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**米哈伊拉·彼得森的成长历程——她如何找到爱情、信仰以及拯救她生命的饮食**

米哈伊拉·彼得森 (Mikhaila Peterson) 讲述了她通过爱、母爱和拯救她生命的独特饮食而实现的转变历程。她也不避讳谈论她和家人面临的强烈批评,以及他们如何学会克服这些批评。

作者:Carmen Schober 2024 年 7 月 16 日

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米哈伊拉·彼得森已经成为家喻户晓的名字,不仅因为她是世界著名心理学家乔丹·彼得森的女儿,还因为她作为一名  拥有超过一百万订阅者的 播客主持人、一位女商人以及一位坚定地倡导将健康掌握在自己手中的倡导者,开辟了自己的道路。

图片来源:Mikhaila Peterson

在经历了痛苦的离婚和单身母亲的生活后,米哈伊拉与 乔丹·富勒找到了第二次爱情的机会。今年,他们迎来了儿子乔治,与姐姐斯嘉丽一起开启了他们人生的新篇章。与此同时,米哈伊拉的影响力也达到了新的高度。

**卡门·舒伯: 您和乔丹·富勒于 2021 年在埃尔维斯的主持下结婚。您怎么知道他是您的真命天子?**

米哈伊拉·彼得森: 我认为我注意到他最大的一点是他让我感到安全。我想我从未经历过一段让我感受到如此强烈“安全”氛围的恋情。和人约会,很兴奋,但同时又有其他的氛围,或者可能有一种危险的氛围,当年轻时,会忽略,诸如此类。但他是我遇到的第一个让我感觉“哇,身上有这种安全感”的人。

所以我注意到了这一点,他非常有干劲。他非常能干。他有惊人的道德准则。他是一名基督徒,而我当时对基督教并不熟悉。但我认为我也从他的安全感中察觉到了这一点。他想要孩子。他想结婚,他很快就明确表示了这一点,这非常浪漫。他很有趣。他很聪明。而且他很帅,所以这很有帮助。

CS: 是的,这有帮助。

MP: 我想,他基本上就是我所寻找的一切。所以这很明显,这就是我们这么快结婚的原因。

**CS: 他什么时候求婚的?**

MP: 我想他认识我三天后就意识到他想娶我。然后就很快了。几周后,我们通电话时,他问我是否想结婚。当时我开车,差点撞车。我列举了一大堆理由,说结婚是个坏主意。

我说:“你不知道自己会遇到什么。首先,我们认识两个星期了。其次,我一直在工作。我和我爸爸关系很亲密,这很奇怪。我不想帮你洗衣服。”我马上就告诉了他。不过,事情已经变了。但一开始,我说:“我不知道你是否想让我成为……

CS: 传统妻子?

MP: 是的,传统妻子。如果这就是他想要的,而我当时想,我不会那么做。但我确实想要孩子和所有这些事情,但我想,“我有工作。我不会就此转为全职妈妈。”所以我试着给他很多理由。我还说,“我离婚了。”这是一个重要的原因。“我有一个孩子。”另一个重要的原因。

当我离婚时,我不知道再开始一段感情有多容易。我想那时我 29 岁,我想我已经有点放弃了。所以我给了他一大堆理由,告诉他这不是一个好主意。他说:“是的,我知道。不过没关系。”

CS: 他这么快就知道了?

MP: 他都知道。无法阻止他。没有什么可以阻止他。

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**CS: 这很快。显然,并不是每个人都会这样,但如果人们诚实的话,这难道不是最好的情况吗?很快就知道?**

MP: 我想是的。我当时已经到了完全不需要隐瞒自己身份的地步。而他,无论出于什么原因,都说了实话,也许这与基督教有关,但他知道自己想要什么。所以我们俩都对彼此坦诚相待。我认为,如果他直接告诉他是谁,就可以省去很多时间去了解对方。

CS: 没错。现代约会中,很多人只是试图猜测对方可能想要什么。都会想,“嗯,我想要这个,你想要那个。这些是同一件事吗?”

MP: 是的,确实如此。这样就省去了很多时间。我们很快就结婚了,但在此之前,我们几乎每天 24 小时都见面。所以,我们并不是随便约会几年来了解对方。我们经常见面。

&gt; 我们俩都坦诚相待。我认为,如果他直接告诉他是谁,就可以节省大量时间去了解对方。

**CS: 是什么促使你们决定在拉斯维加斯结婚的?**

MP: 两周后他就求婚,这让我很吃惊,但我真的很喜欢他,所以这似乎是个好主意。我觉得我也在考验他,就像问他 “有多想要这样?” 之类的。我也觉得和猫王结婚很有趣。后来我们举行了一场盛大的婚礼,邀请了家人和朋友,但他也想快点结婚,因为他是基督徒。我们不想做错事。我们认为这比去法院要好。

CS: 嗯,这些照片很有代表性。你穿着那件漂亮的彩虹色连衣裙,还有猫王的标志。我只是想知道是否有特别的原因,比如你是猫王的超级粉丝吗?

议员: 我喜欢猫王。这肯定起了一定作用。我从小到高中一直听猫王的歌。我知道他所有的歌。所以这确实是一个因素,但我并不是一个狂热的粉丝,我不会说“我需要一个假猫王来帮我结婚。”

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CS: 你喜欢  奥斯汀·巴特勒主演的猫王电影吗?

MP: 我觉得他的经纪人的角色很有趣。我不知道他基本上不能离开美国,而且有点受经纪人的支配。这很可悲。我没想到他的经纪人有这么大的控制力。就像,都知道猫王的故事很悲惨,但那绝对是黑暗的。

**CS: 如果您必须总结一下您对爱情的理解,那么对于那些想要同样爱情的女性,您最好的约会建议是什么?**

MP: 不要急于和任何人上床。这是最重要的。不要到处上床。不要急于和别人上床,列出自己在寻找的东西。我小时候,我爸爸教我写下一份清单,列出自己需要别人具备哪些特质才能建立良好的关系。可以是任何自己想要的,但要在脑子里明确这个想法。然后相信自己的直觉。我认为,当年轻的时候,这一点更重要,因为没有太多与人交往的经验,甚至只是与人共事。相信自己的直觉。

如果在寻找人或吸引人方面有困难,那就努力改善自己。变得更健康,有规律的睡眠,自我教育,提高自己,就会被吸引。

&gt; 我小时候,我爸爸教我写下一份清单,列出需要别人具备哪些特质才能与你建立良好的关系。清单可以是任何想要的东西,但必须在脑子里明确这个想法。

**CS: 对于那些不相信一夜情是坏事的人,你会说什么呢?**

MP: 我认为不必太过认真地审视自己就知道这感觉不好。尤其是作为一个女孩,我不知道这对男孩来说是什么感觉,但作为一个女孩,感觉就是不好。我认为应该注意这些事情。还有怀孕的风险,这是需要认真对待的事情,特别是如果没有采取避孕措施,也不应该采取避孕措施。

但大多数情况下,只会伤害自己的灵魂,不会让人认真对待自己。不会让人更喜欢。作为一个年轻女孩,会想,“哦,如果和他睡,他会更喜欢我。”我甚至不认为会这样。可能起到相反的作用。

这也是一条很好的界限,可以判断某人是否真的对自己感兴趣,因为如果真的感兴趣,而你又设下了一些界限,比如“我想等”,那不应该成为阻止他和你约会的原因。如果是这个原因阻止了他和你约会,那么他就不是那么认真。所以,从逻辑上讲,这不是一个坏界限。

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**CS: 我一直想和你谈谈狮子饮食法,因为越来越受欢迎,但对很多人来说,仍然是一个疯狂的概念。你能澄清一下其含义,以及是什么促使你尝试的吗?**

MP:狮子饮食只吃反刍动物的肉,也就是任何有蹄子和四个胃的动物。牛、羊、野牛之类的。所以狮子饮食法就是只有那种肉、红肉、盐和水。我把这推广为一种排除性饮食法,帮助人们弄清楚食物敏感性。

我之所以会这样想,是因为我从小就患有幼年型类风湿性关节炎。我 7 岁时被诊断出患有此病,这让我非常痛苦。我忘了提到这,但我生命中确实有一段时间坐在轮椅上。我没有提到那段时间,因为那段时间很短,而且我猜那段时间并没有真正对我的心理造成影响,所以我忘记了那段时间,但我昨晚一直在想这件事。我生命中有两个时期坐在轮椅上。17 岁时,我做了髋关节和踝关节置换术。

我从 7 岁开始接受主流医学治疗,直到 23 岁才开始注意饮食,但病情却越来越严重。23 岁时,我开始服用抗生素治疗慢性皮疹。我服用抗抑郁药治疗严重的抑郁症,抑郁症比关节炎严重得多。我患有特发性嗜睡症,这是慢性疲劳的别称。我一直从头到脚发痒。后来我又患上了关节炎,而且一直没有好转,我服用了一堆药物。

后来,我的一个表妹死于自身免疫性疾病,她的皮疹与我开始出现的皮疹相似,我想,“这会要了我的命。”患有自身免疫性疾病的人死得更早。其中许多人不能生孩子。这真的很残酷。我当时就处于那种境地,我想,“如果我不弄清楚并解决这个问题,我会死的。”这也是医生的预测。

我开始研究饮食,希望能有所帮助。我戒掉了大部分食物,开始采用原始饮食,主要吃肉、蔬菜和一些水果,这改变了我的生活。我的许多关节炎症状消失了,皮肤也开始愈合。三个月后,我精力充沛了。这是由于我采用了自免原始饮食法,但限制性更强。开始这种饮食法一个月后,我就开始停止服用所有药物。

一个月后,我瘦了三磅,但裤子尺码也小了三个号,因为不再腹胀了。我的腹肌显露出来了。腹肌显露出来是因为之前食物敏感导致的腹胀。

然后,时间飞快流逝,我怀上了女儿斯嘉丽,不幸的是,我所有的自身免疫症状又复发了,开始悄悄地复发。当时我还没有服用任何药物,但我非常沮丧。我又开始出现慢性疲劳。

我当时想,“这必须靠饮食。这必须靠饮食。我通过饮食控制了病情,所以这必须靠饮食。”所以我在八个月内戒掉了一切,我能吃的东西越来越少。我当时想,“我知道肉不会让我生病。”我只吃肉,然后想,“我会坚持六个星期。我会试着控制住关节炎。”然后我这样做了,关节炎得到了控制。一切都恢复了,重新引入食物又带来了症状。所以到十一月为止,我已经这样吃了七年了。

&gt; 患有自身免疫性疾病的人寿命较短。我曾经也属于这一类,当时我想,“如果我不弄清楚并解决这个问题,我就会死。”

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**CS: 你尝试过重新引入其他食物吗?**

MP: 我尝试重新引入高压烹饪、去皮的有机苹果,基本上就像婴儿食品一样,看看是否有效。最终,我的关节炎又复发了,还有一些皮肤症状,所以我停止吃水果。我试过鸡肉,比如健康的鸡,鸡吃的食物是正确的。鸡肉并不可怕,但并没有让我感觉那么好。鱼并不可怕,但也没有让我感觉那么好。所以,多年来,我定期仔细测试,但没有什么比坚持这个饮食更好。

CS: 坚持下去很难吗?还是你只是觉得,“这就是我的生活,我感觉很好,我做到了?”

