad state of affairs. So things like endotoxin and estrogen are inhibiting glucuronidation? So what, those PUFA are going to the liver and damaging the hepatocytes?

Yeah, and actually I was about to do a post on my blog that the detoxification of endotoxin, the required cofactor for that is calcium. Another reason to eat lots of calcium. There's an enzyme called acyloxyacetylhydroxylase.

And basically, that's the enzyme that in the liver cuts off some of the fatty acids because endotoxin is a combination of lipids and sugars. And then this enzyme cuts off several of the fatty acids from the long chain fatty acid tail that the lipopolysaccharide has. And that basically renders it mostly inactive. It cannot activate TLR4. It cannot increase inflammation. It cannot increase nitric oxide, serotonin, et cetera. But for that enzyme to work, number one, estrogen suppresses it.

So another reason to eat more calcium. Yes, and then estrogen suppresses all of the phase two detox pathways, which is one of the reasons why basically people with high estrogen have trouble processing alcohol. One of the reasons why women get basically, aside from the lower BMI that they generally have compared to males, but they also get drunk more easily. And the reason is that they, on average, they have higher levels of estrogen. And that becomes particularly noticeable with advancing age

because then even though menopause is supposed to be a condition of estrogen deficiency, it's actually the other way around. It's a condition of estrogen excess, and the intolerance to alcohol increases with age in both men and women.

And I think we've talked about this in a different show. They actually try to do this with male rats and notice that castrating the male rats basically got them to get drunk on lower alcohol than the females, the non-castrated females. And then when they gave the rats testosterone, their tolerance to alcohol increased, they returned to normal. And then basically when they, you know, they…

The second group got an aromatase inhibitor or an antigen, non-aromatizable antigen such as dihydrotestosterone, and then the tolerance to alcohol in the rats surpassed that of younger rats.

So it's really estrogen is suppressing all of these pathways, especially the alcohol dehydrogens and the aldehyde dehydrogens, but really all the phase two detox pathways. Estrogen is one of the greatest suppressors. Serotonin does too. And also the PUFA themselves through their estrogenic effects are actually inhibiting their own detoxification.

So really a number of different pathways there. And the bad things are known at basically like promoting their own effects and decreasing their own degradation. And recently I discovered this

I'm shocked that we haven't found it earlier, that cortisone has to promote your own synthesis. And that's something that's a big contention and argument with their head with doctors because they say, hey, if cortisol is the cause of obesity and diabetes, why are we not seeing elevated cortisol in the bloodstream of these people? But then if you look in their tissues, you will see that they have up to

up to 11 times higher expression of the enzyme 11-BETA-HSD1, which is the rate-limiting enzyme for creating cortisol. So just like estrogen, you can have normal, even low levels of cortisol in the bloodstream because it does have a relatively well-working negative feedback mechanism unless you have Cushing disease, but you can have tremendously high amounts of cortisol

11 beta HSD1 and does cortisol in tissues. And in fact, basically cortisol was found to promote the expression of 11 beta HSD1, which means that when you, I mean, and the classic example was, for which I already found studies, is that when you're exercising, right, you're losing the weight because of the extra calories you're burning through stress.

But simultaneously while this is going on, you're turning your peripheral tissues, you're making them ridiculously insulin resistant and basically and hyper glucocorticoid. And the moment you stop your exercise, then no matter what calorie that you eat, even if you go on very low fat diet, chances are you're going to get a tremendous amount of weight. I experienced this myself. It could take years to normalize. And in some cases, at least the animal studies have demonstrated that if the expression is actually of the

of 11-bet-HSD1 is increased, you may need to take some kind of an anti-cortisol drug, which is progestin, progesterone or one, to normalize things. And I dug further, found out that progesterone does decrease not only the activity of 11-bet-HSD1, but also promotes the activity of 11-bet-HSD2, which detoxes, deactivates cortisol. And finally, progesterone decreases the expression of 11-bet-HSD1 back to normal.

So, really, truly the anti-stress, anti-cortisol hormone, the active one in the human body is, and the safe one, is progesterone. Second one, just as potent but dangerous, is DHEA. And the reason I'm saying DHEA is because it easily converts to cortisol. And I think pregnenolone also has decent anti-cortisol effects, but much higher doses are required. Yep.