MP: 我的意思是,坚持了那么久之后,其他食物就不再重要了。一开始,这真的很难,而且很孤独,我觉得自己疯了,有点担心自己会死于维生素缺乏症。一开始并不理想。

但他们开始对此进行研究。哈佛大学的克里斯·帕尔默医生正在研究生酮饮食对精神疾病的作用,所以他们实际上已经开始研究这个问题了。他们并没有专门研究这种饮食,但至少他们正在研究生酮饮食。我认为效果非常好,以至于那些恢复健康的人会告诉所有人,因为他们会想,“这不是很疯狂吗?”就像,如果你在经历了这一切之后感觉好多了,你就必须告诉别人。

大约三个月后,食欲就会完全消失。吃东西只是为了饱腹,然后就饱了,然后就这样了。没什么特别的了。我很怀念出去吃寿司或去可爱的小餐馆的社交活动,但我只去高档牛排馆,所以情况可能会更糟糕。

CS: 我在你的故事里看到你去牛排馆,你让他们不要在牛排上放任何东西,对吗?他们只是把牛排煎熟,然后你把对你有益的调味料放在上面?

MP: 是的,我们通常会点一堆牛排,然后说:“我们有过敏症和自身免疫问题,所以不要黄油、油、盐、胡椒、调味料和装饰。”说实话,在牛排馆里,人们通常知道这种饮食或知道肉食,因为这是牛排馆。所以很多时候他们会说:“哦,肉食者。”

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**CS: 如果您没有饮食限制,您的理想菜单是什么?**

MP: 如果我不必坚持这个,而且健康根本不重要,我几乎可以靠便当盒里的天妇罗、寿司卷、虾、馄饨汤和粉丝生存。

**CS: 确实,您全家都不得不以不同的方式与疼痛和疾病作斗争。您从中学到了什么?**

MP: 我认为最大的教训是,如果生活中有问题,包括健康问题,那么必须自己去解决,而且可以去解决。即使当人们来到我的狮子饮食网站 liondiet.com 开始关注健康时,他们要做的最重要的事情就是说:“我将尽一切努力来解决这个问题。”然后他们必须愿意尽一切努力,这可能非常困难。

这是个人责任。必须克服医疗机构强加给人们的心态,即个人无法控制。我小时候就被告知,“你无能为力。我们可以给你这些药物。药有点用。但你什么也做不了。什么也做不了。”

必须摆脱这种心态。总有事情可以做,改善自己的生活,让自己更健康。然后要相信自己能找到答案,然后努力去解决。

CS: 我认为很多人都需要听听这句话。我们经常习惯性地认为,无论做什么事情,我们都需要更多的“许可”,但有时这只是你自己在为自己争取。

MP: 生病的悲哀之处在于,这是你的生命,而不是医生的生命。他们可能关心你,可能想帮助你,但你才是受苦的人,所以你需要自己想办法。这可能需要去看很多不同的专家,但不要只去找一个说“我什么都知道。你不必去找其他不能解决你问题的医生。”要不断寻找。

然后我鼓励人们进行排除性饮食法,只是为了将有的食物从清单中划掉。我知道现在有成千上万的人这样做了,这很疯狂,但这可以缓解疯狂的慢性病、严重的慢性病、自身免疫性疾病和精神疾病。他们中的许多人也能够重新恢复食物,只是确定了是什么引发问题。钻研每一个兔子洞,直到找到答案。

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**CS:您的妈妈在癌症治疗期间也采用这种饮食吗?**

MP: 她正在这种饮食。我爸也是。我一直在寻找根本原因。为什么我全家都有这些问题?我们找不到遗传问题。我们目前的理论,我认为是准确的,是多伦多一所房子长期接触霉菌。我对霉菌的研究令人担忧。我们认为我妈妈、爸爸和我身上出现的所有自身免疫问题都是霉菌暴露引起的。所以,也许,在未来,我将能够再次吃很多食物而不会出现随机反应。但就目前而言,这种饮食控制一切。

**CS: 您怀孕期间有严格遵守这种饮食习惯吗?**

MP: 六个月前我生下乔治后,整个孕期我都坚持吃狮子饮食法。这可不是什么乐趣。我哭过好几次,比如,“为什么我不能吃黄瓜一样的东西,否则会得关节炎?”像吃黄瓜一样的东西,让我休息一下。我认为我认识的人中没有人真正坚持狮子饮食法,特别是整个孕期,因为这真的很难,但我尝试吃其他东西,感觉比有更糟糕。所以,我整个孕期都坚持吃狮子饮食。

CS: 你产后的转变令人难以置信。我看到了乔治出生两周后你的照片,你看起来棒极了。你认为这是狮子饮食的功劳吗?

MP: 哦,是的,当然。这太疯狂了。比如,我有一个 6 岁的孩子,对吧?七年前我怀孕了,但产后恢复得并不像现在这么快。这太疯狂了。这种饮食确实有帮助,但我并不一定会推荐,因为食欲太强烈了。我不认为这是女性在怀孕期间应该做的事情。而且我讨厌吃肉。我很确定我不会因为我的这种饮食而吃肉,但那太残酷了。但我一点也没有增加体重。然后我发现了腹部束带,而我第一次怀孕时没有这样做。所以,狮子饮食和腹部束带产生了巨大的影响。

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**CS: 换个话题,我也想谈谈你可爱的服装。你有时尚偶像吗?**

MP: 如果要我选一个人的话,那可能就是玛丽莲·梦露。我相信每个人都会选她。这是一个很典型的回答,但崔姬也有很酷的风格,但玛丽莲·梦露才是偶像。我从小就喜欢她。

CS: 我认为很多女人都被她吸引。你爸爸有什么时尚偶像吗?他有一些标志性的时尚造型。

MP: 我知道。有些服装我会觉得,“爸爸,这太离谱了。我不喜欢这个,这太离谱了。这个可能太离谱了。”但我认为他从未提到过任何人。

CS: 那么,他只是在做自己的事情。一切都是他自己。这更令人印象深刻。

MP: 我的意思是,他是一个非常令人印象深刻的人。

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**CS: 你的接生经历是什么样的?**

MP: 我在家里接生了两次孩子。我对医疗系统非常反感。通过饮食让病情得到缓解后,我的医生们一直对此嗤之以鼻,我生气了大约三年。我怒不可遏。我和其他患有自身免疫性疾病的人交谈时也怒不可遏,他们说:“我无能为力。我只能终生服用这些药物。”而我说:“不,你可以改变饮食,而且有效。”

所以,一开始我真的很生气,然后我开始害怕医院。我爸爸说:“说实话,从你经历过的事情来看,这还算合理。”我做过很多手术,所以如果我去医院,我就会开始恐慌。当我生第一个孩子的时候,我还是处于那个时期。然后,我开始研究在家分娩的安全性以及在医院可能发生的所有事情。我想,“我觉得在家分娩更安全。”如果年轻健康,认为自己可以忍受疼痛,心理上也没什么问题,那么接受医疗干预的风险就会更小,因为需要保持冷静。

但我很喜欢。我会再做一次。只是因为没有硬膜外麻醉,所以很疼,但我的意思是,女人要生好几次孩子。你会忘记疼痛。如果真的生了孩子,无论如何都会很疼。如果在家生孩子,那么马上就可以和宝宝待在家里了。

CS: 很多人都想听到更多这样的分娩故事。他们想知道除了医院之外,他们还有更多的选择。

MP: 我做了大量研究,让自己对在家分娩感觉更好。催产素水平会上升,宫缩会变得更强烈,婴儿就会出生。如果皮质醇水平上升,会降低催产素水平。所以,如果在分娩时感到压力,分娩时间就会延长。对我来说,我知道压力较小的地方是家里,而不是医院,医院那里有奇怪的哔哔声和气味,还有人在催你。

**CS: 似乎很多女性都对母亲身份感到焦虑,无论是身体形象、财务状况、“失去”独立性,还是对世界状况的恐惧。您对此有何看法?**

MP: 嗯,我可以说,对于我的第一个孩子,我当时的情况一点也不理想。我当时病得很重,身上也没有钱,压力很大。当时我还在上大学。但斯嘉丽给我的快乐比我以前经历过的任何事情都要多。生孩子有一种神奇的感觉,无法用其他任何东西来代替。这太疯狂了。我想说,对于那些担心生孩子的人来说,如果想要孩子,需要关注的最重要的事情就是建立一段良好的关系。当有了孩子,需要有人支持,所以重点应该是找一个好男人。这是最难的一步。但正如我之前所说,人们可以通过努力提高自己,让自己更讨人喜欢、更健康、穿得好、优雅,以及为某件事而努力来做到这一点。因为如果找到了一个男人,一个合适的男人,那么生孩子就不成问题了。通常情况下,应该能够解决问题。

&gt; 斯嘉丽给我带来的快乐比我以前经历过的任何事情都要多。拥有孩子是如此神奇,你无法用其他任何东西来代替它。 &gt; &gt; 在 Instagram 上查看帖子

**CS: 显然,你有很多粉丝,但也有批评者,无论是马克思主义者,他们想要那种无性别反乌托邦,还是超级“传统”的红色药丸男人。你是如何面对所有这些批评并取得成功的?**

MP: 我一点都不在乎,所以这不会困扰我。我记得在 2019 年左右,我对 Twitter 和 YouTube 上的一些东西感到恼火,所以这曾经困扰过我,但已经过去很久了。我在母亲节那天和乔治一起发布了这张照片,乔丹拍了这张照片,所以我把它放在了 Instagram 上,每个人都说:“哦,母亲节快乐。”我放在了 X 上,第二天我又上了 X,到处都是。我当时想:“哇,人们太生气了,这是这样。”就像一件无肩带的太阳裙。我当时想:“哇,这些人真差劲。”但这也没有困扰我。我只是觉得,“这很有趣。”

CS: 你刚才就想到,“这就是上网的本质。”

MP: 是的,我也不想像那些对别人做这种事的人一样。如果真有这种事,那也只是来自心怀怨恨、嫉妒、地位低下的人。所以我不知道我为什么要在乎他们的想法。

**CS: 我认为有很多人想好好利用网上平台,但总是担心受到攻击。你会对有这种感觉的人说些什么?**

MP: 嗯,我当然明白。特别是,我认为这取决于你面临的风险,比如你的工作是否面临风险?如果是这样,比如说你被困在一个超级觉醒的机构里,你开始反击,我可能会说,如果这是你的工作,那就试着找点别的事做吧,因为要么这样,要么你就是在牺牲自己的灵魂去撒谎。你只是在撒谎。如果你处在这种真的不信的氛围中,如果可以的话,想办法换一种赚钱的方式吧。

对于那些只是在网上露面并担心遭到反对的人来说,总会有反对的,但情况永远不会像你想象的那么糟糕。通常,如果你说的是真话,那么好事就会发生在你身上。人们会站出来支持你。其他人会说,“哦,我也不想说什么,但我的想法完全一样。”但最重要的是,如果你继续不说那些你知道是真的,就像还在你心里一样,那只会伤害你的灵魂。这就像陷入一场争论,不说出你想说的话,只是说,“那会消失的。”那永远不会消失。

这就是我们现在处于这种状态的原因,因为那不是突然出现的。多年来潜移默化,主要是因为人们什么也不说。然后到了这样的地步,你认为你周围所有保持沉默的人都同意那些大喊大叫的人的观点,但事实并非如此。现在我们处于这样的境地。如果你不说实话,不勇敢行事,你最终会陷入谎言和混乱之中。

&gt; 通常情况下,如果你说实话,那么好事就会降临到你头上。人们会站出来支持你。

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**CS:你妈妈最近皈依了天主教,而你在 2021 年也成为了一名基督徒。我读到过你曾经采用过一种心理学方法,与你父亲类似,但有些事情对你来说发生了变化。是什么变化?**

MP: 我可以试着想出一个逻辑框架来解释我的想法是如何改变的,但我认为只是在精神层面上发生了变化。就像,我真的得救了。2021 年,我遇到了乔丹,他是一名基督徒。我说:“我认为这是圣灵的光芒。”我说:“你身上有这种光芒。这里发生了一些我非常感兴趣的事情。”他基本上告诉我这是圣灵。

我当时想,“哇,这太酷了。”我想要这个,但无论出于什么原因,你都不能只是想要它,然后随时得到它。所以在 2021 年,我认为我相信了。我在祈祷,我在读圣经,什么都做。我认为在道德上我做得更好了,但直到最近我才有了这种精神体验,感受到了与耶稣的关系,这是我以前从未有过的感觉。

我没有在网上谈论这件事,因为我还在想办法。我不知道其中有多少是我能控制的,哪些不是,但直到最近我才意识到,“哇,好吧,这就是基督徒说他们得救的意思。”这更像是我的心变了。我仍在想办法,是我做了什么导致了这种情况,还是这只是我无法控制的精神上的事情。我甚至不知道我是否会得到答案。

我想乔丹也帮了我大忙,但我终于比以前更深刻地认识到我需要帮助。我在很多方面都犯了罪,这些事情你可能会认为是小事,但直到我获得了这种天堂般的视角,我才意识到这些是缺点。突然间,我意识到,“哦,这些都是我生活中积极助长邪恶的领域。”

比如,你对某人有负面想法,或者嘲笑某人,而其实你不应该这样做。对我来说,最大的一个就是看不起家务,我确实看不起家务很长一段时间,因为我觉得“我喜欢工作,我喜欢做智力工作”,但我意识到这样做是罪恶的。但大约四个月前,我被展示了一切。就像是,“看,你这个坏人有多可怕。”我当时想,“哇哦。我不知道。”然后我感到一种压倒性的宽恕感。就像是,“哦,这就是他们所说的得救。”这两者有很大的不同,但如果可以的话,我需要再多想一想,然后我会制作一个视频,告诉人们更多发生的事情。但这真的很有灵性。我的整个世界都颠倒了。

CS: 有人说基督教是对自己最悲观的看法,但同时也是最乐观的看法。既意识到罪恶,又知道爱和宽恕的深度。沉重、轻松、悲观和乐观,所有这些融为一体。

MP: 有深度。有快乐。有平静。就像是,“看看你是多么糟糕的一个人,但我还是爱你。一切都会好起来的。”

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**CS: 您认为基督徒可以做些什么来更有说服力地说服那些持怀疑态度的朋友?**

MP: 我的朋友大多不是基督徒,尤其是多伦多的朋友。我甚至不知道基督徒是什么。我有我的父亲,但他从未自认为是基督徒。我从心理学的角度了解圣经,但我甚至不知道基督徒是什么。

我认为与未得救的人沟通的最有效方式是充满圣灵,这样当你与他们交谈时,你就会感到光彩照人。现在有人来找我,说:“你给人的感觉非常好。”我认为这是一种感觉,我不认为我天生就有这种感觉,但通过得救,我有一种良好的感觉。特别是对于那些不理解并且真的没有基督教观点的人,像基督徒一样和他们说话,也许这对某些人有用,但我认为这对我没有用。我只是不明白。我不知道得救意味着什么。当你在局外时,很难知道。

所以我想说,要有这样的优雅和爱心,这样人们就会说,“我喜欢你,怎么了?”然后你可以说,“你知道吗?我知道这听起来很疯狂,但事实就是这样。”他们会更认真地对待你,而不是你试图恶意地说服他们。我认为这是最好的方法。

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**结束语**

可以通过收听 Mikhaila 的播客来了解她的工作和智慧,她在播客中深入探讨了健康、保健和个人成长等话题。在社交媒体上关注她,了解她转型之旅的最新动态以及备受期待的 Peterson Academy的推出,

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Exclusive: The Evolution of Mikhaila Peterson—How She Found Love, Faith, And The Diet That Saved Her Life

In this exclusive interview with Evie Magazine, Mikhaila Peterson opens up about her transformative journey through love, motherhood, and the unique diet that saved her life. She also doesn't shy away from discussing the intense criticism she and her family face and how they've learned to rise above it.

By Carmen SchoberJul 16th 202415 min read

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Mikhaila Peterson has become a household name, not just for being the daughter of world-renowned psychologist Jordan Peterson, but for forging her own path as a podcast host with over a million subscribers, a businesswoman, and an unapologetic advocate for taking your health into your own hands.

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After a painful divorce and life as a single mother, Mikhaila found a second chance at love with Jordan Fuller. They welcomed their son, George, this year, joining big sister Scarlett and marking a new chapter in their lives. At the same time, Mikhaila's influence is reaching new heights.

**Carmen Schober:** You and Jordan Fuller were married in 2021 by Elvis. How did you know that he was the right man for you?

Mikhaila Peterson: I think the major thing I noticed about him is he made me feel safe. I don't think I'd been in a relationship where I had felt this kind of overwhelming vibe of “safe.” You date people, and you're excited, and there are other vibes going on, or maybe there are danger vibes that you ignore when you're young, that kind of thing. But he's the first person I met that I was like, “Wow, you've got this aura of safety.”

So I noticed that, and that he's incredibly driven. He's extremely competent. He has an amazing moral compass. He's a Christian, and I wasn't as familiar with Christianity at the time. But I think I was also picking up on that in his safety vibe. He wanted kids. He wanted to get married, and he made that clear very quickly, which was super romantic. He's funny. He's smart. And then he's gorgeous, so that helps.

CS: Yeah, that helps.

MP: He was basically everything I was looking for, I guess. So it was pretty obvious, and that's why we got married so quickly.

**CS:** When did he propose?

MP: I think he realized he wanted to marry me three days into knowing each other. And then it was fast. A couple of weeks later, we were on the phone, and he asked me if I wanted to get married. I was driving, and I almost crashed my car. I went off on a list of reasons why it was a bad idea.

I was like, “You don't know what you're getting into here. First of all, we've known each other for two weeks. Second of all, I'm working all the time. I have a very close relationship with my dad, which is weird. I don't want to do your laundry.” I told him that right off the bat. Things have changed, though. But initially, I was like, “I don't know if you want me to be some…

CS: Tradwife?

MP: Yeah, tradwife. If that's what you're looking for, and I was like, I'm not doing that. But I did want kids and all these things, but I was like, “I do work. I'm not just going to switch to a stay-at-home mom.” So I tried to give him a bunch of reasons. I was also like, 'I'm divorced.” That was a big one. “I have a kid.” Another big one.

When I got divorced, I didn't know how easy it was going to be to get into another relationship. I think I was 29 at the time, and I'd kind of given up, I guess. So I gave him a whole bunch of reasons why it was a bad idea. And he was like, “Yeah, I know. It's okay, though.”

CS: He knew that fast?

MP: He knew. You couldn't stop him. There was nothing that could stop him.

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**CS:** That is fast. And it doesn’t happen to everyone obviously, but if people were honest, isn't that kind of the best-case scenario? To know quickly?

MP: I think so. I was at the point where I didn't have to hide who I was at all. And he, for whatever reason, told the truth, maybe that has to do with Christianity, but he knew what he wanted. So both of us were being blatantly honest with each other. I think you can cut out a whole bunch of time getting to know the other person if they just tell you who they are.

CS: That's true. A lot of modern dating is just trying to guess what the other person might want. And you're both like, “Well, I want this, and you want that. Are those the same things?”

MP: Yeah, exactly. It cuts out a lot. We got married pretty quickly, but we also saw each other like 24/7 leading up to that. So it wasn't like casually dating for a couple of years to get to know the other person. We saw each other all the time.

&gt; Both of us were being blatantly honest with each other. I think you can cut a whole bunch of time getting to know the other person if they just tell you who they are.

**CS:** What made you decide to get married in Vegas?

MP: I was so taken aback by being asked to be married after two weeks, but I really liked him, so it seemed to be a good idea. I think I was kind of testing him too, like a How badly do you want this? kind of thing. I also think getting married by Elvis is pretty funny. And then we ended up having this big wedding with family and friends later, but he wanted to get married fast too because he's a Christian. We didn't want to be doing things wrong. We figured it was better than going to a courthouse.

CS: Well, the pictures are iconic. You're in that beautiful iridescent dress, and you've got Elvis. I just wondered if there was a special reason, like are you a huge Elvis fan?

MP: I love Elvis. That definitely played a role. I listened to Elvis growing up and in high school all the time. I know all his songs. So that was an element, but I'm not a big enough fan that I would have been like, “I need to get married by a fake Elvis.”

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CS: Did you like the Elvis movie with Austin Butler?