Yeah, I think there's a drug called Trilostane that inhibits 3-beta-HSD2. And it causes the precursors, pregnenolone, progesterone, and DHD to accumulate. And that's therapeutic, obviously. Yeah, guys, hey, call in the show. I'll probably just chit-chat with George and probably end it. But yeah.

I was going to mention this year has been kind of like the year of DHEA. Like every year, I think I appreciate some substance more than I did maybe the years prior. Because you acquire new knowledge and then you go back to it and you look at it through new eyes, right? So you have more knowledge how to use it properly. Yeah, exactly. But, but DHEA is funny because almost invariably over the last 10 years, I would say it more erred on the side of negativity. Like it would cause like a,

like panic or just anxiety or something like that. But again, it might physiology just changes over years, but it's, it has super noticeable, like pro sleep effects, super noticeable pro dream effects. And I've even tried a being the progesterone with DHA and without, and the DHA always makes it significantly better. And yeah,

And then the calmness in the morning time. So again, maybe this ties in with the hell 2023 dog year that I had with literally dogs. The key is not to take too much as a single dose because the intestinal cells very quickly converted to DHA sulfate, which is a very potent GABA antagonist. And anything GABA antagonist is going to give anxiety. Got it. Okay. Well, we'll probably wrap things up here.

I don't know. We haven't talked since the Israeli-Palestinian thing. Do you want to talk about that? Really? Yeah. No, actually, before that. When was the last time? When we had the… Oh, no, no. That's what I meant to say. Like, we haven't talked. Oh, okay. It happened before that. Yeah. I mean…

I don't know. I mean, not much is going on, man. It's just kind of like this insanity in the air. I'm looking at the stock market. Everything's exploding. People are saying this is – I guess we're either looking at hyperinflation or I don't know. But nobody seems to care anymore.

I think people have finally adopted, at least around me that I'm seeing in the city here, they've adopted nihilism, for lack of a better word. They just don't care. All they want to do is have fun, and then they don't even care about politics. Even the hardcore Democrats that I sometimes argue with – now, that doesn't mean that people – but of course now I'm really going to label it as a far right. I'm not –

But the Democrats that I argue about politics around here, they just don't want to talk about this anymore. They're like, you know, just leave me alone. I want to go get drunk and do drugs. I don't care about politics. The craziest thing was the DeSantis-Newsom debate.

Like, they're not frontrunners. Why are they debating? Well, somebody said that it may be like a warm-up in preparation for Yusuf to get introduced and basically get, like, you know, step in if Biden decides generously to not run next year or something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's just…

Again, I know I'm the boy who cried wolf at this point, but I mean, if there has ever a year for something crazy to happen, it has to be next year. Like there's no, I mean, we just can't have a normal election. It will have to be something crazy. A lot of people saying there will be no election, right? Or, you know, and before that, if the, if actually they start cutting rates again and printing money, well, here's the thing.

If they cut rates again, that may exacerbate things, but it's not enough. Basically, a lot of companies are under. A lot of banks are under because they're sitting on so-called unrealized losses. They have bonds that have been bought when the interest rates were really low. And basically, now these banks cannot sell those bonds because they're going to get screwed on the pricing. So they actually have assets that have declined in value. So the only way to go forward is through another – yeah. Can you hold that thought? We'll take this call and then finish up. Thank you so much.

Hey caller, you got to mute your audio. There you go. What's up? How are you? Hi. I, I felt like I should call in, um, uh,

Not a whole lot of people were, and I wanted to make sure I have a chance to say something to Ray. And if it sounds scripted, it's because I wrote some notes down while listening to y'all talk. I guess just humbly, I'd like to say that after I found out about Ray a couple years ago,

Some things I'd like to say are that he has made learning fun again for me. And I always feel very curious and open-minded and open-ended when I read his work and I read conversations about his work. Probably most important to me is that he gave me, I guess, the permission to listen to my own wisdom and intuition and not just

I don't know, like be drunk on the authoritarian spirit of the world and just listen to, you know, the intuition within me. I feel like it opened up a whole new world of connections and friends with people with very different histories and unique perspectives. And…

to speak to Ray, not as a God, but as a human. He had many beautiful qualities and I don't even know a fraction of the things I could about him, but many times in the past two years has given me a lot of pause to think before I make decisions and also to, like another caller said, to have the courage to speak the truth.