MP: I thought the role of his manager was interesting. I didn't know that he basically couldn't travel out of America and was kind of under the power of his manager. It was sad. I didn't realize his manager had that much control. Like, you already know Elvis's story is tragic, but that was definitely dark.

**CS:** If you had to distill down what you've learned about love, what would be your best dating advice for women who want the same thing?

MP: Don't rush into sleeping with anyone. That's the biggest one. Don't sleep around. Don't rush into sleeping with people, and make a list of what you're looking for. My dad taught me when I was young to write down a list of what you need in another person to have a good relationship. That could be whatever you want, but make that idea clear in your head. And then trust your instincts. I think that's more important when you're younger and you don't have as much experience meeting people, even just working with people. Trust your instincts.

And if you're having trouble finding people or attracting people or something like that, work on yourself. Get healthier, get your sleep organized, educate yourself, improve yourself, and people will be attracted to you.

&gt; My dad taught me when I was young to write down a list of what you need in another person to have a good relationship. That could be whatever you want, but make that idea clear in your head.

**CS:** What would you say to somebody who's not convinced that casual sex is a bad thing?

MP: I don't think you have to look very hard within yourself to know that it doesn't feel good. Especially as a girl, I'm not sure how it feels to a guy, but as a girl, it just doesn't feel good. And I think you should pay attention to those things. There's also the risk of pregnancy, which is something to take seriously, especially if you're not on birth control, which you shouldn't be.

But mostly, it just hurts your soul, and it doesn't make people take you seriously. It doesn't make people like you more. As a young girl, you think, “Oh, if I sleep with a guy, he'll like me more.” I don't even think it works like that. It might work the opposite way.

It's also a good boundary to have to see if somebody's actually interested in you, because if they're actually interested in you and you put up some boundaries, like “I want to wait,” that shouldn't be what dissuades them from dating you. If that's what dissuades them, then they weren't that serious. So, just logically, it's not a bad boundary to have.

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MP: The lion diet is just ruminant meat, which is any type of animal that has hooves and four stomachs. Cows, lamb, bison, stuff like that. So just that kind of meat, red meat, salt, and water. That's the diet. I've popularized it as an elimination diet to help people figure out food sensitivities.

The reason I got into that is because I had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis growing up. I was diagnosed when I was 7, and it was l crippling. I forget to bring this up in interviews, but there were periods of my life when I was in a wheelchair. I don't mention that because they were shorter periods, and I guess they didn't really mentally impact me, so I forgot about them, but I was thinking about that last night. There were two periods of my life when I was in a wheelchair. I ended up with my hip and ankle replaced when I was 17.

I'd been treated through mainstream medical treatment from the age of 7 to 23, when I started to look into diet, and I was just getting sicker. By the time I was 23, I was on antibiotics for this chronic skin rash. I was on antidepressants for crippling depression, and the depression was way worse than the arthritis. I had idiopathic hypersomnia, which is a fancy name for chronic fatigue. I was head-to-toe itchy all the time. Then I had arthritis on top of it, and it wasn't going away, and I was on a bunch of medications.

Then one of my second cousins died from an autoimmune disorder, and her rashes looked similar to the rashes I was starting to get, and I thought, “This is going to kill me.” People with autoimmune disorders die younger. A lot of them can't have kids. It can be really brutal. I was in that camp, and I was like, “I think if I don't figure this out and fix this, it's going to kill me.” And that was kind of the prognosis from the doctors as well.

I started looking into diet just on the off chance it would help. I cut out most foods, and I went to a paleo diet, which was mostly meat, vegetables, and some fruit, and that turned my life around. A bunch of my arthritic symptoms went away, and my skin started to heal. Three months later, I had more energy. This was because of an autoimmune paleo diet but more restrictive. I started getting off all my medications just a month after that diet.

After a month, I lost like three pounds but I went down three pant sizes from not being bloated. I had abs show up. They just showed up because it was all bloating from food sensitivity.

Then, fast forward a little bit, I ended up getting pregnant with my daughter, Scarlett, and, unfortunately, all of my autoimmune symptoms came back. They started creeping back in. I wasn't on any medications at that point, but I was horribly depressed. I was starting to get chronic fatigue again.

And I was like, “It's got to be diet. It's got to be diet. I got it under control with diet, so it has got to be diet.” So I cut everything out over like eight months, and the number of things I could eat just kept getting smaller. And I was just like, “I know meat doesn't make me sick.” I got to only eating meat and was like, “I'll do it for six weeks. I'll try to get the arthritis under control.” And then I did that and the arthritis got under control. Everything cleared up again, and reintroducing foods brought back the symptoms. So I've been eating this way for seven years in November.

&gt; People with autoimmune disorders die younger. I was in that camp, and I was like, “I think if I don't figure this out and fix this, it's going to kill me.”

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**CS:** Have you tried to reintroduce other foods?

MP: I tried to reintroduce pressure-cooked, peeled, organic apples, basically like baby food, to see if that worked. Eventually, my arthritis would come back, and some skin symptoms, so I stopped with the fruit. I've tried chicken, like the healthy chicken, where the chickens are fed the right things. Chicken is not terrible, but it doesn't make me feel that good. Fish is not terrible, but it doesn't make me feel that good, either. So no, over the years, I've periodically tested carefully, but nothing is as good as just staying on the diet.

CS: Is it hard to stick to? Or are you just like, “This is my life, and I feel good, and I got this?”

MP: I mean, after you've been doing it for that long, other food stops mattering. In the beginning, it was really hard, and it was isolating, and I thought I was crazy, and I was kind of worried I was going to die from a vitamin deficiency. It wasn't ideal at the beginning.

But they're starting to do studies on it. There's a doctor named Chris Palmer from Harvard, who's doing studies on ketogenic diets for mental illness, so they're actually starting to study this. They're not studying this diet specifically, but at least they're looking into ketogenic diets now. I think it works so well that people who get healthy tell everybody because they're like, “Isn't it crazy?” Like, you have to tell people if you can feel better after all of that, you have to.

And the cravings after about three months of eating this way go away entirely. You just eat to be satiated, and then you're full, and then that's it. There isn't a lot more to it. I missed the social aspect of going out for sushi or going to cute little restaurants, but I go out to fancy steakhouses, so it could be much worse.

CS: I saw in your Stories that you went to a steakhouse and you asked them not to put anything on the steak, right? They just cook it, and then you put your seasonings on it that are good for you?

MP: Yeah, we just usually order a bunch of steaks and go, “We have allergies, autoimmune issues, so no butter, no oil, no salt, no pepper, no seasoning, no garnish.” Honestly, in steakhouses, people usually recognize the diet or know about the carnivore diet because it's a steakhouse. So a lot of the time they go, “Oh, the carnivore diet.”

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**CS:** If you didn't have dietary restrictions, what would be your ideal menu?

MP: If I didn't have to stick to this and health didn't matter at all, I would be pretty much surviving off bento boxes like tempura and maki rolls and shrimp, wonton soup, and maybe vermicelli noodles.

**CS:** Really, your whole family has had to struggle against pain and illness in different ways. What have you learned from that?

MP: I think the biggest lesson is if you have a problem in your life, including health, it's on you to fix it, and you can fix it. Even when I send people to liondiet.com to start looking into their health, the biggest thing they have to do is say, “I'm going to do whatever it takes to solve this problem.” And then they have to be willing to do whatever it takes, which could be a lot.

It's a personal responsibility. And you have to get over the mindset that the medical establishment pushes on people, which is you don't have control. That's something I was told as a kid, “There's nothing you can do. We can give you these medications. They kind of work. There's nothing you can do, though. Nothing.”

You have to get rid of that mindset. There are always things you can do to improve your life and to make you healthier. Then have faith that you can figure it out and then work at figuring it out.

CS: I think a lot of people need to hear that. We are often conditioned to think we need more “permission” to do whatever the thing is, but sometimes it's just you fighting for you.

MP: And the sad part about being ill is it's your life. It's not this doctor's life. They might care and they might want to help you, but you're the one suffering, so you need to figure it out. That might involve going to a bunch of different specialists, but don't just go to one who says, “I know everything. You don't have to go to anybody else that doesn't solve your problem.” Always keep looking.

And then I urge people to do an elimination diet just to check it off the list. I know there are tens of thousands of people who have done this now, which is insane, but it can put crazy chronic issues, serious chronic issues, autoimmune disorders, and mental illnesses into remission. A lot of them have been able to reintroduce food too, and just identified what was triggering it. You go down every rabbit hole until something clicks.

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&gt; You have to get over the mindset that the medical establishment pushes on people, which is that you don't have control.

CS: Did your mom use this diet during her cancer treatment?

MP: She's on the diet. So is my dad. I've been looking for root cause for a long time. Why does my whole family have all these problems? And we couldn't find a genetic problem. Our current theory, and I think it's accurate, is mold exposure in a house in Toronto for a very long time. The research I've done on mold is alarming. We assume that all the autoimmune issues that kind of have sprung up in my mom, my dad, and me were from mold exposure. So, perhaps, in the future, I'll be able to eat foods again without having random reactions. But for now, the diet keeps everything in check.

**CS:** Did you follow the diet when you were pregnant?

MP: So when I had George six months ago, I did it throughout that pregnancy. It was not fun. I cried a number of times, like, “Why can't I eat like a cucumber without getting arthritis?” Like a cucumber, like give me a break. I don't think I know anybody who's actually stuck to the lion diet, specifically, throughout pregnancy, because it's really hard, but I tried eating other things and then felt worse than just having cravings. So, I stuck to it throughout pregnancy.

CS: Your postpartum transformation was incredible. I saw a picture of you two weeks after George was born, and you look amazing. Do you think it was the diet?

MP: Oh yeah, definitely. It was crazy. Like, I have a 6 year old, right? So, I was pregnant seven years ago, and I didn't recover as easily as I did this time. Like, this was nuts. The diet definitely helped, but it's not something I would necessarily recommend because the cravings were so severe. I don't think this is what women should be doing during pregnancy. And I had a meat aversion. I was so sure I wasn't going to get one because of my diet, but it was brutal. But I didn't gain excessive weight at all. And then I discovered belly binding, which I didn't do with my first. So, the diet and belly binding made a huge difference.

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**CS:** Switching topics, but I also want to talk about your cute outfits. Do you have any fashion icons?

MP: If I had to choose one person, it would probably be Marilyn Monroe. I'm sure everyone chooses her. It's such a typical response, but Marilyn Monroe. Twiggy had a cool style too, but Marilyn Monroe is just iconic. I've liked her since I was a little girl.

CS: I think lots of women gravitate toward her. Does your dad have any fashion icons? He's got some iconic fashion looks.

MP: I know. There are some outfits that I'm like, “Dad, this is getting really out there. I don't like this, this is out there. This one might be too far.” But I don't think he's ever mentioned anyone.

CS: He's just doing his own thing, then. It's all him. That's even more impressive.

MP: I mean, he's a pretty impressive guy.

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**CS:** What were your birth experiences like?

MP: I did two home births. I was so turned off by the medical system. After I got the illness into remission with diet, which my doctors had always scoffed at, I was so angry for about three years. I was livid. I was livid talking to other people with autoimmune disorders who were like, “There's nothing I can do. I'm stuck on these medications for life.” And I was like, “No, you can change your diet, and it works.”

So, first I got really mad, and then I got a phobia of hospitals. My dad said, “Honestly, from what you've been through, that's kind of reasonable.” I'd had so many surgeries and things that if I went in there, I started panicking. And I was still in that period when I had my first baby. And then, I started doing research about the safety of home births and all the things that can happen when you're in the hospital. And I was like, “I think it's just safer if I'm at home.” And there's less risk of medical intervention if you're young and healthy and you think you're going to be doing okay with the pain and you're okay psychologically because you need to stay calm.

But I love it. I'll do it again. It just hurts because there's no epidural, but I mean, women give birth multiple times. You forget the pain. And if you do give birth, it's going to hurt anyway. If you give birth at home, then you're at home with your baby right away.

CS: A lot of people want to hear more birth stories like that. They want to know that they have more options than just the hospital option.

MP: I did a bunch of research to make myself feel better about doing home birth. Your oxytocin levels go up, your contractions get stronger, and the baby comes out. If your cortisol goes up, it down-regulates your oxytocin. So, if you get stressed out while you're in labor, your labor can be extended. And for me, I knew the place that would be less stressful would be at home as opposed to a hospital where there are weird beeping noises and smells and people prodding you.

**CS:** It seems like many women are becoming really anxious about motherhood, whether it's body image or finances or "losing" their independence or just fears about the state of the world. What would you say to that?

MP: Well, I can say with my first, the situation I was in was not ideal at all. It was really stressful because I was quite ill and I didn't have any money. I was in university. But Scarlett gave me more joy than anything I'd experienced before. There's something so magical about having kids that you can't replace it with anything else. It's crazy. And I'd say for people who are worried, the biggest thing you need to focus on if you want to have kids is getting into a good relationship. You need somebody to support you when you have a baby, so your focus should be finding a good man. That's the hardest step. But as I said before, people can do that by trying to improve themselves and making themselves more likable, healthier, dressing well, being graceful, and working towards something. Because if you get a man, a proper man, then having babies shouldn't be an issue. Usually, you should be able to work through things.

&gt; Scarlett gave me more joy than anything I'd experienced before. There's something so magical about having kids that you can't replace it with anything else.

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**CS:** Obviously, you have a lot of fans but critics, too, whether it's Marxist types who want that genderless dystopia and super "trad" red pill dudes. How do you function and thrive with all of that criticism?

MP: I don't care at all, so it doesn't bother me. I remember getting irritated at things on Twitter and YouTube around 2019, so it used to bother me, but it's been so long. I posted this photo on Mother's Day with George, and Jordan had taken the photo, so I put it on Instagram and everyone was like, “Oh, happy Mother's Day.” I put it on X, and then I went on X the next day, and it was everywhere. I was like, “Wow, people were so angry that it was this.” It was like a strapless sundress. I was like, “Wow, these people suck.” But that didn't bother me either. I was just like, “That's funny.”

CS: You just got to a place where you were like, “This is just the nature of being online.”

MP: Yeah, that, and I also don't want to be like the people doing that to other people. If anything, it's coming from resentful, jealous, low-status people. So I don't know why I would care what they think.

**CS:** I think there are lots of people online who want to use their platforms for good, but they're scared of being attacked all the time. What would you say to someone feeling that?

MP: Well, I definitely get it. Especially, I think it depends on what's on the line, like is your job on the line? And if so, say you're stuck in a super woke establishment or something and you start fighting back, I would probably say, try to figure out something else to do if that's your line of work, because it's either that, or you're kind of sacrificing your soul to lying all the time. You're just living a lie. If you're in this political atmosphere that you really don't believe in, figure out a different way to make money, if you can.

For people who just have an online presence and are worried about pushback, there's always going to be pushback, but it's never as bad as you think. Usually, if you're telling the truth, then good things happen to you. People will come out and support you. Other people will be like, “Oh, I didn't want to say anything either, but I'm thinking exactly the same thing.” But most importantly, if you continue not to say things that you know are true, like they're still in you, it'll just hurt your soul. It's like getting into an argument, not saying what you want to say, and just being like, “It'll go away.” It never goes away.

That's why we're in the state we're in now because it didn't just suddenly appear. It slowly crept in over the years, mostly due to people not saying anything. Then it got to the point where you assume everyone silent around you agrees with the people who are yelling about something, which isn't true. And now we are where we are. If you don't tell the truth and you don't act courageous, you end up with lies and chaos.

&gt; Usually, if you're telling the truth, then good things happen to you. People will come out and support you.

Courtesy of Mikhaila Peterson

Courtesy of Mikhaila Peterson

CS: Your mom recently converted to Catholicism, and you became a Christian in 2021. I read that you used to have a psychological approach, similar to your father, but something changed for you. What was it?

MP: I can try to come up with a logical framework for how my mind changed, but I think it just changed on a spiritual level. Like, I really got saved. In 2021, I met Jordan and he was a Christian. And I was like this, “I think it was a Holy Spirit glow.” I was like, “You have this like glow. Something's going on here that I'm really into.” And he basically told me it was the Holy Spirit.

And I was like, “Wow, that's cool.” I want that, but for whatever reason, you can't just want it and then get it whenever you want. So in, in 2021, I thought I believed. I was praying, I was reading the Bible, and everything. I think morally I was doing better, but it wasn't until much more recently that I had this spiritual experience and felt a relationship with Jesus, which I hadn't felt before.

I haven't talked about it online because I'm still trying to figure it out. I don't know how much of that was under my control or what wasn't, but it wasn't until recently when I was like,”'Wow, okay, this is what Christians mean when they say they got saved.” It was more like my heart was changed. I'm still trying to figure out if I was doing something that contributed to that, or if that was just something spiritual out of my control. I don't even know if I'm going to get an answer to that.

I think Jordan helped, too, but I finally recognized at a deeper level than I had recognized before that I needed help. I was sinning in a bunch of different areas, things that you would write off as small, but I wasn't even able to recognize those as flaws until I got this heavenly perspective. Suddenly it was like, “Oh, these are all the areas of my life where I'm contributing to evil actively.”

Just, for example, negative thoughts you have about somebody or scoffing at somebody when you really shouldn't. For me, a big one was looking down on housework, which I did look down on for a long time because I was like, “I like working and I like doing the intellectual stuff,” but I realized there was something sinful there. But about four months ago, I was just shown everything. It was like, “Here, look how awful a person you are.” I was like, “Oh wow. I didn't know that.” And then I felt this overwhelming sense of forgiveness. And it was just like, “Oh, that's what they mean by saved.” There's a huge difference there, but I need to wrap my head around a little more if I can, and then I'll make a video and tell people more about what happened. But it was just very spiritual. My entire world just turned upside down.

CS: Christianity has been said to be the pessimistic view of yourself but also the most optimistic view of yourself at the same time. That awareness of sin but also knowing the depth of love and forgiveness. Weightiness, lightness, pessimism, and optimism, all rolled together.

MP: There was a depth. And joy. And peace. It was like, “Look how terrible a person you are, but I love you anyway. And everything's going to be fine.”

Courtesy of Mikhaila Peterson

Courtesy of Mikhaila Peterson

**CS:** What do you think Christians can do to be more persuasive to their skeptical friends?

MP: Most of my friends aren't Christian, especially from Toronto. I didn't even know what a Christian was. I had my dad, but he never identified as a Christian. I learned about the Bible from a psychological perspective, but I didn't even know what a Christian was.

I think the most effective way to get through to people who aren't saved is to be so full of the Holy Spirit that you glow when you talk to them. I've had people come to me now being like, “You have a really good vibe.” I think it's a vibe, which I don't think it's me naturally, but through being saved, I've got a good vibe going on. Especially for people who don't understand and really don't have a Christian perspective, speaking like a Christian to them, maybe it works on some people, but I don't think it spoke to me. I just didn't get it. I didn't know what it meant to be saved. It's hard to know when you're on the outside.

So I would just say, have such grace and loving presence that people are like, “I like you, what is it?” And then you can say, “You know what? I know it sounds crazy, but this is what it is.” And they'll take you more seriously than if you're trying to spitefully convince them of something. I think that's the best way to do it.

Courtesy of Mikhaila Peterson

Courtesy of Mikhaila Peterson

Closing Thoughts

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好的,米凯拉·彼得森,在过去五年左右的时间里,你有哪些观念发生了改变,或者对哪些事情的看法发生了转变?

所以,食物在健康中扮演的角色,我想这更像是七年前的事了,但我当时完全反对食物在健康中扮演任何角色,这听起来很荒谬,但食物在健康中扮演的角色,人们能够只靠吃肉生存下来,这太令人震惊了,呃,让我想想还有什么,哦,信任医生。我是在医疗系统中长大的,我至少从我大概六岁起就每月去看一次医生,他们在我七岁时发现我患有关节炎,嗯,显然,当我发现食物是我面临的主要问题,以及食物不耐受等等时,我完全对医疗系统失去了信心。所以我不会把所有医生都一概而论,有很多好医生,但大多数情况下,医生比你自己更了解你的身体,政府知道他们在做什么,这种想法在我意识到也许医生并不知道他们在做什么之后就瓦解了,然后也许权威人士也并不真正知道他们在做什么。所以我对政府没有太多的信任,我想你从加拿大的情况就能看出来,我就不细说了,但政府不知道他们在做什么。

然后,这可能更具争议性,但在过去两年里,嗯,我感受到了上帝的存在,这不是我成长过程中有的东西,我也从未是一个完全不相信任何东西的彻底的无神论者,但我现在相信了。所以这些大概是我的前五六个观点。