And if I say any more, I might cry. So I just wanted to share my bit. Man, so well said. I haven't thought about that, but allowing a person to listen to themselves, their intuition, absolutely massive. And I don't know anybody else in the health world or really anybody doing that. So, I mean, I wouldn't have thought about that unless you had said it. But yeah, really, really well said.

Yeah. And to say more to that, just my own personal convictions and principles and beliefs. He's just that like very quiet steadfastness in him. I kind of have taken that on and been able to to stand with similar convictions with, you know, what I believe to be true. So just every day and every year, I'm sure there will be more and more to come.

thank Ray for. Yeah, incredibly well said. Anything else that you wanted to mention? That I love everybody here, you and Georgie, and just the spirit and the connection between everybody is, I wouldn't say I'm a lonely person at all, but I feel very connected when you do these lives. And there's just a hum, like, you know, the hum of everybody, the collective consciousness, it feels good to be part of.

I used to have a, one of my first bosses was a retired special forces soldier and he kept to himself but the little he said was very much like Ray and one day he told me, “Son, don't listen to all these experts around you. They're all trying to sell something or trying to get to control you. At the end of the day, it's all about the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear. And when that little voice says that there is a doubt, then there is no doubt.”

So listen to yourself more and less to the experts. So I agree. I think Ray emphasized this quality in us every time he got a chance to speak. Yes, I totally agree. Thank you, guys. Hey, thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Bye. Bye-bye. There's a Maslow quote, and it's something like when a child is in pain and you say, hello, little Billy, don't feel like that. Be happy.

That's like a form of disrespect to the child or the person. I think it's an abuse because it's a gas form of gaslighting. Number one. And, and it's basically, if you look around us, like the entire culture is set up this way, right? It's basically like they have, didn't he, didn't we had an article about what he said? And I actually seen it several times because I used to work in a,

long time ago, almost 20 years ago, that was basically doing clinical trials and we would go on these rotations in the hospitals. And oncology was the worst, especially the child oncology, because they had these kids that are dying from cancer and then they would bring these clowns, literally and figuratively, and they would do these shows and try to get the kids to laugh. And I always thought, like, what a grotesque situation

scenario and situation like uh these i mean some some of the kids would vomit and the nurses would stream in and give them these bags and we'll say you have this like 20 kids there that dying and vomiting and the clown continues with this presentation and i thought like these people don't need humor or at the very least they're not going to appreciate it now but they kept forcing them and it was considered like one of the one of the you know the biggest achievements this hospital ever did it's just

And forcing people to basically, like, I guess, gaslighting them into telling that, no, you're not dying. That's not how you feel. It's something else. And you're doing fine. Your biomarkers are fine. And, you know, don't believe your lying eyes. But, yeah, so, you know, it's a really, really toxic culture that we're baiting every day.

I don't know if I've mentioned this on here. I've said it plenty of times on calls, but like there were even times that I said something clearly wrong to him, you know, and he just, he didn't even correct me. You know, like he was that validating to where I had something I had in

interpreted something completely incorrect about the world, you know, how the world works. And he never even pointed it out. And then a year later to ask him about it and be like, oh yeah. Like if you didn't ask him a specific question, he wasn't going to interject and tell you you were wrong, you know? - How did you know that it was incorrect? You know, remember he talked about phenomenology and in that field, they basically, they kind of, they basically say, look, you have to give up on the idea of pure objectivity. We're all carrying our biases.

And basically what is correct is largely context dependent. So you may think you were wrong now, but a year from now may turn out to be right. So I think like when, when people are trying to basically evaluate different possibilities, Ray's position was don't force them into a specific pathway and let them find it for themselves. Yeah. I don't think he corrected you because he thought he, like he didn't, he wanted to validate you. I think he, he didn't correct you because first of all, he thought you may have been right, or maybe he didn't think that he was right. Right. And two, um,

What is it called? William Blake said, don't be a negation, right? So when you say like, no, this is definitely wrong, I think you're really stifling up the conversation and kind of giving – like destroying the process of thought and of experience. Yeah, no, I think you're exactly right. I said something akin to like France runs the world. So it was definitely wrong. I would say you're partially right. Yeah.

but uh there are some aspects of france that uh that used to run africa up until very recently i mean they um only recently got started getting kicked out of africa but yeah the french empire definitely lives on at least in the minds of its elite kind of but um yeah you know carrying that ability to validate people you know like um or acknowledging that everybody's on a different path you know especially in the health world but um

Yeah, man. Okay. So a last call for callers here. We've been going for about an hour and I don't want to drag this out any longer than it has to be. I think we've gotten so many good calls. It's absolutely insane. But, um, we were, I don't think we wrapped up the Palestinian Israeli thought.