我还会在下面放一个叫做Timeline的公司的链接,如果你对一种能产生这种影响的补充剂感兴趣的话。Timeline很有趣,因为他们使用一种叫做尿石素A的东西,它能改善所谓的线粒体自噬。线粒体自噬就像线粒体的自噬,很复杂,但这意味着线粒体能够自我回收并变得更强壮,这是基于一些相当可靠的同行评审文献的。他们在JAMA上有研究,在其他期刊上也有研究支持尿石素A的作用。所以我把链接放在下面了。尿石素A是从石榴中提取的,但并非每个人在食用石榴形式时都能利用它。所以尿石素A和Mitopure是一项独特的技术。再说一次,我不希望这个视频给人的最终印象是购买这个补充剂,这个视频的最终印象是我将与你分享的一种生活方式。我只是觉得这是一个值得提及的合适的补充剂,他们也是这个频道的一个很好的赞助商,现在是提及他们的合适时机。所以下面的链接可以让你在购买Mitopure时享受九折优惠,无论你使用他们的乳清蛋白Mitopure,还是他们可以添加到奶昔中的浆果粉,或者他们的胶囊,但我强烈推荐它,如果长寿是你目前关注的焦点,链接在下面的描述中。

好吧,让我们深入了解一下它们。首先是关于食物在健康中不起作用的观点。所以你曾经是那种认为,不,我们都差不多,一体的,我们吃什么并不真正影响我们,这取决于,你知道,某种干预,那是我们唯一能帮助的方式,或者,是的,卡路里。我以前去取我的药物清单,清单底部会写着过敏:无。我以前看着那个,心想,好吧,我病得很重,但谢天谢地我没有任何过敏。所以,就是这样,不管怎样,我只是,我能清楚地记得我看着那个,心想,嗯,我很庆幸我没有任何像胃病或过敏之类的问题。所以这完全改变了。

我以前跟你谈过这个,但我想,我有一种非常自负的想法,我想也是因为去看医生,我妈妈总是在那里说,嘿,她多吃了些橙子,她的脚趾就肿了,这之间会有联系吗?医生们只会嘲笑她,那情况挺糟糕的,就像,啊哈,不,那不是导致关节炎的原因。所以我非常看不起那些说,嗯,你试过改变饮食吗?的人。我觉得当你生病的时候,很多人会来找你说,嗯,睡好点,多锻炼,吃好点,你就会好起来的。而我当时的感觉就像,我快死了,我的关节因为关节炎正在瓦解,你觉得我改变饮食就能起作用吗?你知道在医疗系统里待了15年之后,这有多冒犯人吗?所以我当时极力反对任何饮食上的改变。我,我,我的意思是,当我的皮肤开始受到影响时,我变得绝望了,我开始出现这些像水泡一样的皮疹,非常糟糕,那时候我开始想,好吧,我需要尽一切可能好起来。我开始研究,就在那里我偶然发现了将麸质和乳糜泻与皮疹联系起来的文献,这就是我开始饮食疗法的起因,当时的想法是,好吧,麸质似乎在起作用。在那之后,我就想,嗯,我不妨试试排除饮食法,在开始寻找其他治疗途径之前,确保饮食不是问题所在。

所以,那是七年前,你说。是的,2015年。好的,所以七年,我想是八年半左右以前了。所以那时候,天哪,时间过得真快。你真正意识到,等等,食物可能是这里的答案,是在什么时候?

2015年9月底。所以我开始了一种我现在知道是自身免疫旧石器饮食(Autoimmune Paleo Diet)更严格的版本,坚持了30天,我当时还在服用我所有的药物,除了关节炎的药物,因为我早些时候已经停掉了那些药,以便监测关节炎的反应。坚持严格的自身免疫旧石器饮食30天后,我减掉了三个裤码,我减掉了5磅体重和三个裤码,我当时就是那么臃肿,那体重减得不多,我的脸瘦了下来,我的皮肤也好了。嗯,九月底我试图重新引入食物,我试图重新引入这些香蕉杏仁松饼,它们里面没什么不好的东西,没有鸡蛋,它们是无蛋的,无谷物的,什么都没有,但它们有香蕉和杏仁。嗯,我实际上出现了坚果过敏,所以那是问题的一部分,但我完全不能吃香蕉。嗯,我吃了那些东西几天后,我正走在杂货店里,实际上我那天早上醒来时手腕疼,我就想,哦,我吃了松饼,我重新引入了松饼,我的手腕疼。两天后,我在杂货店里,我的膝盖锁住了,接下来的两天我都因为关节炎疼痛躺在床上。我的关节炎反应从未那么严重过,它们一直存在,但不是突然间我就不能走路了。那是在我重新引入香蕉杏仁松饼之后发生的。从那以后,我就觉得我所有的问题都是食物引起的。

好的,那么进入你改变看法的第二点,是关于全肉饮食的,对吧?那么,你以前的观点是什么?你对肉类完全有不同的看法吗?或者因为七八年前,九年前,人们并没有真正谈论纯肉饮食。我的意思是,有一些边缘的途径在谈论它,但你当时是反肉食者吗?你是素食主义者吗?你当时的观点是什么,以至于不得不发生如此大的转变?

我不认为我需要做那么大的转变。我的意思是,我从未想过你真的能只靠吃肉生存。我一直认为你需要像蔬菜中的维生素那样的东西。所以主要是那个转变。我从未反肉食,比如我爷爷打猎,我一直认为肉是健康食品。我从未尝试过素食。嗯,我16岁时戒掉了猪肉,因为我看了一部电影,让我对猪感到难过,我就想,好吧,我会吃其他肉,但我不会吃猪肉。结果发现猪肉无论如何都让我感觉不舒服。很多猪肉,是的,可能是这个原因,可能是这个原因。所以这并不是一个巨大的转变,但我的意思是,发现当我开始全肉饮食后,我的维生素都得到了补充,这确实相当令人震惊。我以前缺乏很多B族维生素,它们都升高了。我就想,哦,我的血液检查,我的血液检查从我还是个孩子的时候就奇怪地缺乏营养,比如维生素D一直很低,我的锌也一直很低,只吃肉我的锌就恢复了。所以很多在自身免疫旧石器饮食中仍然缺乏的维生素,在吃肉后都恢复了,这绝对是令人震惊的,对我的整个家庭来说都是如此,尤其是持续了这么长时间。因为最初我们是想把它作为一种排除饮食来尝试,然后我们无法重新引入任何东西而不会引起自身免疫发作。所以,是的,那确实有点令人震惊。

那对你来说真是大开眼界,是的。所以没有任何迹象表明你会回头,我的意思是,你对肉食完全没问题,还是你认为将来某个时候你会说,嘿,我想再尝试一些东西,或者你感觉非常好,所以根本不用费心?

不,我确实认为有些我还没弄明白的东西在困扰我。我一直想,嗯,也许是肠道问题,也许是某种菌群失调,也许是我,也许是病毒问题。所以最近,嗯,我想是因为接触了霉菌,我正在努力治疗由此造成的损害。嗯,我们家在多伦多的地下室,我是在那里长大的,地下室有一个我们好几年都没发现的漏水点,墙板后面全是黑霉。所以我想那可能也是原因之一,因为我搬到佛罗里达后,即使我的饮食保持不变,再次接触霉菌时,我的一些症状又复发了。所以这是我正在研究的理论。我确实认为,如果你已经痊愈了,你应该能够做到像狮子饮食那样,只吃肉,然后慢慢地重新引入食物,找出困扰你的东西,你应该能够训练你的肠道再次耐受那些食物。所以使用益生菌和类似GAPS饮食的重新引入方法。我想如果你做不到这一点,那就有问题了。如果不是你的饮食问题,那可能就是你的环境问题。嗯,但这里有太多因素了,即使是检测肠道菌群失调,比如你可以做粪便测试之类的,它们也不是很准确,很难掌握情况。所以,嗯,不,我的计划是找出如何重新加入食物,但我已经坚持了六年了,还没弄明白。我仍然认为我会的,我非常乐观。

当然,而且我的意思是,越来越多的东西被发现,有时很难找到它,因为它在网上会被人取笑,你知道,就像任何属于那个范畴的东西,就好像,好吧,如果它不是主流的,比如“热量摄入等于热量消耗”,我们就不太想听。但它确实存在,如果你真的花时间,并且有纪律和勤奋地去PubMed上查找最新的研究成果,你可以在PubMed上做简单的搜索,PubMed有一个非常棒的搜索界面,你会发现这些东西正在被发表出来,你只需要在这方面做自己的主张。

说到做自己的主张,好吧,第三点是关于医生的,对吧?

是的,是的。我现在好多了,但当我23岁开始节食,自身免疫症状消失后,我变得非常生气,情况实际上变得相当糟糕,比如我开始在去医院时出现恐慌发作,嗯,这并不理想,那不是一个好的反应,但我做过太多手术了,嗯,我在医疗系统里待了太长时间,以至于我对它产生了创伤,并且很生气,因为我的髋关节和踝关节都置换了,那是无法挽回的。我就想,嗯,如果当初有人告诉我排除所有这些食物,那么我就能保住我的髋关节和踝关节了。所以我对此显然很不高兴,而且我对医生非常生气。嗯,外科医生不在此列,我不生外科医生的气,我认为他们非常有用,但是那些治疗慢性病并且拒绝关注生活方式的医生,我就想,你知道你告诉他们,哦,我们搞定了,你绝对无能为力,这是你需要的药,这会伤害多少人吗?即使这些治疗慢性病的药物根本不起作用,比如我被诊断出患有幼年型类风湿关节炎,他们告诉我父母,病情严重到她可能需要置换多个关节,并且可能早逝,但这是可能有点帮助的药物。他们为这些慢性病患者编造这些虚假的故事,让他们相信他们唯一的希望就是医生,同时他们嘲笑所有这些替代疗法,这太可怕了。当你去看医生,告诉他们你有多痛苦时,你处于一个非常脆弱的境地。所以显然,我对此仍然有点激动。所以医生们,我认为他们很危险,他们也是第三大死因,医生的失误,人们不谈论这个,他们会说,哦,去看医生,那样更安全。统计上来说,并非如此,那不是我编造的数据。

是的,就像,我的意思是,你认为这仅仅是一种短视的观点吗?比如很难跳出固有的思维模式,或者也许有压力阻止他们跳出固有的思维模式?比如有一个如此庞大的系统和流程,如果你作为一个医生跳出那个框框思考,你认为他们会受到很多同行的压力吗?他们会说,嘿,也许他们实际上是这么想的,他们确实想谈论饮食,他们确实想更多地谈论生活方式,因为他们知道这些东西很重要,但是他们的科学同行会施加压力,让他们不要真正谈论这些。所以这几乎变成了一种,好吧,不听邪恶,不看邪恶,不说邪恶的事情。