Well, I think, like I said, we're going to have a hyperinflation or, oh, as I started, so even if the Federal Reserve lowers the interest rates, that's not enough to save all the companies that are under, which means they have to do quantitative easing. They cannot do quantitative easing unless there's another crisis. So we're looking at another crisis one way or another. I don't know what it will be. They're already starting to hype up that new China virus or whatever is going on there.

Could be the Middle East, could be the war in Ukraine. But one way or another, the way the finances is going right now, despite what the stock market is doing, stock market has nothing to do with the economy. Stock market is all about whether the Wall Street believes that the Fed will print. But the Fed cannot print unless there's a crisis. So I think we're going to see another crisis. And they're saying March. They expect March. So something may be happening in March.

Yeah, I have no idea. But I am going to try to build a bunker. So that's my priority right now. Literally. Why do you need a bunker in Mexico? Who's going to come there? I want to build one so I can go down into it if something bad happens. Is it like radiation and stuff? Well, that. But also, I've said this before, but if guys with guns come on this property, I'll be like, oh, fuck, I don't know what to do. Also, I think I'd make it like a little apartment and maybe I'd just live down there.

It's not a very good idea to live underground unless you want to, unless you seal the, unless you seal the entrance and you turn into a naked mole rat. Yeah, exactly. But the, I don't, I would argue it's probably pretty good to do that. Like the, I mean, it would probably be completely EMF proof being under there. Probably. Yeah.

Just take a, I mean, when you do it, please check with a trimeter. Let me know what you find underneath there. - Well, if all goes– - What I used to do and still do to these days basically, when I feel like I've been exposed with too much EMF, and I think I can feel it when it's been too much. Now the new phones are all 5G. There's like 5G towers all over me. You can't really escape it. I go into one of these deep garages that a lot of these buildings here have that are like five, six, seven stories deep.

And when you go all the way down, there's no cell phone coverage. So I turn off my cell phone because when the cell phone doesn't have coverage, the cell phone itself increases its power output. So you go all the way down, you turn off your cell phone, or actually better yet, leave it up because sometimes when you turn it off, it's not off. It's lying to you.

So leave it up somewhere, right? You go down by yourself. And then I've already measured it with a trimeter and basically like there's almost zero EMF at like, you know, five to six, five stores down or more. That's going to be like the new Ray Peet hangout, like deep underground in these parking lots.

Yeah, they're all concrete. So I guess basically they're blocking pretty much everything that can be blocked. And I think the only bad thing is that because there's a car exhaust because it's heavier than air, like you actually tend to go towards the lower levels. But you don't have to be at the lowest level. Like if there's like, I don't know, if there's seven levels, you can be at the sixth or fifth and still there'll be no EMF and the air will be pretty clean. Got it.

Okay, last call for calls, or we'll probably just wrap this up. So, Kinogen Progesti fundraiser for Catherine. And, I mean, you can get the best progesterone, or you could send her a nice donation at kinogen.gmail.com. And I'm sure Ray would appreciate that. You know, if you want to repay him in some way, sending money to Catherine would be good.

Or you could get something out of it by getting a bottle of progesterone. And for guys, you can reach the kind of numb penis effect by taking too much progesterone. And so it is advisable if you notice a benefit from it, like mixing it with DHEA. And that can – and I don't know. It can completely negate it. If the dosage is at least 5 milligrams, it usually completely negates any penis stomach. And in fact, some people send me –

email saying that DHA blocks the penis negating effect of progesterone, but when used with pregnenolone, actually has a penis enhancing effect. And they all go running away and started rubbing stuff down there. But, you know, they said if you combine DHA. So DHA by itself did not have that effect. Pregnenolone by itself did not. But a combination of two increased flaccid length. Got it.

Got it. Good to know. Keep that in mind when you're in your bunker down there. Well, maybe one of the four episodes from next year will be from a bunker. Do you have anything that you want to talk about? Ideal FCC or any other thing that you're doing?

I mean, just, I don't want to say, I mean, this is an episode about a ray. Maybe we can, we can leave it. We just have a deficiency of calls. Okay. We can talk about it next time. Okay. With that, I think we'll anything else about Ray?

I mean, he's very popular, man. I have to show you all the chitchat that's going on in these Bulgarian groups. I mean, you understand some of it because they're mixing Bulgarian with English words, especially some of the terms because the terms are in English, like glycolysis or glycolysis or, I don't know, fatty acid oxidation. There aren't really directly translatable terms in Bulgaria, so they're using the English ones, so…

Yeah, it's very active and very productive group. Crazy. They've translated everything that's publicly available from Bulgaria, I think Bulgarian, Russian, and now there's also translations happening right now into Greek, Romanian, and Turkish. Got it.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not shocked about his popularity. I mean, it's become absolutely insane. Again, I think it's like edgy. It's like it's a cutting edge. And so people are very attracted to it. Exactly. So they have to be progressive and that's the next thing they can jump on. But

That's the frontier like after that. It's like once you get into Ray there is no thing after Ray after it's all you and how much you can push the horizon. Yeah, I Fully agree. Okay, I guess we'll pull the plug. Thank you guys so much We had a lot of people watching Projc email Catherine at Kina Jin at gmail.com or you could PayPal send whatever you wanted at Kina Jin at gmail.com and

And what else is there to say? One of the best, you know? And so fortunate to talk to him so much, you know? Just like Dodie had said in the first call, I mean, just feel like the luckiest guy on the planet to communicate with him. So…

I think somebody had a funny – We should have started doing these podcasts earlier with him. Well, that – I mean that was on me, but I couldn't have – like people had always asked like why don't you get Georgie and Ray? And I was like no, let's keep the Georgie podcast with Georgie and the Ray podcast with Ray. And I felt so strongly about that. Like you couldn't have forced me to do it – not forced, but you couldn't have –

convinced me to do it otherwise. And then just one day I was like, it might be a good idea to get Georgie and Ray on a podcast. And then we did it. The, I think it was gender of energy 19, uh,

- It turned out all right. I'm just saying, like, you know, it's like, it would have been better if we started this. - Oh, of course. - Or at least I think so, it would have been better. - I'm very stubborn. So it's like, you couldn't have, 'cause like, but yeah, I totally agree, but it happened at the time. I mean, it happened around– - Only because we would have had more chance to ask him about like, you know, about things. - Yeah.

I mean, there were episodes where I was like, do you have anything to talk to him about? And I remember both of us being like, we'd asked him every question we possibly could. No, there was one podcast where he said like, hey, I'm going to let you ask him. And then I basically started, I did…

Pure Georgie, which is like I asked every question that had nothing to do with the previous one. And he went along with it. I wanted to ask him afterwards, like, Ray, was this annoying? Do you thought it was psycho? Or like, do you think this is like a sign of like mental disorder or something? But he seemed to be okay with it. So I think we did well. I'm…

I mean, I'm like positive he likes that, like discordant kind of random thoughts. Well, they're not random. I mean, like they were like one did lead to the other because it reminded me of something. They were just not like, what's your quote? They were not, they were coherent, but they were not, what's the other one?

coherence and cohesion. Okay. They were coherent, but they were not cohesive. So yeah. So it's like, it's almost like synchronicity. So I try to do the synchronicity, but in questions, in other words, when I ask a question and if that question reminds me of something else, then I'll ask that afterwards. So it's like, it was definitely triggered by the previous one, not necessarily topically related. Yeah. Like did Atlantis exist? And what do you think about Bitcoin?

exactly got it got it got it yeah exactly that's typical conversation chatter with our podcast um okay with that uh we'll get out of here and we won't wait too long before another one of these but um again i i think we'll probably just do this every year because i i think it would be therapeutic but um thank you to everybody that called in what absolutely fantastic calls you know um

And, and yeah, have a great rest of your week. Thank you, Georgie, for taking time out of your day to do this. And thank you for all the viewers. We have an absolutely incredible audience and excited for the future. Some, sometimes. Okay, everybody. It will be exciting whether we want to be or not. Yeah, yeah, we'll be, we'll be. Yeah, yeah, that's one way to put it. Yeah. Okay, guys. Talk to you soon. Thank you so much. Peace out. Talk to you guys later. Bye bye. Bye Ron. Hey, can you hear me? Can you hear me?

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