当然,是的,但作为一名医生,我认为你有道义上的责任不去相信那些,即使你受到了压力。我的意思是,我的播客上有很多很棒的医生,比如克里斯·帕尔默,他很棒,还有卡恩医生,很多长寿领域的医生,他们,并非所有医生都属于那个范畴。但我认为,如果你去医学院,而且医学院那么难进,所以你知道自己是一个非常聪明的人才能进去,然后你毕业了,经历了多年的培训,然后也许你专攻某个领域,又经历了多年的培训,我认为这会让你相信自己无所不知,而且你肯定比你的病人更懂。所以你不需要听他们说什么。所以我认为,进入医学院而不变得相当自恋是很难的。现在,就像我说的,并非所有医生都属于那个评价范畴,但是,我想很多权威人士都属于那个范畴,这是多年培训和被告知他们是最好的结果,恕我直言。

但我想,幸运的是,不幸的是,随着社交媒体的出现,越来越多的医生开始跳出固有思维模式,因为他们意识到,等等,如果我跳出固有思维模式,我可以通过引起争议来获得关注,这可能不是他们的初衷,他们这样做并非为了引起争议,但他们会说,也许有些人是这样,我确定,我确定总有那样的人,但有很多人在想,等等,不,如果我真的想帮助别人,那么肯定,而且随着更多健康理念的出现,他们意识到,并非所有事情都是一成不变的,必须有一个实际的生活方式来配合。我看到,幸运的是,至少来我频道的医生都是那种,嘿,我对这个有不同的看法,我不知道,你知道凯尔·吉列医生吗?不,他一年前左右上过胡伯曼的节目,我也请他上过几次我的频道,然后最终我 буквально 聘请他做了我的医生,因为我就觉得这太棒了。所以他经营着一种类似私人定制的诊所。哦,那太酷了。他这么说不仅仅因为他是我的医生,而是我觉得他是西医和生活方式的完美结合。我也,我并非真的反医学,比如抗生素,它们伤害人,但也拯救人的生命,手术拯救人的生命,有些药物也拯救人的生命。是那些把你当病人一样敷衍,并且不考虑其他因素的特定医生,是那些家伙。不幸的是,至少在五年前,因为我已经不怎么看医生了,我遇到的所有医生都是那样的。嗯,但我的频道上有很多很棒的医生,理想情况下,如果你读了医学院,我不认为你读了医学院就会变成自恋狂,你可以读了医学院,成为一个才华横溢的人,想出帮助别人的办法,并且能够利用你所学的一切,做更多的研究,帮助成千上万的人。那些是很棒的医生。如果你能找到那样一个医生,那太棒了。但我认为普通人应该知道,你应该货比三家地看医生,是的,不要只去一个你听说最好的医生那里,然后就相信他们的话。货比三家地看医生,多听取一些意见,这样你才能找到一个好的。找一个愿意花时间的医生,对吧?因为我的意思是,我曾在医疗保健行业工作多年,那是我的工作,它是一个系统,它被精简了,它的设计是为了提高效率,并不总是为了病人的治疗效果,对吧?我想我们越来越看到,按服务收费的模式有点不幸,人们负担不起,但按服务收费的模式是为病人治疗效果而设计的,因为如果没有效果,病人就不会再付钱给医生了,对吧?所以有点像那些私人定制的途径,按服务收费的途径改变了一些医生的游戏规则,比如,嘿,我可以花45分钟和你交流,而不是像麦当劳式的流水线作业,只是尽可能快地让病人进出。嗯,我记得以前,当我们真正开始精简医疗保健的时候,大概是《平价医疗法案》刚开始实施的时候,那时候对医生来说非常困难,因为他们在报销金额上受到了更大的挤压,并且被要求看更多的病人。我理解为什么会制定那样的规定,但这让医生们非常为难,因为他们,即使在一个本已有些奇怪的环境中,他们可能已经,或者我应该说,在一个本已奇怪的环境中,已经存在着要求他们以某种方式看待事物,或者不关注生活方式,不关注饮食的压力,现在又在此之上,他们要看两倍甚至三倍的病人量。我的意思是,把这些因素叠加起来,你怎么能期望得到高质量的结果呢?

我想说的是,给医生一些肯定,我的经验来自加拿大,但面对大量慢性病患者涌入,而又不太清楚问题所在,这一定很难。因为现在患有自身免疫性疾病、精神疾病或肥胖症的人数多得惊人。我知道,因为我以前也不理解生活方式对健康的影响,就像我说过的,我以前是那种不相信睡眠、饮食、锻炼等任何东西起作用的人,我基本上只相信卡路里。所以我经历过那个阶段。只是不幸的是,如果你拒绝倾听,因为我觉得如果你注意观察,你就能发现还有其他因素在起作用,而这些因素会永远影响人们的生活。

当然,是的。好吧,那么接下来是第四点,关于对政府的信任,这在网上很难谈论,对吧?

我想,简单来说,当我对医生失去信心时,我基本上也对所有权威人士失去了信心,这并不理想,因为它蔓延到了所有事情上。我对医疗系统非常愤怒,以至于任何试图对我施加权力或权威的人,我都会想,你知道什么?是的,你是不是也在骗我?然后我在多伦多,简单来说,我搬离了加拿大,因为那里情况变得可怕,人们压力很大,主要问题来自政府和税收问题,他们拿走了你所有的钱。所以我想这与我对权威人士的看法是一致的,而这种看法源于我从医生那里,从我的医疗经历中受到的创伤。所以政府就是这么回事,而且他们也只是普通人,他们懂得不多,这很吓人。

我们每天都以同样的方式穿裤子,对吧?我注意到自从有了孩子,你可能也注意到了,当你意识到,这真的让你明白,我们都是人,我们都,我们每天都以同样的方式穿裤子,我们都有自己的小烦恼,我们都可能被自己个人生活中的事件完全打乱,而这些事件直接影响我们如何工作,权威人士也不例外,他们仍然是人,仍然会受到自己个人生活中灾难性问题的影响,这如何决定或改变他们看待世界的视角?这可能是政策,可能是任何事情。我对很多事情都有类似的感悟,就像,好吧,我比任何人都更了解我自己,我至少可以为自己辩护,给我一个为自己辩护的机会,无论是在健康方面,还是在学术方面,无论什么,我了解我自己。我想,再次强调,有了孩子让我意识到,好吧,我儿子对事物有自己的看法,我不需要强加我的看法给他,我需要鼓励他发展自己的看法,并作为一个独立的个体去坚持它。嗯,你知道,在一定范围内,他六岁了,你知道,但重点是,我不知道,这很难描述,但你真的开始意识到,嘿,好吧,我们都有自己的观点,有时那个观点只是更强大,那有时会有点吓人。

是的,当然,那是我的经历,老实说,我想我做得有点过火了,任何身居高位的人,我都会觉得他们不可信,这不完全准确,但这绝对源于我对医疗系统的经历。

那么第五个是什么来着?上帝。啊,这会是个有趣的话题。好吧,那么,情况是如何转变的呢?

嗯,我长大的时候,我不是无神论者,但我不相信上帝,我有点像不可知论者,比如,也许,嗯,我愿意相信,那似乎很方便,相信上帝的人似乎有一种我不理解的平静,但我不相信。然后我想,随着爸爸出名,发生了很多非常痛苦的事情,老实说,我的生活一直很艰难。嗯,直到我开始遇到其他人,然后才意识到,哦,很长一段时间以来,情况都相当糟糕。然后我妈妈得了一种非常罕见的癌症,集合管癌,那种癌症,人们通常在8个月内死亡,而且基本上无法治愈。她经历了一段奇怪的经历,她做了手术,然后出现了手术并发症,差点因此丧命,他们无法解决问题。她在医院里,靠着吗啡,告诉我们,她说,我会在我和你爸爸的结婚纪念日那天好起来的,那大概是一个月前的事了。我们就想,好吧,你怎么知道的?这看起来对你不太好啊,你怎么知道的?她说,上帝。她从来都不是,我们家有信教的亲戚和祖父母,但她不信教。她在医院的时候开始祈祷之类的。那个手术并发症,我们没法解决,她飞到美国,他们也解决不了,结果在他们的结婚纪念日那天自己好了。所以那件事发生了,我就想,我真的不知道该怎么解释,那对我来说太复杂了,我无法用逻辑想明白。因为通常我可以解释说,嗯,也许这些都是巧合,但那真是太巧了。所以那件事发生了。然后我遇到了我的丈夫,他从小就是基督徒。我当时处境相当艰难,我正处于离婚的中间阶段,嗯,应该说离婚快结束了,但情况不太好。我爸爸当时病得还很重。我压力非常非常大。他问我,你怎么样?我说,嗯,我没有抑郁,但我感觉不太好。他说,哦,你应该请求上帝向你显现他自己,你以前做过吗?我说,没有。所以我那天晚上祈祷了,而且是真诚地恳求,如果真的有谁在,请显现给我看。第二天,在一个相当有压力的情况下,我感受到了一种前所未有的平静。我生活中的很多方面也突然转向了,你知道当事情进展不顺利,然后突然之间又走上正轨的感觉吗?嗯,我生活中的四个方面在一天之内都发生了这样的转变。嗯,其中一个是我爸爸给我发信息,因为他有一段时间没有遵守饮食规定,病得很重,他给我发信息说他又开始遵守饮食规定了,大概过了两个半星期,他感觉好多了。所以那是一个巨大的安慰。嗯,还有一些与离婚有关的事情也发生了转变。另外两个我记不清了,好像与工作有关。但这些足以让我觉得,好吧,我豁出去了。嗯,从那以后,老实说,我的生活轻松了很多。我以前是那种,不是自吹自擂,但我是一个相当有能力的人,我解决了自己的自身免疫问题,还帮助建立了爸爸的品牌,通过社交媒体赚钱之类的。我以前很习惯自己解决问题。所以每当出现问题时,我都会想,我能解决它,我只需要更努力。有时需要很长时间,但我只需要更努力,更努力,再更努力。从那以后,我就能够相信,当问题出现时,我不需要那么努力去解决它,上帝会指引我,事情会自然而然地顺利解决。如果我正在受苦,比如我住在一个发霉的房子里,病得很重,我的一些自身免疫症状又复发了,我就想,我只吃羊肉和盐,饶了我吧,我还能做什么呢?但我没有那么焦虑了,因为我知道这只是暂时的,我会解决它的。当我度过这个难关后,它会让我学到一些我需要学习的东西,之后我会变得更好。所以现在我对生活中的困难时期有了这样的看法,而不是像以前那样,当坏事发生时,你会想,这会结束吗?这就是我的人生吗?所以这对我来说非常有,非常有帮助。嗯,我以前不相信这些,一定是什么东西开启了我的心智。我看到我妈妈,我就想,嗯,这对你来说有用,但我不太明白。

是的,是的,这也是你以前没有的一个视角,你知道,你拥有了这个视角,再加上你过去的经历,这些经历赋予了你深度,让事情变得更像是,你知道,地形图。当你看着一张地形图时,你可以看到,而不是一张没有任何地形信息的二维地图,现在你可以看到,好吧,当这种情况发生时,我知道我可以度过难关。无论你是否有信仰,拥有像你这样的经历,你都会看到模式。完全正确。你看到这些起起落落,你在饮食方面经历过这些,我在我的身体方面也经历过类似的事情,对吧?比如我曾经与肥胖作斗争了一段时间,你知道,有些事情会发生,比如我以前超重时的感觉,偶尔我现在也会有那种感觉,很难不回到那个黑暗的地方,比如,又发生了,又发生了,我又会变成那个人了。你意识到,不,你开始认识到模式,这些来来去去。即使是心理上的东西,对吧?以及精神上的问题,你意识到有时会有这些起伏或抑郁期,一旦你有了那个视角,和/或有了信仰,你就可以看着它说,不是说陈词滥调,但这也会过去的,度过这个难关,对吧?这只是一种模式,它会改变的。拥有那种能力,能够退后一步,某种程度上放手,你,再次强调,冒着听起来很宗教化的风险,你知道,赐予我宁静去改变那些,或者你知道,去接受那些我无法改变的事情,这对于任何一个成熟的成年人的生活来说都是一个非常非常重要的部分,无论他们是想把它看作宗教、信仰,还是仅仅是他们的经历。当你真正接受这一点时,那真是一股巨大的清新空气。

那也是变老,经历困难时期并度过难关的比较好的一点,就像你说的,你开始对自己更有信心了,比如,哦,我度过了那个难关,所以我也可以度过这个。是的,如果你的生活很艰难,那么你就会经历更多这样的事情,但理想情况下,也许你会对自己更有信心。生活不只是把你打倒。嗯,是的,发现规律对我也有帮助。

我想所有这些事情,有点意思,就像你说的所有这五件事,都归结到一个核心点上,对吧?就像你掌控了一切。嗯,真的,你说的每一件事,说到模式,这就是我看到的共同点。这不是什么小规模的,比如,好吧,医生,政府,诸如此类的。不,你承担了责任,你掌控了一切,你就好像,你知道吗,并不是说,嘿,你是个医生所以你是个问题,而是,你知道吗,你真棒,我要做我自己,我要掌控一切,承担责任。你谈论的所有五件事,都是类似的事情,这,这有点好笑,就像你和人们交谈,然后意识到这些共同的主题,而那,似乎就是你感觉更好的秘诀。

是的,嗯,这很有趣。所以在2015年,当我第一次,我决定要好起来的时候,我从未决定过要好起来,因为我一直被告知我好不了。所以这对我来说从来都不是一个选项。就好像,嗯,我有 관절염,我有抑郁症,这就是我,我无能为力,所以我才吃药。所以我从未想过,我要努力好起来,因为那不是一个选项。但后来我病得更重了,我长了这种皮疹,像水泡一样的皮疹,我就想,嗯,我好像越来越糟了,我不只是,一直生病,我病得更重了。嗯,那是2015年1月,我当时在化妆,实际上是2014年12月,我当时在化妆学校,我不知道我为什么决定去化妆学校,我现在化妆了,所以我想还是有用的。但我手腕疼得厉害,我就想,我想我快要做手腕置换手术了,这并非遥不可及,因为我的髋关节和踝关节都置换了。那真的很困扰我。我就想,我当化妆师到底在做什么?就在那个月,我就想,我要治好我自己。我,无论如何,我想我转变了,因为我病得太重了,我就想,如果我不好起来,我就会死。我有一些患有自身免疫性疾病的亲戚,他们在30岁之前就因为自身免疫性疾病去世了。我就想,我想我也是那样的人,我想如果我不治好我自己,我就会死。我脑子里真的发生了转变。我回到学校,我学了生物医学,我回到学校,就想,也许我需要一个免疫学的博士学位,我需要弄清楚到底发生了什么,我需要弄清楚我的药是怎么起作用的,我需要弄清楚是什么让我生病。然后我就把所有时间都花在研究上,试图弄清楚是什么让我生病。那是,大概是12月、1月,直到9月份,我才让自己进入缓解期,而我从两岁起就有关节炎和这些问题。一旦我意识到,我需要治好这个,否则我就会死,其实并没有花很长时间。所以这是一个思想上的转变。只是不幸的是,我花了这么长时间。我当时也不算太老,我想我23岁,但仍然,如果能早点意识到就好了,也许在髋关节和踝关节置换之前。但这绝对是一个思想上的转变,让我敞开心扉,接受了康复的可能性。

当然,我的意思是,生活中的干扰因素,难道不是很疯狂吗?它们可能是阻止我们真正与自己接触,并理解正在发生的事情的原因。比如,在生物学上,你知道,两三百年前,我们会独自一人待很长时间,以至于你会更快地认识到模式和问题。如果你因为意识到吃乳制品感觉不舒服而戒掉乳制品,你不会被认为是彻头彻尾的怪人。你不会被嘲笑,你可能会被看作是,哦,哇,那个人很聪明,他们弄清楚了什么。但是我们理解作为人类,作为生物个体,什么会影响我们,以及我们身体感觉如何,所花费的时间呈指数级增长,因为生活中的干扰因素太多了。这,这太有趣了,因为如果你深入到核心,比如,嘿,如果我真的了解我自己,我知道什么对我最好,我会做出那些决定,没有人能告诉我别的,这很简单,但我不知道,这很难描述,但你只是被掩盖了,只是花了更长的时间。你直到20多岁才意识到这一点,而其他人可能要到60多岁才意识到。我不想说,你知道,当为时已晚的时候,他们才开始,有时确实为时已晚,对吧?你无法开始理解你的身体是如何运作的,什么在影响你的身体,什么在心理上、身体上、消化上影响你,直到为时已晚,那可能很危险。

是的,这也是我建议人们进行排除饮食法的原因之一,即使只是短期的。因为有很多因素会影响你的感觉。我想尤其是正在服药的人,他们的直觉是模糊的,所以很难判断自己的感觉。比如我开始节食前一直都很臃肿,我并不知道自己臃肿,我一辈子都臃肿,我甚至不知道那是什么感觉。我忽略了所有这些不同的疼痛和不适,因为我有 관절炎,所以我感觉不到它们,我只是觉得,忽略痛苦和折磨,继续生活。嗯,但通过排除饮食法,我认为它可以帮助你彻底清除一些东西,这样你就可以重新引入食物,并开始再次关注自己的身体,这非常重要。我的意思是,对我来说,饮食是第一个开始的地方,它是最重要的组成部分,当然还有其他组成部分,但饮食只是,这是一件人们可以做到的简单的事情,这并不容易,戒掉食物很难,但我认为这足够简单。

我想人们在短时间禁食的时候会感觉到这一点,对吧?就像你找一个从未禁食过,从未做过排除饮食法的人,让他们禁食48小时,他们会说,哦,天哪,我感觉好极了!嗯,就像,好吧,现在你感觉到在没有所有这些系统和过程(无论它们是在参与、不参与还是与你吃的任何东西冲突)干扰你的判断力的情况下是什么感觉了,对吧?不是说每个人都应该永远禁食,但重点是,这对人们来说是一个清醒的时刻,这也是人们出于宗教目的禁食的原因,就像所有的噪音都被消除了,对吧?在他们的情况下,你变得更接近上帝,对吧?所以你变得更接近上帝,或者你变得更接近大地,或者你变得更接近你自己。所以我们可以继续谈论这方面的身体益处,但归根结底,比如对我个人而言,禁食对我来说是一种精神和心理上的事情,我感觉清晰,并且我感觉到,呼应我们一直在谈论的,掌控感。

有趣的是,我父亲建议我禁食,因为他读过一些研究,说自身免疫性疾病的症状似乎会在人们禁食时减轻。这是在肉食饮食很久以前的事了,嗯,因为现在我从肉食饮食中获得了同样的好处。但我上大学的时候尝试过禁食,那时我吃的都是些非常美味但糟糕的食物,而且我还在吃很多药。我试过禁食,我想我坚持到下午4点就觉得快要晕倒了。那太疯狂了,我做不到。我就觉得,我感觉更糟了,这对我完全没用。然后一旦我戒掉了食物和所有东西,禁食就变得很容易了,比如我可以很容易地一天只吃一顿饭,我可以连续禁食好几天。我现在不经常这样做了,以前经常。而且那相当容易,就像,哦,这完全不一样了。我以前吃碳水化合物的时候觉得自己快要死了。

好笑吧?太疯狂了,对吧?是的,可能也和药物有关。是的,因为人们在禁食时确实会有血清素能效应,还有多巴胺能效应。所以你基本上,这太棒了,你把自己带回了基线,对吧?就像,有证据支持这一点,比如,如果你有渴望,那么禁食可能是一个很好的方法来快速抑制它们。但再说一次,并非每个人都能做到。当你刚从某种高碳水化合物饮食中转变过来,你从未给过自己任何不吃东西的休息时间,对吧?你只是不断地轰炸你的身体,然后突然之间,这对你的系统来说是一个巨大的冲击。而对你来说,现在你已经成功了一半,你知道,你已经在产生酮体了,你已经,所以整个灰色地带,过渡地带,完全消失了。

是的。呃,好吧,对于那些想改变饮食的人,你有什么临别赠言吗?比如,嘿,我正在努力改变,你认为一个人能做的最大的生活方式改变是什么?他们能撬动的最大杠杆是什么?

我想如果你能改变你的信仰体系,相信,恕我直言,你有能力改变你的生活,我认为那是最重要的事情。人们远比他们被引导相信的要强大得多。比如我之所以对医生生气,部分原因是我认为坏医生会剥夺那种力量,他们会说你无法控制,你对此无能为力。所以,我主要从心理学的角度告诉人们的是,你有能力改变你的生活,创造一个美好的生活。你可以从慢性病患者变成健康的人。你需要做大量的研究,这很难,总会有一个过渡期,这很可怕,很孤立,但你可以挺过去,没有什么比生病更糟糕的了。所以,你一定能行,你只需要改变你的想法,决定,嘿,我要好起来,那是我的目标,然后去做。

我喜欢这个。好吧,米凯拉,大家在哪里可以找到你?

我在Instagram上,账号是Michaela Peterson。我在YouTube上,我的主要播客是,嗯,我的Michaela Peterson播客在Spotify和所有平台上都有。嗯,然后关于狮子饮食的信息,主要是针对慢性病患者的,在liondiet.com上。那里有大量免费信息,所有东西都是免费的。嗯,有很多食谱,如何开始。然后如果人们接触过环境毒素,我也有。

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